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In a coordinated campaign across 14 states, the German police on Tuesday raided the homes of 36 people accused of hateful postings over social media, including threats, coercion and incitement to racism.
Most of the raids concerned politically motivated right-wing incitement, according to the Federal Criminal Police Office, whose officers conducted home searches and interrogations. But the raids also targeted two people accused of left-wing extremist content, as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation.
"The still high incidence of punishable hate posting shows a need for police action," Holger Münch, president of the Federal Criminal Police Office, said in a statement. "Our free society must not allow a climate of fear, threat, criminal violence and violence either on the street or on the internet."
The raids come as Germans are debating the draft of a new social media law aimed at cracking down on hate speech, a measure that an array of experts said was unconstitutional at a parliamentary hearing on Monday.
The measure, championed by Justice Minister Heiko Maas for passage this month, would fine Facebook, Twitter and other outlets up to $53 million (50 million euros) if they failed to remove hate speech and other forms of illegal content.
The left ladies and gentlemen.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 25 2017, @11:50PM (33 children)
Oh please... Left/right... show me any real difference. Authoritarians are authoritarians. This whole left/right bullshit is nothing but a distraction, but that does not diminish its effectiveness amongst the plebs obviously.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @12:02AM (32 children)
Scope. Currently the ideology of the left is pushing damned hard for censorship of all sorts. The right isn't. They have entirely different things that make them cocksuckers.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @03:05AM (13 children)
Oh, the absolutes. Retract? [soylentnews.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 26 2017, @04:57AM (5 children)
Don't bother. Uzzard is another useful idiot for the authoritarians, precisely because he's deluded himself into thinking his personal disagreeableness (and no doubt terrible hygiene) is the same thing as actually Stickin' It To The Man (TM). Fact is, he's got his head so far up his own ass he's become a walking Klein Bottle.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @05:51AM (4 children)
Chill, mate, that didn't add anything to the discussion and you aren't going to convince me using negative imagery about a person.
Just ask our philosopher-on-duty about the philosophical stature and personal hygiene habits of a friend of his, Diogenes (well, I bet aristarchus will deny he was ever friends with Diogenes and invoke something like the non-overlapping life spans; I have a hunch is more about embarrassment, though. Large grin - a cynical one, to be precise).
On the other side, most of the authoritarians I met over my life were impeccable dressed (with the notable exception of my father).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 26 2017, @06:12AM (3 children)
I dunno, a guy who spends several hours a day with his beaky schnozz up a dead water buffalo's decomposing rectum probably isn't gonna smell all that good...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @06:34AM (2 children)
Which is in no relation whatsoever with the authoritarian trait of his character (I won't deny it, he might though) or his chances to be wrong or correct in any given situation.
(character assassination is irrelevant and, IMHO, a worse waste of time than posting on SN).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 26 2017, @08:06AM (1 child)
That, dear c0lo, presupposes that there is a character to assassinate.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @08:20AM
:)
Even a bad character is a character - heck, even char(0) is still a character.
And TMB is quite a peculiar one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:20AM (6 children)
Generalities not absolutes. Learn your rhetoric.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @11:22AM (5 children)
(mmm... on top of the other qualities, pedantic and unrepentant. Good to know)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:06AM (4 children)
Yeah, that's fair. Trivialities do annoy me a bit and if you believe in your position you've no reason to repent it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:52AM (3 children)
Yes, being wrong in an instance is trivial, indeed.
It's in the human nature, why fight it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:57AM (2 children)
Indeed, so repent already. I'll sit over here happily correct and unrepentant.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:23PM (1 child)
You clearly are in a good mood today.
Me, at the end of the day and in bed already, I'm too tired to repent; would you be a sport and repent for me today? Ta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:27PM
I would but I think I've forgotten how. It's been so long since I was wrong about something I'd have to look it up.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday June 26 2017, @04:14AM (16 children)
So, groups like the ACLU or People for the American Way are 'right wing'? And all those religious wackos that want to censor books for 'profanity' are 'left wing'? What about present day prohibitionists? Left or right? I'm just trying to get my bearings here. It seems like everything reversed itself over the last fifty years. Were all the hippies really 'right wing' too?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @04:36AM
This is all they have left, they found themselves loyal and deeply embedded in the conservative train wreck. So they do what they do best, claim the high road and project their own group's issues on to "the left". Can we all just agree that both political parties are corrupted beyond redemption? Which side is more evil is a dumb game to play, let's stick to the constitution and move forward from there.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:22AM (13 children)
Darlin, even the ACLU is speaking out against the left nowadays.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday June 26 2017, @01:11PM (12 children)
Well, by your definition, they have been since they were formed. Funny that still no one has been able to distinguish left wing authoritarianism from right wing authoritarianism. If you could be so kind, it would be most helpful
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:04AM (11 children)
Eh, it'd end up being a tl;dr post if I went into any depth. I'll give you a couple examples instead. The left currently wants to gut the first and second amendments while he right wants to gut the fourth and fifth.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:05PM (10 children)
So, basically they are defined by their target, and not their character? Well, okay, I didn't know the bill of rights could be divided up that way. I'll try to work with that, but I doubt I will get anywhere.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:06AM (9 children)
If you're going for simplicity, yes. It's not feasible to separate everyone out by their individual and widely varying beliefs for a short debate. So, you separate them out by their actions instead of their words, which is a more telling metric anyway.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 28 2017, @03:31AM (8 children)
But again, the actions are the same, only the targets differ. This like arguing the difference between terrorists and 'freedom fighters'. The only difference there being where the gun are pointed. And as far as the targets you mentioned, why is one more valuable than the other?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 28 2017, @09:35AM (7 children)
I never said one was more valuable than another. They're simply different conversations.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 28 2017, @01:02PM (6 children)
And it's still not differentiating 'left' from 'right'. They are still irrelevant to any conversation, aside from their diversionary value for somebody who has no argument, or is simply biased in some fashion. The goals of authoritarianism has no bias of this kind. Power seeking is a pathological problem, not political. The most basic motivations for such are the same for everybody. It's a function of the brain stem, not the cortex.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 29 2017, @02:06AM (5 children)
They're relevant in the same way that any generalization is relevant, as a means of being able to address the part of a Venn diagram that share the characteristics you wish to address.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 29 2017, @08:49PM (4 children)
There is authoritarian and libertarian/anarchism. Which one is 'left', and which one is 'right'? Why, for example, is China 'left' and your average Central/South American tin pot is 'right'? To me there just is no difference. All the so-called left wingers (liberals) become right wingers (conservatives) when they get and want to keep their power.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday June 30 2017, @12:09AM (3 children)
Sigh, you're deliberately misunderstanding. Authoritarianism is not a left-right trait && the left in the US has gone extremely authoritarian of late. The two statements are not in conflict in any way.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 30 2017, @01:54AM (2 children)
What is this 'left' you are talking about? What makes them 'left'? I'm still not getting an answer, other than the targets, which makes no sense. It should be determined by the motivations (the basic animal ones, not the superficial social propaganda) and their ultimate goal, not their methods. To me these are just people out to discredit the civil rights movement with propaganda, a conservative bunch indeed, same as the birthers (birchers?). It appears they are succeeding with the catchall 'political correctness' shtick. None of that makes it 'left' by any stretch of the meaning. The real 'left' doesn't get any press anymore, much less positive press. The real 'left' consists of groups like the ACLU, the Innocence Project, people fighting against systemic racism (yes that still exists in the US, especially in the prison system), prohibition, eminent domain, the wars, the robber barons that run the banks and steal our pensions, etc, not the whiny college punks making the headlines these days. They are more like paid agitators and designated distractions. Nothing to do with 'left'. You need a better word to describe them.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday June 30 2017, @02:55AM (1 child)
No. Proper liberals fight for equality not special rights for "the oppressed". And systemic racism has never existed in the US. Nor anywhere else. It is a socialist bullshit term made up to justify seeking equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity and to further entrench identity politics.
If they're actually breaking laws, prosecute them. If they're not, STFU. It's the fault of the people who voted in a government that it is corrupt and sells laws and favors not the fault of businesses that take advantage of such. It's exactly the same as accepting government assistance in any other area. You know, like food stamps and welfare and educational financial aid. It is the tipping of the playing field to the advantage of someone who voted for/paid them.
As for a better word... Tell you what, you eject them out of your political party and I'll be glad to call them something else. While you all occupy the same letter on the ballot, you get lumped together.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 30 2017, @03:17AM
And systemic racism has never existed in the US.
:-) A quote for the ages. At least it clarifies why this can go no further...
As for the banks, etc. You are right. The voters let it happen.
And my political 'party' is statistically invisible, pretty much like the real 'left'.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday June 26 2017, @04:18PM
This left vs. right stuff really is nonsense, and does not map to reality very well, as you've noted here. Instead, check out this site [politicalcompass.org]; there's more than one axis of political thought, there's at least two (economic and social). Be warned, though, that site is really trying to convince people that capital-L Libertarianism is the best political philosophy, so it is a bit slanted, but the underlying idea is sound. There's authoritarians who believe in laissez-faire economics and authoritarians who believe in state socialism, and there's social libertarians on both sides as well. Even this probably simplifies things too much, because there's different issues where people feel differently, but I think this is about the best we'll get for now. Today's "alt-right" people are probably pretty close to laissez-faire on economics and fairy authoritarian on social issues, whereas the much-maligned college SJW liberals are probably pretty close to authoritarian state socialism, whereas the more old-fashioned "liberals" are more for social libertarianism with a more moderate amount of state socialism (i.e. nationalized healthcare). But even here it's hard to make hard categorizations: the college SJW crowd believes in freedom to be LGBTQetc., to use whatever bathroom you want, etc., but they want to clamp down completely on "hate speech" and push a sometimes-militant agenda w.r.t. minorities (see the hubbub at Evergreen when some white prof refused to stay away for the "Day of Absence" or whatever). The alt-right wants to oppress LGBTQetc. people and have government-sanctioned Christianity but wants total freedom to carry guns around everywhere.
There's also the issue of local/state vs. federal/national. Some authoritarians just want to have authoritarianism at lower levels, not everywhere. So they want to have a state law in their state promoting their religion or bashing gays or whatever, but they oppose having many things be nation-wide, under the whole "states' rights" idea. We saw this back in the pre-Civil Rights days too: racists really only cared about having separate water fountains and oppressing "uppity" blacks in their own locales and states like Alabama, and really didn't care much about what people in California or New York did. People who cared about freedom and stopping oppression believed in universality, so they wanted these things stopped not only in places where the local populations completely agreed so it was easy to fix, but also in other places where people and authorities were much more backwards.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @06:15AM
Ah, ideologues like Theresa May, perchance? that well known left winger....
there's a point at which you'll eventually see that all this left/right stuff is nonsense propagated by a professional political 'class' of cultural parasites, its function is to engender the 'us vs them' mentality in population groups these parasites wish to control, whilst we're busy fighting each other over 'big-end' or 'little-end' they're safe...