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In a coordinated campaign across 14 states, the German police on Tuesday raided the homes of 36 people accused of hateful postings over social media, including threats, coercion and incitement to racism.
Most of the raids concerned politically motivated right-wing incitement, according to the Federal Criminal Police Office, whose officers conducted home searches and interrogations. But the raids also targeted two people accused of left-wing extremist content, as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation.
"The still high incidence of punishable hate posting shows a need for police action," Holger Münch, president of the Federal Criminal Police Office, said in a statement. "Our free society must not allow a climate of fear, threat, criminal violence and violence either on the street or on the internet."
The raids come as Germans are debating the draft of a new social media law aimed at cracking down on hate speech, a measure that an array of experts said was unconstitutional at a parliamentary hearing on Monday.
The measure, championed by Justice Minister Heiko Maas for passage this month, would fine Facebook, Twitter and other outlets up to $53 million (50 million euros) if they failed to remove hate speech and other forms of illegal content.
The left ladies and gentlemen.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:37PM (17 children)
No, I think the parties take turns being the biggest anti-liberty fuckwads and feeding the police state mentality and that the left currently holds that crown by a huge margin. If you disagree you'd better bring a damned good argument because it's easier to point out examples of leftist fascism right now than it is to tie your shoes.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:50PM
Hey boobies!!!!!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Lagg on Monday June 26 2017, @12:38AM (15 children)
That's what I'm saying though. I don't need to point out examples of either because I fully understand the point that they take turns. You clearly understand this too. Which is why it's so damnably confusing that you can at the same time be one of the types that condenses it down to either wing's issue as much as the idea of party loyalty being abused and incorrectly seen as patriotic in itself. Then being used by politicians of any party for their own agendas. Taking turns with the brand of evilness doesn't actually mean they just suddenly become less malicious because they're in the background of power.
Also, it's really going to help in the future to keep in mind that whatever you affiliate yourself with is not associated with the people you think and they are not acting in your favor. If anything can ever prove this it's Sanders' little thing with bank fraud currently. And there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind that he sold out so hard because Clinton would have gotten him out of trouble. Trump has outright stated who his real people are. All wings on the axis are represented in those examples. All are leaders and failures at the same time, leading self-interested failures leading people with misdirected passion. There is a degree of mental gymnastics required to imagine that the left wingers alone can be the enemy when looking at it from a global perspective. Like taking into account US, UK/brexit, this article, anti-muslim sentiment, pro-isolation mindsets, etc. they are probably one of the least power holding wings of recent years. In the US they are for sure. Maybe this is deserved, maybe a wake up call. But come on now, misprioritization of target.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @12:54AM (14 children)
Why, you ask? Because if group A is doing something you disapprove of, you point the finger directly at them. It doesn't matter if group B is doing something different that you disapprove of; that changes not one iota of the blame for group A.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Monday June 26 2017, @02:37AM (11 children)
It's pretty disingenuous to say then that your group A is the one that likes to use laws established with good intent for fascist purposes without also including group B. It's not that you're pointing out the wrong at-fault party. Just that you're blaming one component of the organization as if to imply the entire thing isn't cancerous. The thinking involved in this bust strike me as pretty conservative. Almost conservative by definition. Which is not what the left strikes me as. But you seem to think otherwise. Which is another recurring theme I find happening. I think it's confusing because they're both impossible to tell the difference between sometimes and the mix of satire and might-as-well-be satire makes it impossible to discern.
Also I've seen enough posts to know that it's not a group A/B situation for you. You favor one particular non-hypothetical mode of thought. Which is fine and your right to do as much as it is mine to reject all modes beyond my own. I don't find either way of doing politics and philosophy to be flawed. I sincerely mean that. But plez. The information is right out in front of you. If you're going to have enemies at least include the whole set. Like really the behavior of these people isn't hard to track and compare/contrast. I've only been doing it since 2001.
and none of this business about group 42 being somehow less prone to big government boot-to-throat placing like this please. I have seen enough "lock her/him/them up" and mouth-frothing calls to defund schools/states in order to force them into something they can't be legally compelled to do that I just flatly refuse that people take that idea seriously. That there is one part of the spectrum that makes the march to fascism slower. They'll both use government oppression when it suits them. They'll both agitate and isolate people to control them. Those people will disseminate the phantom so that it rings as genuine to other people.
I mean you just did it for this summary. Shit's not rocket science. It's effective too.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @04:40AM (3 children)
TMB is highly disingenuous, realize that first then stop engaging in "discussions" because either you circle jerk or he is intellectually dishonest as a primary resort.
(Score: 2) by Wootery on Monday June 26 2017, @08:10AM (2 children)
Coming from an AC. Priceless.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:25AM
TMB took my AC from me. True story! https://soylentnews.org/~DeathMonkey/journal/2411 [soylentnews.org]
"I got better."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:35PM
You attack the messenger good plan. Solid point bruh.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 26 2017, @04:57AM
At this point, I no longer care about disingenuous nature of such things. As long as someone gets punished for breaking laws, trampling rights, and so on, we have something we can build on. You won't get political allies to do this, only the enemies.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:28AM (5 children)
Show me a group B entity that's posing any real threat to my free speech like group A is doing as a matter of policy and I'll oppose them too. It's not happening from group B in any amount significant enough to attract my notice.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Monday June 26 2017, @08:44PM (4 children)
There's always an equal but opposite example of it for whatever wing you want. The left hijacks social progress to encourage different kinds of isolation which leads to censorship, they use the social outcasts as stage props to this end. But the right is also the wing that is as of typing this actively finding reasons to make people piss themselves in terror because the climate is right for it - and attempting to shut down dissent by calling every instance of it they don't like fake. Using the same tactics that the left does.
It's still censorship, one's just a different kind of direct and with different pretense. You can't recognize that because the form of oppression has a tone that suits you. And people who associate with a party or accepted spectrum-based school of thought are easy to control with this.
Basically, examples are plethora. Especially this last year. You need not look far for examples. Clinton has deplorables, obama had clingers, trump has liberals. Weaponization of terms for an individual or small group's political gain poses a bigger threat to your free speech than the washington protest zones let me say that much. It's just that the entrenched powers want you to think one of them is oh-so-caring about your rights and liberties while you're useful.
Also, like it or not: This wing that you hate remains the one that accidentally saves people's lives as a byproduct of advertisement and media manipulation. The right remains the one that openly and actively meddles with people's lives as a byproduct of self interest.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:51AM (3 children)
Saves people's lives? You have got to be kidding. They save nothing; they destroy lives. Their entire playbook right now is ginning up race/gender/class/etc... hatred for every niche they can find to the point of Inciting to Riot.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:32PM (2 children)
While I agree with your point about the divisive politics. The exact same tactic is used by the right and one needs only look as far as Fox News for proof. I remain bewildered at the current usage of "liberal" for example. However I can almost definitely say that greenpeace and PP have accidentally saved lives by their culty recruitment methods. They are about as left wing as one can bring to mind in a moment's thought. I got their recruiters to admit to me twice that both orgs use outsourced recruiting places that don't really care about skill or qualification. When I made the mistake of including my email (despite faking everything else) I got spammed to hell and back. PP has a fake unsubscribe link that I actually had to launch a tirade at them on twitter to get me off of. This is their reward for donating. Yet greenpeace has shamed at least 1 oil company out of wrecking the local ecosystem and PP has stopped at least 1 person from dying to birth complications. The right - for as much as I've seen - are rarely able to generate such social utility at that level of shitheadry. Because they don't understand how to engage evolving society over being contrarian cunts.
Also, with this whole midwest deplorable maga muh-illegal-voter bullshit, you really going to sit there and try to say the west coast lgbtqiaciafbibbq biqueer racefluid muhdentity bullshit is the bad? Man. I'm telling you. Jumping into the party sandbox is a waste of time. Especially when your picked poison is the one that gets you to use bizarre shit like "inciting to riot" all capitalized like this is some kind of citizen's gestapo keyword term and we're dealing with a militia. Are you fucking triggering scanners buzzard? Are you a cop? You have to tell me.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:05PM (1 child)
Every single day and twice on Sunday. Identity politics will destroy this nation. My picked poison is actually causing violence, riots, and deaths in the streets right now, imagine it in another twenty or thirty years.
As for social utility, the right gives more and does more charitable work than the left by a damned sight. So, yeah, I gotta say that as well. I have no idea where libertarians like myself stand but I'd hazard a guess that we out-help the left as well.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:31PM
Yeah see I honestly think you're still seeing phantoms due to exposure to all media. It's not that any one of them is fake, it's that they're all fake in their humanism and social responsibility. I don't watch news anymore. I don't see things like this unless the event is so extreme that word of it reaches me organically. This happens sometimes, like with the shooting of the baseball game. But rarely. Because people get outraged and then forget. The stuff that needs to stick does.
What I saw: Nipple hats, other failed branding attempts plethora, a googler-involved demonstration and finally a fairly respectable march in the name of science. People are in general violent cunts. The way with which those events were coordinated (again besides utter failure at branding) is downright envious for the lack of reported violence. This world on fire shit is going to be regretted later if some group or another gets pissed off enough for another LA riots. Then you'll have your sunday-edition of presupposition-supporting ebil all you want. Right now, you might as well be asking for a military cordon on the froyo shop in terms of me trying to understand where you're coming from with this.
Also I expect government-lead death to hit my door quite a long time before the civilian thought police do. Maybe that's why I don't see the doom around the corner? Like, molotov up my ass versus 1600 drones approved by fat people in suits. One seems more threatening than the other if imminent threats are the concern.
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(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday June 26 2017, @03:36AM (1 child)
Oh please, Buzzard. You only do it because it's more fun to wind up the center-right corporatists you call "the left" than it is to wind up the libtards and other morons on the hard right.
Geez Louise!
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:30AM
Man, everyone involved in the censorship push oughta be lined up for daily cactus suppositories. I don't give a damn who they are.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.