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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday June 25 2017, @10:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the wrong-thinking-will-be-punished dept.

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

In a coordinated campaign across 14 states, the German police on Tuesday raided the homes of 36 people accused of hateful postings over social media, including threats, coercion and incitement to racism.

Most of the raids concerned politically motivated right-wing incitement, according to the Federal Criminal Police Office, whose officers conducted home searches and interrogations. But the raids also targeted two people accused of left-wing extremist content, as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation.

"The still high incidence of punishable hate posting shows a need for police action," Holger Münch, president of the Federal Criminal Police Office, said in a statement. "Our free society must not allow a climate of fear, threat, criminal violence and violence either on the street or on the internet."

The raids come as Germans are debating the draft of a new social media law aimed at cracking down on hate speech, a measure that an array of experts said was unconstitutional at a parliamentary hearing on Monday.

The measure, championed by Justice Minister Heiko Maas for passage this month, would fine Facebook, Twitter and other outlets up to $53 million (50 million euros) if they failed to remove hate speech and other forms of illegal content.

The left ladies and gentlemen.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:25PM (58 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:25PM (#530986)

    it's funny, i always associated him with authoritarian leanings, which would be the right, and that the article seemed about authoratative action via the government of Germany.

    It's always been the left that pushes the bounds of free speech, of censorship, of even what it is to be decent. The right would be polite with their abuse, but the left was brash, shock jock type of person.

    Like the simplistic views in the movie Demolition Man -- the narrow minded has a perfect view of society that all of these weeds ruin, and Dennis Leary as the antagonist of the local right wing government was a guy practically running on weed if not taco bell.

    The left would not clamp down on free speech -- special interest groups do that. And both sides have their special interest groups.

    Blaming this on "the left" is a mentally easy way to avoid looking too hard at the problems in Germany (or here for that matter).

    I've never known the liberal media, with their gay agenda, to knock down the doors of conservatives and demand that they speak up for their rights or they'd go to jail. No, it's quite the opposite, with weird one-issue voters shooting abortion clinic doctors for allowing women to mind their own business with their bodies. one issue voters are frequently special interest group specific, but that type is never The Left.

    cripes my girlfriends father practically had a stroke because her little sister was friends on FB with a girl that came out as lesbian, and he posted this huge rant about how she'd burn in hell and all that stuff and -- for what? being part of the left? not wanting to get married in the catholic church like he was told to do and it's not fair? that she'd become a terrorist bride because muslims condone group lesbian orgies with blue star tatoos?

    but i don't blame it on the right. I blame it on him--for not even being willing to understand differences. I fault MB the same way.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:32PM (48 children)

    If you think curtailing free speech is a thing of the right, you've no a clue in your precious little head. Look around at the left attempting to shut down speech they dislike every single day. Have a red pill before you speak again, please.

    --
    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:39PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:39PM (#530993)

      Have your own red pill: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/cancel-sarsour-the-hilarious-hypocrisy-of-the-alt-right/19879 [spiked-online.com]

      PS: Does nobody realize the Matrix stole that fucking pill from total recall where it's poison meant to kill you?

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @12:01AM (3 children)

        Yes, your one example is in total parity with the hundreds of examples from the left. Every ideology must be perfect except yours, eh?

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:17AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:17AM (#531016)

          So you expect me to do the legwork for you and dig up more ample examples?
          I have to admit though, I wish I had your telepathic gift of being able to deduct someone's "ideology" from a single off-hand post like that. Must come in real handy.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @12:33AM (1 child)

            No ideology has a perfect followership unless nobody actually holds it. Humans are one and all imperfect.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:41AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:41AM (#531034)

              I agree with you on that.

      • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:28AM (#531022)

        "Red Pill" is a back-formation from "red pillar", which refers to a certain male appendage that has been, um, abused to the point it bleeds. Makes for Sad Puppies, and misogyny. Thus, these types are called, "Red Pillars". Seems like they want to speak about something.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @07:11AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @07:11AM (#531167)

        Except what you are seeing is Alt-Right psyops. Using the successful tactics of the Crazy-left against them.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:50PM (33 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:50PM (#530999) Journal

      Oh please... Left/right... show me any real difference. Authoritarians are authoritarians. This whole left/right bullshit is nothing but a distraction, but that does not diminish its effectiveness amongst the plebs obviously.

      --
      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @12:02AM (32 children)

        Scope. Currently the ideology of the left is pushing damned hard for censorship of all sorts. The right isn't. They have entirely different things that make them cocksuckers.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @03:05AM (13 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @03:05AM (#531080) Journal

          Currently the ideology of the left is pushing damned hard for censorship of all sorts. The right isn't.

          Oh, the absolutes. Retract? [soylentnews.org]

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 26 2017, @04:57AM (5 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 26 2017, @04:57AM (#531130) Journal

            Don't bother. Uzzard is another useful idiot for the authoritarians, precisely because he's deluded himself into thinking his personal disagreeableness (and no doubt terrible hygiene) is the same thing as actually Stickin' It To The Man (TM). Fact is, he's got his head so far up his own ass he's become a walking Klein Bottle.

            --
            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @05:51AM (4 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @05:51AM (#531144) Journal

              (and no doubt terrible hygiene)

              Chill, mate, that didn't add anything to the discussion and you aren't going to convince me using negative imagery about a person.
              Just ask our philosopher-on-duty about the philosophical stature and personal hygiene habits of a friend of his, Diogenes (well, I bet aristarchus will deny he was ever friends with Diogenes and invoke something like the non-overlapping life spans; I have a hunch is more about embarrassment, though. Large grin - a cynical one, to be precise).

              On the other side, most of the authoritarians I met over my life were impeccable dressed (with the notable exception of my father).

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              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 26 2017, @06:12AM (3 children)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 26 2017, @06:12AM (#531152) Journal

                I dunno, a guy who spends several hours a day with his beaky schnozz up a dead water buffalo's decomposing rectum probably isn't gonna smell all that good...

                --
                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @06:34AM (2 children)

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @06:34AM (#531160) Journal

                  Which is in no relation whatsoever with the authoritarian trait of his character (I won't deny it, he might though) or his chances to be wrong or correct in any given situation.

                  (character assassination is irrelevant and, IMHO, a worse waste of time than posting on SN).

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                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 26 2017, @08:06AM (1 child)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 26 2017, @08:06AM (#531188) Journal

                    That, dear c0lo, presupposes that there is a character to assassinate.

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @08:20AM

                      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @08:20AM (#531194) Journal

                      :)
                      Even a bad character is a character - heck, even char(0) is still a character.
                      And TMB is quite a peculiar one.

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                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:20AM (6 children)

            Generalities not absolutes. Learn your rhetoric.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @11:22AM (5 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @11:22AM (#531259) Journal

              (mmm... on top of the other qualities, pedantic and unrepentant. Good to know)

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              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:06AM (4 children)

                pedantic and unrepentant

                Yeah, that's fair. Trivialities do annoy me a bit and if you believe in your position you've no reason to repent it.

                --
                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:52AM (3 children)

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:52AM (#531862) Journal

                  Yes, being wrong in an instance is trivial, indeed.
                  It's in the human nature, why fight it?

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                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:57AM (2 children)

                    Indeed, so repent already. I'll sit over here happily correct and unrepentant.

                    --
                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:23PM (1 child)

                      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:23PM (#531877) Journal

                      You clearly are in a good mood today.
                      Me, at the end of the day and in bed already, I'm too tired to repent; would you be a sport and repent for me today? Ta.

                      --
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday June 26 2017, @04:14AM (16 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday June 26 2017, @04:14AM (#531106) Journal

          So, groups like the ACLU or People for the American Way are 'right wing'? And all those religious wackos that want to censor books for 'profanity' are 'left wing'? What about present day prohibitionists? Left or right? I'm just trying to get my bearings here. It seems like everything reversed itself over the last fifty years. Were all the hippies really 'right wing' too?

          --
          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @04:36AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @04:36AM (#531115)

            This is all they have left, they found themselves loyal and deeply embedded in the conservative train wreck. So they do what they do best, claim the high road and project their own group's issues on to "the left". Can we all just agree that both political parties are corrupted beyond redemption? Which side is more evil is a dumb game to play, let's stick to the constitution and move forward from there.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:22AM (13 children)

            Darlin, even the ACLU is speaking out against the left nowadays.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday June 26 2017, @01:11PM (12 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday June 26 2017, @01:11PM (#531288) Journal

              Well, by your definition, they have been since they were formed. Funny that still no one has been able to distinguish left wing authoritarianism from right wing authoritarianism. If you could be so kind, it would be most helpful

              --
              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:04AM (11 children)

                Eh, it'd end up being a tl;dr post if I went into any depth. I'll give you a couple examples instead. The left currently wants to gut the first and second amendments while he right wants to gut the fourth and fifth.

                --
                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:05PM (10 children)

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:05PM (#532124) Journal

                  So, basically they are defined by their target, and not their character? Well, okay, I didn't know the bill of rights could be divided up that way. I'll try to work with that, but I doubt I will get anywhere.

                  --
                  La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:06AM (9 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:06AM (#532238) Homepage Journal

                    If you're going for simplicity, yes. It's not feasible to separate everyone out by their individual and widely varying beliefs for a short debate. So, you separate them out by their actions instead of their words, which is a more telling metric anyway.

                    --
                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 28 2017, @03:31AM (8 children)

                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @03:31AM (#532266) Journal

                      But again, the actions are the same, only the targets differ. This like arguing the difference between terrorists and 'freedom fighters'. The only difference there being where the gun are pointed. And as far as the targets you mentioned, why is one more valuable than the other?

                      --
                      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 28 2017, @09:35AM (7 children)

                        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 28 2017, @09:35AM (#532343) Homepage Journal

                        I never said one was more valuable than another. They're simply different conversations.

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                        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 28 2017, @01:02PM (6 children)

                          by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @01:02PM (#532408) Journal

                          And it's still not differentiating 'left' from 'right'. They are still irrelevant to any conversation, aside from their diversionary value for somebody who has no argument, or is simply biased in some fashion. The goals of authoritarianism has no bias of this kind. Power seeking is a pathological problem, not political. The most basic motivations for such are the same for everybody. It's a function of the brain stem, not the cortex.

                          --
                          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 29 2017, @02:06AM (5 children)

                            They're relevant in the same way that any generalization is relevant, as a means of being able to address the part of a Venn diagram that share the characteristics you wish to address.

                            --
                            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 29 2017, @08:49PM (4 children)

                              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday June 29 2017, @08:49PM (#533089) Journal

                              There is authoritarian and libertarian/anarchism. Which one is 'left', and which one is 'right'? Why, for example, is China 'left' and your average Central/South American tin pot is 'right'? To me there just is no difference. All the so-called left wingers (liberals) become right wingers (conservatives) when they get and want to keep their power.

                              --
                              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday June 30 2017, @12:09AM (3 children)

                                Sigh, you're deliberately misunderstanding. Authoritarianism is not a left-right trait && the left in the US has gone extremely authoritarian of late. The two statements are not in conflict in any way.

                                --
                                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 30 2017, @01:54AM (2 children)

                                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 30 2017, @01:54AM (#533215) Journal

                                  What is this 'left' you are talking about? What makes them 'left'? I'm still not getting an answer, other than the targets, which makes no sense. It should be determined by the motivations (the basic animal ones, not the superficial social propaganda) and their ultimate goal, not their methods. To me these are just people out to discredit the civil rights movement with propaganda, a conservative bunch indeed, same as the birthers (birchers?). It appears they are succeeding with the catchall 'political correctness' shtick. None of that makes it 'left' by any stretch of the meaning. The real 'left' doesn't get any press anymore, much less positive press. The real 'left' consists of groups like the ACLU, the Innocence Project, people fighting against systemic racism (yes that still exists in the US, especially in the prison system), prohibition, eminent domain, the wars, the robber barons that run the banks and steal our pensions, etc, not the whiny college punks making the headlines these days. They are more like paid agitators and designated distractions. Nothing to do with 'left'. You need a better word to describe them.

                                  --
                                  La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday June 30 2017, @02:55AM (1 child)

                                    people fighting against systemic racism (yes that still exists in the US, especially in the prison system)

                                    No. Proper liberals fight for equality not special rights for "the oppressed". And systemic racism has never existed in the US. Nor anywhere else. It is a socialist bullshit term made up to justify seeking equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity and to further entrench identity politics.

                                    ...the robber barons that run the banks and steal our pensions...

                                    If they're actually breaking laws, prosecute them. If they're not, STFU. It's the fault of the people who voted in a government that it is corrupt and sells laws and favors not the fault of businesses that take advantage of such. It's exactly the same as accepting government assistance in any other area. You know, like food stamps and welfare and educational financial aid. It is the tipping of the playing field to the advantage of someone who voted for/paid them.

                                    As for a better word... Tell you what, you eject them out of your political party and I'll be glad to call them something else. While you all occupy the same letter on the ballot, you get lumped together.

                                    --
                                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 30 2017, @03:17AM

                                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 30 2017, @03:17AM (#533233) Journal

                                      And systemic racism has never existed in the US.

                                      :-) A quote for the ages. At least it clarifies why this can go no further...

                                      As for the banks, etc. You are right. The voters let it happen.

                                      And my political 'party' is statistically invisible, pretty much like the real 'left'.

                                      --
                                      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday June 26 2017, @04:18PM

            by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday June 26 2017, @04:18PM (#531371)

            This left vs. right stuff really is nonsense, and does not map to reality very well, as you've noted here. Instead, check out this site [politicalcompass.org]; there's more than one axis of political thought, there's at least two (economic and social). Be warned, though, that site is really trying to convince people that capital-L Libertarianism is the best political philosophy, so it is a bit slanted, but the underlying idea is sound. There's authoritarians who believe in laissez-faire economics and authoritarians who believe in state socialism, and there's social libertarians on both sides as well. Even this probably simplifies things too much, because there's different issues where people feel differently, but I think this is about the best we'll get for now. Today's "alt-right" people are probably pretty close to laissez-faire on economics and fairy authoritarian on social issues, whereas the much-maligned college SJW liberals are probably pretty close to authoritarian state socialism, whereas the more old-fashioned "liberals" are more for social libertarianism with a more moderate amount of state socialism (i.e. nationalized healthcare). But even here it's hard to make hard categorizations: the college SJW crowd believes in freedom to be LGBTQetc., to use whatever bathroom you want, etc., but they want to clamp down completely on "hate speech" and push a sometimes-militant agenda w.r.t. minorities (see the hubbub at Evergreen when some white prof refused to stay away for the "Day of Absence" or whatever). The alt-right wants to oppress LGBTQetc. people and have government-sanctioned Christianity but wants total freedom to carry guns around everywhere.

            There's also the issue of local/state vs. federal/national. Some authoritarians just want to have authoritarianism at lower levels, not everywhere. So they want to have a state law in their state promoting their religion or bashing gays or whatever, but they oppose having many things be nation-wide, under the whole "states' rights" idea. We saw this back in the pre-Civil Rights days too: racists really only cared about having separate water fountains and oppressing "uppity" blacks in their own locales and states like Alabama, and really didn't care much about what people in California or New York did. People who cared about freedom and stopping oppression believed in universality, so they wanted these things stopped not only in places where the local populations completely agreed so it was easy to fix, but also in other places where people and authorities were much more backwards.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @06:15AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @06:15AM (#531153)

          Scope. Currently the ideology of the left is pushing damned hard for censorship of all sorts...

          Ah, ideologues like Theresa May, perchance? that well known left winger....

          there's a point at which you'll eventually see that all this left/right stuff is nonsense propagated by a professional political 'class' of cultural parasites, its function is to engender the 'us vs them' mentality in population groups these parasites wish to control, whilst we're busy fighting each other over 'big-end' or 'little-end' they're safe...

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by unauthorized on Monday June 26 2017, @08:31AM (4 children)

      by unauthorized (3776) on Monday June 26 2017, @08:31AM (#531204)

      You are cherrypicking so hard that you put Anita Sarkeesian to shame.

      The right is and has always been pro-censorship. Just because there are other groups doing it better than them at this very moment does not detract from the fact that the desire to shape the moral character of society through sociopoitical influence is endemic among conservative-minded people.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:24AM (3 children)

        Just because there are other groups doing it better than them at this very moment...

        That right there. You attack the ones putting your liberties in the most danger at the moment. You do not give them a pass for past good deeds.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:30PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:30PM (#531353)

          You are so transparently partisan it's just sad.

          At least you're leaving plenty of gems like these for the next time it's the D team's turn at the helm.

        • (Score: 2) by unauthorized on Monday June 26 2017, @05:18PM

          by unauthorized (3776) on Monday June 26 2017, @05:18PM (#531414)

          Ignoring the SJWs to focus on the mainstream conservatives was a mistake which got us where we are today. Once a crazy fringe gains the moral authority, it's too late to stop it from doing damage.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @05:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @05:31PM (#531419)

      no i said it was the people -- people like you. i described a problem relevant locally to be by someone who freaked out because he has a closed mind.

      you did not really respond to that, when I compared him and you, you went back on blaming the left because I somehow over looked that.

      I didn't. I did say both sides had special interest groups--they clearly arent the same but the one issue voters exist on both sides.

      hiding from unpleasant thoughts is often conservatism at its roots, but being a jerk can come out from either party.

        anyway, special interests, snowflake syndrome, both are real, and you're vitriolically defensive for some reason, like its ok to call others a name but not get labeled as one. I guess an offense is the best defense?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:53AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:53AM (#531039)

    authoritarian leanings, which would be the right

    Nope. You would only say such nonsense if your completely-wrong "knowledge" of politics is 1-dimensional.
    Left and Right, properly labeled, would be Socialist and Capitalist, respectively.

    Now, there is often some overlap with folks' position on another completely different axis [politicalcompass.org] which gauges support for civil liberties vs concentrated authoritarian power.
    ...but there are e.g. Libertarian (Law of the Jungle) types who are anti-Authoritarians who are economically on the Right (Mike Gravel on the linked chart).

    It's always been the left that pushes the bounds of free speech

    Again, I wish you lazy humps would learn and use the correct terminology.
    Those are Reactionaries and Progressives.

    ...and recent experiences with the free speech of Milo Yiannopoulos [google.com] and Richard Spencer [google.com] say that you're way off the mark.
    (Inciting violence and calling for illegal activities is not given license by law.)

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 26 2017, @01:35AM (5 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @01:35AM (#531055) Journal

      Again, I wish you lazy humps would learn and use the correct terminology. Those are Reactionaries and Progressives.

      Ok, how do you define "reactionaries" and "progressives"?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @02:24AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @02:24AM (#531071)

        First, they're proper nouns, defining groups, so they're capitalized.

        Next, having participated in several threads on the topic, you already know about Reactionaries.

        For others: It references a longing for a time in the distant past [google.com] when e.g.
        - there was segregation/Jim Crow
        - women couldn't vote
        - people (e.g. plantation owners) could own humans
        - people who didn't own land couldn't vote
        - people down on their luck didn't have a social safety net and could be exploited even more than usual

        .
        Defining "Progressives" typically involves the concept of "social reform" [google.com] i.e. proper civil liberties, as well as more equality in political power and wealth distribution.

        The former skews toward the Top Right of the political palate (previously linked) and the latter skews toward the Lower Left.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 26 2017, @04:52AM (3 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @04:52AM (#531126) Journal
          I will continue to use lower case because proper nouns are used for unique entities not vague (and often non-existent) groupings. Proper nouns are used in discuss of ideology, religion, and other belief/philosophy systems, but when it does, it refers to a unique system with fairly well-defined characteristics. Even then, adherents to such a system are typically referred to in the lower case, because they aren't unique.

          Second, as I long suspected, "reactionary" is near purely imaginary. Sure, maybe you could get someone behind one or two of these alleged principles, but you aren't going to find many people going for most of them. But I guess the whole point of tarring someone with the reactionary label is to insinuate that they support these things. No point to bothering, if you ever intend to be sincere. I would suggest instead dropping the label for something more productive and descriptive, like say conservative. Progressive is way overused. I imagine the people behind the arrests of the story think they're progressive, but they're obnoxiously trampling freedom of speech (the most important of the civil liberties) for ridiculous purposes. Now, your progressives might be more civil liberty-loving, but once again, it seems unlikely that this label is being put forth sincerely.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:22AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:22AM (#531196)

            Second, as I long suspected, "reactionary" is near purely imaginary.

            Of course, khallow! The obvious explanation is that you is one, so you cannot see it, just like you cannot smell your own farts. There have been no conservatives in America since Teddy Roosevelt. Nothing but reactionaries, recidivists, crypto-royalists, racists, Southern Democrats, Shriners, and Oddfellows. Which one, or ones, are you, khallow?

            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday June 26 2017, @12:09PM (1 child)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday June 26 2017, @12:09PM (#531267) Journal

              "There have been no conservatives in America since Teddy Roosevelt."

              That's funny. I always think of him as a progressive because of the platform of his Bull Moose party, the progressive party of 1912. Among its planks was women's suffrage, a ban on child labor, and tighter regulation of industrial combinations (monopolies and oligopolies to you and me). He was no Democrat, but somebody really fighting for the average American.

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              Washington DC delenda est.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:27PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:27PM (#531514)

                But Teddy did establish the National Parks! He was, unlike the foaming Reactionaries of today, an actual conservative who tried, you know, to conserve stuff. As opposed to destroying or selling to China, or letting Bundys overgraze the hell out of it.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday June 26 2017, @04:25AM (1 child)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday June 26 2017, @04:25AM (#531113) Journal

      Inciting violence and calling for illegal activities is not given license by law.

      Where does it say you need a license?

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:02AM (#531183)

        given license [google.com]

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]