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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday June 25 2017, @10:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the wrong-thinking-will-be-punished dept.

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

In a coordinated campaign across 14 states, the German police on Tuesday raided the homes of 36 people accused of hateful postings over social media, including threats, coercion and incitement to racism.

Most of the raids concerned politically motivated right-wing incitement, according to the Federal Criminal Police Office, whose officers conducted home searches and interrogations. But the raids also targeted two people accused of left-wing extremist content, as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation.

"The still high incidence of punishable hate posting shows a need for police action," Holger Münch, president of the Federal Criminal Police Office, said in a statement. "Our free society must not allow a climate of fear, threat, criminal violence and violence either on the street or on the internet."

The raids come as Germans are debating the draft of a new social media law aimed at cracking down on hate speech, a measure that an array of experts said was unconstitutional at a parliamentary hearing on Monday.

The measure, championed by Justice Minister Heiko Maas for passage this month, would fine Facebook, Twitter and other outlets up to $53 million (50 million euros) if they failed to remove hate speech and other forms of illegal content.

The left ladies and gentlemen.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by its_gonna_be_yuge! on Monday June 26 2017, @12:21AM (33 children)

    by its_gonna_be_yuge! (6454) on Monday June 26 2017, @12:21AM (#531017)

    The left ladies and gentlemen.

    Is it possible to mod TFA summary as flamebait?

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @12:36AM (32 children)

    Flaming or not is up to you. Nothing stopping you from posting a perfectly rational disagreement except your own mind. I don't have those kinds of super powers.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by its_gonna_be_yuge! on Monday June 26 2017, @12:44AM (31 children)

      by its_gonna_be_yuge! (6454) on Monday June 26 2017, @12:44AM (#531036)

      You are acting as an editor with your original posting of the articles. That's hardly the same thing as a normal post in response to articles.

      Whatever. Until Soylent cleans up and finds a way to avoid this kind of blatant partisanship in article summaries I won't take Soylent seriously and it won't get any donations from me.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @01:00AM (27 children)

        No, I'm acting as a submitter same as you lot. We allow a certain amount of editorializing per story and that wasn't even really editorializing because it was absolutely factually true. The left is currently running the German government and they are unequivocally the ones who ordered these arrests.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 5, Funny) by aristarchus on Monday June 26 2017, @01:07AM (9 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Monday June 26 2017, @01:07AM (#531049) Journal

          The left is currently running the German government

          When TMB says "left" he generally means "post-Nazi".

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @01:50AM (8 children)

            More pre-Nazi. They're working up to it though.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday June 26 2017, @02:02AM (6 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday June 26 2017, @02:02AM (#531063) Journal

              So, O Mandatory Buzzfeed, you are not familiar with the American roots of German anti-hate speech laws? Lots of people, ones usually not involved in rocketry or chemistry, were prohibited from speaking out publicly for quite some time after the fall of Nazism, like Martin Heidegger, because of their support of a criminal and heinous regime. You are not buying into khallow's ingenious revisionist history where censorship caused the rise of Fascism, are you? Because you know what else causes a rise of Fascism? Yep, libertarian free speech! Normalization of hate and stupidity, works every single time.

              • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Monday June 26 2017, @05:20AM (5 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @05:20AM (#531138) Journal

                You are not buying into khallow's ingenious revisionist history where censorship caused the rise of Fascism, are you?

                Perhaps you could look into the circumstances between the Beer Hall Putsch and the publishing of Mein Kampf rather than hurl ignorant taunts yet again? Hitler went from a drunken attempt to overthrow the Munich government to a major political player in Germany not as a result of the failed coup or the writing of his book, but rather the very public trial for treason which establish Nazi legal strategy for years after. The Nazis then exploited a number of other trials mostly for libel or hate speech violations (the very sort of thing that European hate speech law theoretically will suppress now) to generate street cred, publicity, and cheap martyrdom.

                Because you know what else causes a rise of Fascism? Yep, libertarian free speech! Normalization of hate and stupidity, works every single time.

                I await your evidence for your assertion.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday June 26 2017, @06:47AM (4 children)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Monday June 26 2017, @06:47AM (#531163) Journal

                  I await your evidence for your assertion.

                  No, you do not, khallow. This is like private property and Anthropogenic Global Warming to you. Nothing will change your mind.

                  But if I might, could it be that perhaps your reading of history is correct, but that it has nothing to do with anything? Imagine that the libel and treason trials had not taken place: are you asserting that the Nazis would not have come to power? Nice counter-factual, but the problem is that your "factual" is just as contrived, that it was the libel laws and "persecution" of the Nazis that was essential to their rise. I am saying that it might have had much more to do with a world-wide Capitalist caused economic depression, and the dumkoffheitness of some Germans that led to Nazi Germany, that and Rush Limbaugh (he did have Nazi counterparts, you know).

                      So I still say it is alright to punch a Nazi in the face, to cut a Republican that is trying to deprive you of health care, and to shut the f*** up racist, misogynist right-wing nut-jobs, and put them in the mental hospitals and re-education facilities, BEFORE they go all crazy with "Final Solutions" and "Making Germany Reich Again!".

                  And did you see, today, that Spencer was out in full force, with a pathetic group of deplorables, protesting the cartoon killings of trump? Laughable. Deplorable, and you know, we should prosecute that guy for hate speech. Yeah, white supremecists say they just want separation of races, and respect for their artificial construct of "whiteness", but we all know where that leads. This is why we need a Final Solution to the White Supremecy Question. Self-defense, under natural law, against hegemonic racists. We will not tolerate intolerance.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 26 2017, @12:10PM (3 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @12:10PM (#531269) Journal

                    No, you do not, khallow. This is like private property and Anthropogenic Global Warming to you. Nothing will change your mind.

                    Not that you tried. One little paragraph asserting that rational argument wouldn't sway me and then a few paragraphs of crap that wouldn't sway anyone. Seems par for the course.

                    But if I might, could it be that perhaps your reading of history is correct, but that it has nothing to do with anything? Imagine that the libel and treason trials had not taken place: are you asserting that the Nazis would not have come to power? Nice counter-factual, but the problem is that your "factual" is just as contrived, that it was the libel laws and "persecution" of the Nazis that was essential to their rise. I am saying that it might have had much more to do with a world-wide Capitalist caused economic depression, and the dumkoffheitness of some Germans that led to Nazi Germany, that and Rush Limbaugh (he did have Nazi counterparts, you know).

                    The Wiemar Republic was going to fall. It's enemies, such as the German military, industrialists, Junkers, etc were too strong while support for the Republic was lackluster at best. But the Nazis being on top in the aftermath of that fall was not so destined. They needed a very high profile and powerful support from voters to make that happen. Nor were they the only game in town. As I noted earlier, these trials were a key step in obtaining that publicity and to build the political base of the Nazis up to the point where they were essential to any attempt to overthrow the Republic.

                    As to the Great Depression, the Nazis grew in power between recessions as well.

                    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:45AM (2 children)

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:45AM (#531698) Journal

                      Not that you tried.

                      Correct. I tried many times before. But now I can tell when you get your ideology on, and are not amenable to rational argument. Usually, it is when you start talking about "rational argument".

                      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:06AM (1 child)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:06AM (#531727) Journal
                        If you're just going to assert crap, how about asserting something like a large inheritance for me? I could use the money more than your empty assurances.
                        • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:28AM

                          by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:28AM (#531736) Journal

                          I hereby bequeath, in totality, the entire philosophical tradition of the world, as inadequately channel through myself, to my student, khallow. May the gods have mercy on his nous.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:59AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:59AM (#531097)

              Wait. Haven't Germans spent the last several decades making sure that the Nazi situation does not occur again?

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @01:49AM (16 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @01:49AM (#531059)

          The left is currently running the German government

          Heh. Yeah, Angela Merkel is so completely anti-Capitalist.
          I just don't understand how German bankers have come to dominate Europe on her watch.
          (In a few more weeks, I expect them to completely own Greece.)

          Those damned Leftists and their deep concern for Working Class people and distributed wealth!

          Every now and then you go so completely Klein flask [google.com] that it's great comedy.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @01:51AM (15 children)

            She matches up with our far-left-wing politicians pretty nicely. What else would you prefer I call her?

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 4, Informative) by aristarchus on Monday June 26 2017, @02:13AM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday June 26 2017, @02:13AM (#531069) Journal

              American Far Left? Ha! You make me laugh.

              Christian Democratic Union (CDU) / Christian Social Union (CSU) – Christian democrat, centre-right: 311 seats

              https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Germany [wikipedia.org]

              Center-right. Yep, American libtard leftist liberal Pelosists are the equivalent of Merkel's center-right party! Well, explains all the support here for Nazism. Fricking California Nazis.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday June 26 2017, @03:41AM (13 children)

              She matches up with our far-left-wing politicians pretty nicely. What else would you prefer I call her?

              Given that what's called "the left" here in the US are mostly center-right corporatists, that sounds about right.

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              No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:06AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:06AM (#531186)

                ...by the airheads on TeeVee.
                ...and the nitwits who parrot what the airheads say.

                -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 26 2017, @10:39AM (11 children)

                I was thinking of her "send us more refugees, we don't have enough chaos in the streets to declare martial law yet" policy that matches exactly with our far-left, but whatever.

                --
                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday June 26 2017, @04:44PM (10 children)

                  "Far Left" huh?

                  You mean like Mao? Trotsky? Yeah, those fucking commies like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are just like those guys.

                  And don't even get me started on Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Elizabeth Warren, Richard Blumenthal, Claire McCaskill and Jon Tester, just to name a few of those far-left crazies that are advocating for collectivism, forced mixed breeding programs, nationalization of all industries, disarming everyone and summary execution of dissidents. Please.

                  What you call the "left" in the US is are right wing corporatists who are almost as complicit in raping those they claim to represent as the right. They're certainly not leftists [wikipedia.org] in any recognizable way.

                  If and when these guys [wikipedia.org], can win even a *local* election, you can start talking about how "the left" has any political power and influence. At the moment (and since 1938, when they were founded), they have none in the US.

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                  No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                  • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday June 26 2017, @08:17PM

                    by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 26 2017, @08:17PM (#531510)

                    Everything is leftist to the far right.

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                    The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:36PM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:36PM (#531518)

                    Neither of those dudes are Anti-Capitalist.

                    Like so many USAians with weak minds, you have allowed yourself to be convinced by TeeVee that there is a major gulf between The Donkeys and the GOP.
                    Hint: Every time the GOP has shifted Right for the last 4-plus decades, the Donkeys follow.
                    Similar deal for Authoritarianism.

                    An actual Leftist--or someone who is the slightest bit informed--will point out that those 2 dudes are Neoliberals. [soylentnews.org]

                    The fact that there are Reactionaries who don't appreciate Slick Willie shows what badly-informed fools they are.
                    Bill Clinton's Five Major Achievements Were Longstanding GOP Objectives [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [truth-out.org]

                    Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein

                    More Neoliberals.
                    Gawd, what does it take to make a Reactionary happy?

                    Claire McCaskill

                    OMFG. Just what does it take to make a goddamned Reactionary happy?
                    She's a Blue Dog. [google.com]
                    She votes WITH YOUR SIDE a bunch of the time.
                    Going by GOP's naming conventions, she would be a DINO (Democrat in name only).

                    Richard Blumenthal and Jon Tester

                    Mostly boring, run-of-the-mill Democrats.
                    Blumenthal voted for militarism that Obama vetoed. [ballotpedia.org]

                    Elizabeth Warren

                    Well, you finally named someone who is an actual Progressive.
                    She's still isn't willing to cast aside Capitalism, however.
                    Not a word from her yet about the collective ownership of the means of production by the workers.
                    Not even Socialist, much less Communist.

                    Not a single person you named talks about changing the ownership model of Capitalism.
                    You are a badly-informed fool.
                    Anyone who takes seriously anything that you say WRT governance is also a fool.

                    Switch off the Faux Noise. It's turning your brain into mush.

                    N.B. If you wanted to mention someone who actually stands out from the crowd, you might have mentioned Congresswoman Barbara Lee who represents Oakland, the only person to vote against Dubya's invasion of Iraq.

                    Bernie Sanders (who calls himself an Independent, though he caucuses with and generally votes along with the Donkeys) has talked, in passing, about worker ownership of their own businesses.
                    ...and though he calls himself a "democratic socialist" (a redundant term), his rhetoric is vague and weak and he has said that he is opposed to the notion of gov't ownership of businesses (that being a characteristic of Communism).

                    In summary, your "commie" comment gets an F minus.

                    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

                    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday June 26 2017, @09:54PM

                      Really, Gewg?

                      I guess your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning again.

                      Did you even read what I wrote? sigh.

                      --
                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday June 26 2017, @09:59PM

                      Not a single person you named talks about changing the ownership model of Capitalism.

                      Yup. Because at best they're center-right, and not leftist (which is TMB's argument, not mine). Which was my whole point.

                      Even Elizabeth Warren is, at best, center-left.

                      You're being a dick. And to someone who was making your own point for you.

                      Fuck off, Gewg.

                      --
                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:55AM (5 children)

                    You're splitting hairs and doing so incorrectly. When I speak of the far left in this context I am not talking about the mainstream leftists who run for most offices. Barbara Boxer and her ilk, sure, but most of those with a D by their name hold no ideology save that of their pocket, same as most of those with an R by their name.

                    No, in fact I'm speaking of those who champion LGBTOMGWTFBBQ rights with one side of their mouth and in the same breath champion a religion that inflicts the death penalty for being LGBTOMGWTFBBQ. I'm speaking of those who think riots and assault is the proper response to speech you disapprove of. I am very specifically speaking of those who are for open borders and welcoming of every refugee possible specifically because it will end up destroying the dominant culture of the nation it happens to. I'm speaking of the people acting exactly like rebellious teenagers and opposing everything their parents are for simply out of kneejerk reaction.

                    --
                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:59PM (4 children)

                      You're splitting hairs and doing so incorrectly. When I speak of the far left in this context I am not talking about the mainstream leftists who run for most offices. Barbara Boxer and her ilk, sure, but most of those with a D by their name hold no ideology save that of their pocket, same as most of those with an R by their name.

                      No, in fact I'm speaking of those who champion LGBTOMGWTFBBQ rights with one side of their mouth and in the same breath champion a religion that inflicts the death penalty for being LGBTOMGWTFBBQ. I'm speaking of those who think riots and assault is the proper response to speech you disapprove of. I am very specifically speaking of those who are for open borders and welcoming of every refugee possible specifically because it will end up destroying the dominant culture of the nation it happens to. I'm speaking of the people acting exactly like rebellious teenagers and opposing everything their parents are for simply out of kneejerk reaction.

                      And who might these straw men be, Buzzard?

                      Let's have names, dates, places and verifiable quotes. You know, facts and evidence.

                      And dollars to donuts says that anyone you might actually come up with has exactly zero real power to effect *anything*. What's more, such people are likely considered crackpots and morons by just about everyone.

                      The people whom opportunistic hate peddlers like Limbaugh, Bannon, Gingrich, Jones and others demonize are not your enemy. The vast majority of us just want to have a decent life, a decent job and a reasonable sense that future generations will have that chance too.

                      Perhaps we disagree on the specifics of how to make that happen, but disagreeing on how to achieve shared goals is no reason to claim that those who disagree on a few topics are, in your words:

                      "those who think riots and assault is the proper response to speech you disapprove of. I am very specifically speaking of those who are for open borders and welcoming of every refugee possible specifically because it will end up destroying the dominant culture of the nation it happens to."

                      Oh, and it's poor form to end a sentence with a preposition. ;)

                      So let's have it. Verifiable names, dates, places actions and words. You know, facts -- which can be so annoying when they don't support the narrative you want to push.

                      --
                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:14AM (3 children)

                        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:14AM (#532243) Homepage Journal

                        You think those without uber political power can't effect change? If your words among others can cause a class of dipshit college students, women, hipsters, and the less intelligent minorities to dress up in black pajamas and run around pepper spraying people, assaulting with fists, assaulting with deadly weapons, burning their own neighborhood stores, and otherwise get people rioting in the streets, you have influence. Do please stop trying to change the playing field just because you're wrong.

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                        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                        • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:23AM (2 children)

                          by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:23AM (#532247) Homepage Journal

                          You think those without uber political power can't effect change? If your words among others can cause a class of dipshit college students, women, hipsters, and the less intelligent minorities to dress up in black pajamas and run around pepper spraying people, assaulting with fists, assaulting with deadly weapons, burning their own neighborhood stores, and otherwise get people rioting in the streets, you have influence. Do please stop trying to change the playing field just because you're wrong.

                          Verifiable names, dates, places and facts please. You know, evidence or it didn't happen. Full stop.

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                          No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 28 2017, @09:52AM (1 child)

                            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 28 2017, @09:52AM (#532346) Homepage Journal

                            You're kidding, right? Here's the list: every leftist who has preached "blah rights" when that group had equal protection under the law. Every leftist who has preached "they have more money than you and you should be pissed off" since ever. Everyone who preaches equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. No, I'm not going to spend my morning coffee time making up a specific list for you. If you think I might consider them qualifying in the above list, assume I do.

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                            • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Wednesday June 28 2017, @06:39PM

                              by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday June 28 2017, @06:39PM (#532570) Homepage Journal

                              You're kidding, right? Here's the list: every leftist who has preached "blah rights" when that group had equal protection under the law. Every leftist who has preached "they have more money than you and you should be pissed off" since ever. Everyone who preaches equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. No, I'm not going to spend my morning coffee time making up a specific list for you. If you think I might consider them qualifying in the above list, assume I do.

                              So it's no just in your mind then. Okay. Have fun with that.

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                              No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
      • (Score: 3, Informative) by cmn32480 on Monday June 26 2017, @04:09AM (2 children)

        Actually, we run stuff from both sides with regularity.

        gewg_ (aka -- OriginalOwner [soylentnews.org]) has plenty of stuff that gets through the editorial process that leans to the left. Many (most?) of his usual sources, (World Socialist Website, Common Dreams, etc) are heavily left leaning. Pretty much the polar opposite of The Mighty Buzzard.

        While I may not agree with gewg_'s point of view on most things, he puts together a very nice submission the vast majority of the time, and as a general rule makes pretty cogent arguments for his points.

        We editors do actually try (believe it or not) to post stuff from both ends, regardless of our personal beliefs.

        The idea is to foster discussion. If you believe differently from the summary or comments of other, please by all means argue your point of view, but understand, others will do the same. You don't win just by showing up.

        --
        "It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear" - Norm Peterson
        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @05:59AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @05:59AM (#531146)

          I'd say "is hanging off the Left edge", but whatever. 8-)

          Many (most?) of his usual sources, (World Socialist Website, Common Dreams, etc) are heavily left leaning

          ...and the most Leftist stuff doesn't make the front page.
          After Trump's Withdrawal from the Paris Agreement: The [Socialist] Solution to Climate Change [soylentnews.org]

          Similar deal for my sense of justice/karma, submitted under /dev/random.
          Big Game Hunter Crushed to Death by Elephant in Zimbabwe [soylentnews.org]

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Monday June 26 2017, @10:09PM

            Neither does a lot of the most biased right leaning stuff.

            And I agree, hanging off the left edge is a pretty fair self evaluation. I was trying to be nice. :-)

            But I stand by my previous statement, you DO write a pretty fine summary and make good arguments for your points, no matter how off the mark I personally think they are. Your subs are generally good fodder for discussion.

            --
            "It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear" - Norm Peterson