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Associated Press reports:
While 41 percent of Republicans of all ages believe immigrants face a lot of discrimination in the United States, the percentage increases to 60 percent among Republicans between 18 and 29 years old, the survey found. That's a stark contrast to GOP voters 65 and older — only a third of that group says immigrants experience discrimination.
Researchers also found that 74 percent of young whites believe that immigrants are targeted for discrimination a lot, compared to 57 percent of white Americans of all ages. However, among Republicans, only for the youngest group, between 18 and 29, is that view in the majority. Even 30-to-39-year-old Republicans are evenly split, 48 percent to 48 percent, on whether immigrants undergo a lot of discrimination.
[...] "Closed-minded Republicans need to expand their perspective to see how immigrants are helping us all create a better America. I believe that this will change with the younger generation of Republicans," Kromsky said.
[...] According to the PRRI poll, 64 percent of all Americans, regardless of political affiliation and age, believe that immigrants in the U.S. illegally should have a path to citizenship if certain conditions are met; only 16 percent say they should be deported. Among Republicans of all ages, support for a path to citizenship is lower, at 55 percent. But when only Republicans between the ages of 18 to 29 are accounted for, that number rises to 62 percent.
[...] The age gap among Republicans also surfaces on gay rights: 54 percent of Republicans between 18 and 29 believe that gay and lesbian couples should marry, while half as many Republicans older than 65 agree. Younger GOP supporters are more closely aligned with the majority of Americans than their older counterparts: Overall, 58 percent of Americans support gay marriage. However, they are far from the average among young people of all political leanings: 74 percent of them support gay marriage.
From the same source, comes news on a class-action suit challenging a once-secret government program that delayed immigration and citizenship applications by Muslims; a suit that was okayed by a judge in Seattle:
U.S. District Judge Richard Jones in Seattle on Wednesday denied the Justice Department's request to dismiss the lawsuit, which was filed in February by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project.
The lawsuit claims the government since 2008 has used the Controlled Application Review and Resolution Program to blacklist thousands of applications for asylum, legal permanent residency or citizenship as national security concerns.
The program imposes criteria on the applications that go far beyond what Congress has authorized, including holding up some applications if the applicants donated to Muslim charities or traveled [sic] to Muslim-majority countries, the complaint alleges.
The program was not publicly discovered until 2012, when an immigration officer discussed it during testimony in a different lawsuit. Immigrant rights advocates then filed Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to force U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to turn over more information about it, the lawsuit said.
In addition to challenging the program, the lawsuit seeks to block any other "extreme vetting" that President Donald Trump's administration might impose as an updated version of it.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @08:46PM (23 children)
When difficulties experienced by immigrants are discussed. It matters what kind of immigrants that is referred. And what kind of difficulties that is meant.
Keep in mind that even a professor in robotics from Australia of English descent would be a "immigrant". And that person will likely be more desirable than other persons. Which means that any state or people will want means to deny people that will be a detriment to themselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @09:31PM (22 children)
Things might not be so terrible if we were choosy. We aren't, and that mostly isn't about to change. It's better that we admit this and just shut down immigration.
I mean really, can you imagine us being appropriately choosy?
You must demonstrate a willingness to eat a bacon cheeseburger. Your party must arrive with a grown woman who is willing to be seen by non-family males while wearing only sandals, short shorts, and a tank top. All people over age 10 must demonstrate an IQ of at least 115. All members of your party must be willing to shake hands with non-family members of the opposite sex. If not highly fluent in English, you must be highly fluent in a language that is NOT among the 10 most popular in the United States.
That isn't going to happen.
(Score: 2) by NewNic on Monday June 26 2017, @09:42PM (4 children)
So what you are saying is that we should expand the H1B visa program, but reduce the number of green cards issued to family members?
lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun: Magical thinking that useful idiots mistake for serious political theory
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @09:56PM
Make the minimum salary be 3x the median household income. Block anybody with a belief system that includes a restrictive diet, required clothing on the arms/legs/head, a required system of law, or similar trouble. Block anybody who would likely isolate themselves in a non-English community.
That won't happen, but sure. It might be a decent idea to have a reasonable number of such people. At no time should the number of such people in any age/sex group be a significant portion of the population -- perhaps 5% is a reasonable limit. (so we can let in a 32-year-old male if 4.99% of the 32-year-old males are immigrants, but not if 5.00% are) Have a much lower limit when language is concerned; 5% is far too high for any non-English language. Maybe 0.1% for that.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:17PM (2 children)
No, don't expand H1B because it's a bullshit visa, because it ties employees to their employers. Change it so that the visa-holders can job-hop all they want and it'll be good.
Green cards issued to family members are bullshit IMO if they're for extended family. Your kids, of course; your spouse, sure; your parents, I'm not so sure but maybe; your 2nd cousin, definitely not.
(Score: 2) by NewNic on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:30PM (1 child)
H1Bs don't tie immigrants to their employers. The green card process does.
People who are in the USA on an H1B can get a new visa for a different employer, without any quota limitations.
lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun: Magical thinking that useful idiots mistake for serious political theory
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday June 30 2017, @12:27AM
My view is that this whole area is a huge mess that doesn't protect anyone from evil foreigners. I'd much rather have green card access after a sizeable payment and relatively background check for criminal activities and such, skipping most of these visas altogether for a straightforward permanent residency that is easy to get.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @09:49PM
Like many other countries, even some of the "socialist" ones in Europe that are so highly regarded by Liberals have much more restrictive immigration than the USA.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday June 26 2017, @10:08PM (8 children)
You must demonstrate a willingness to eat a bacon cheeseburger.
Why? I'm American and I really hate bacon. I like cheeseburgers as much as the next American, but fuck that bacon shit. Honestly, that sounds like a Southern thing to me, and as someone who actually grew up in the South, I fucking hate most Southern food. Don't try to pass Southern shit food off as "American", especially that pork rind crap. No one else in the country wants to eat that shit, only stupid hick Southerners (and even then, only some of them; don't get me wrong, not all Southerners have such horrible taste in food).
You might as well make a law saying people must be happy to eat oysters to be a "real American"... except that most Americans don't, it's something popular mainly on the east coast.
Face it, there's no food that's uniquely American that almost all of America actually likes, unless it's so popular that it's been exported all over the place (like hamburgers).
Your party must arrive with a grown woman who is willing to be seen by non-family males while wearing only sandals, short shorts, and a tank top. All members of your party must be willing to shake hands with non-family members of the opposite sex.
Then you'll have to kick out a whole bunch of conservative Christian Americans, especially Mormons and worse, Amish.
If not highly fluent in English, you must be highly fluent in a language that is NOT among the 10 most popular in the United States.
What does this mean for all the Cajuns in Louisiana? Are you going to kick them out too? I guess the Amish and native Hawai'ians are lucky they also speak English (maybe the Cajuns do too, I'm not sure though). And what about all the people who speak English, but with such a horrible accent that it's completely incomprehensible to standard English speakers? Like all those white people from the mountains of Appalachia, or white Southerners from anywhere in the Deep South?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @11:05PM (1 child)
I'm American and I really hate bacon.
Ha! Sleeper terrorist detected!
:)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:10AM
This is why we need more than bacon. Test for immigration: must consume sweetbreads and headcheese and Rocky Mountain oysters.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @08:01AM (4 children)
I could sort of go for kicking people out, but natural citizens with no other citizenship really are the rightful owners of this place. That includes the defective ones.
If they get a second citizenship though, yeah, good riddance.
Somebody arriving here as an immigrant is asking us for a favor. We can and should hold them to a higher standard.
As for the bacon... how about shrimp or a nice pork chop instead? That'd do. If you won't eat either of those, there is a diet problem likely related to some sort of religious or religion-like belief system.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:26PM
The Tick That Gives People Meat Allergies Is Spreading [soylentnews.org].
But yeah, deport 'em all! Can't eat bacon? Can't eat a pork chop? Deport 'em! I don't care if they're a natural born citizen with no other citizenship in the world. God wouldn't have bitten them with a tick if god didn't want them deported! Deport 'em all!!eleven!1!
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:33PM (2 children)
Somebody arriving here as an immigrant is asking us for a favor. We can and should hold them to a higher standard.
Except your "higher standard" is complete and utter bullshit: bacon is garbage. So who gets to mandate the "higher standard"? And how is it fair to not hold citizens to anything remotely like that standard? If you put me in charge of the standards, they'll have to show a love of progressive rock music from the 70s and road cycling and a high disdain for American-brand cars, rap music, country music, and pickup trucks, for instance. And my tastes are probably not at all unusual for countless white Americans living in large metro areas.
how about shrimp or a nice pork chop instead?
I hate pork chops. In fact, I really don't like anything with pork; it's a rather nasty-tasting meat. Shrimp is good, but liking shrimp is not at all unique to America. Why the fixation on diet choices anyway? Are you anti-Jewish?
(Score: 2) by KGIII on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:09PM
I retired and moved to a backwoods place in NW, Maine. I should add that I'm so Native American that Canada has to let me in. My tribe is mostly located in NS, CAN, and is the Micmac tribe. They are also from Maine and were out on the other islands.
Anyhow, someone once asked me why I emigrated to Maine. They were being polite and just curious. I told them that I was returning to my home.
It took years for the locals to adjust to me - and I didn't make it easy. I still call them The Village People, 'cause they live in the village and I'm quite a ways out, in an unincorporated township. They've adjusted and accepted me. Now, when I call them The Village People, I point out that I'm the Indian.
I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, but it takes time and effort to acclimate to a new community, to adhere to new social norms, and it takes effort on both parts. It's not quite a different country but it's a very different culture than many would expect. I knew that I was accepted when they started telling me the gossip, instead of the gossip being about me. When I was having my house built, they would show up and watch it being constructed.
It was pretty different but I'm happy to be here.
Again, I'm not sure there's anything deep in this message but that's my best example of assimilation. I've traveled a great deal but this is different because I am intending to remain here. I changed some, they changed some, and we're a happy group of people.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @08:49PM
Muslims, Jews, and Hindus all have dietary restrictions. This is unacceptable.
Having a bacon cheeseburger indicates that you don't care about that stuff.
If somebody is allergic or hates the taste, oh well. This is rare. We have no duty to accept outsiders. People with allergies and picky eating are trouble anyway.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:09PM
Blasphemy!!!!
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Monday June 26 2017, @11:08PM (2 children)
WTH are you talking about? It is not easy to migrate to the U.S. as a professional, compared to countries that uses a point based system like Oz or Canada. You need basically a job sponsorship or lots of money. If that is not choosy I don't know what is.
Yes, there are loads of Indian tech companies abusing this by arbitrage and that is only because there are AMERICAN partners willing to support this, but that is an implementation/enforcement problem. The policy itself is actually relatively pretty choosy for an individual who wants to follow the process to the letter of the law.
You must mean refugee migrants..
(Score: 5, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:54AM (1 child)
I don't get how people are dumb enough to buy into the immigrant FUD. It's obviously the American businessman who sold us out. Paco, Habib and Samir didn't come to the USA, walk into our places of employment and take our place. No, the employer saw an opportunity to pay those guys next to nothing and LURED them here (and in some cases directly bring them in). The people get pissed, and the trusty ol anti immigrant narrative is stoked so everyone pays attention to that instead of the men behind the curtain.
The irony is the same red blooded businessmen who actively seek out these low cost employees to replace more costly Americans are put on a pedestal by the same people they are fucking out of a job. God Bless America.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:36PM
yes-- they point somewhere to draw attention from themselves.
What is the phrase? Business leaders are saying something like this while entrenching their positions: I'll let you all fight for second place.
"You" all are the people fighting for the same jobs that they are investing in robots and automation to replace. Maybe not all of them, but even prostitutes won't work for free even if its the only skill they have. Someone's gotta have money. The robots won't likely need prostitutes, nor will the small shell script that replaces many people.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:45AM (1 child)
Can we require that they cook it over a fire started using the bible as kindling? If we're going to stop admitting Muslims, Jew, Hindus, Buddhist and maybe others, let's keep the Christians out, too.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:27PM
Actually, Hindus don't have a problem with eating meat, and they eat meat all the time. It's only the Brahmans, the highest caste, that practices vegetarianism. So a meat-eating requirement for immigration would end up only barring a minority of Hindus (and the ones who are generally the richest and most well-off at that).
The only problem I have with keeping the Christians out is that, while that isn't a completely terrible idea, it's been my observation that American Christians are by far the very worst of the lot in general. What we need is an immigration system where any time a Christian is allowed in, one of our own gets randomly booted out. Since so many American Christians now are followers of Prosperity Gospel, there's a decent chance we'd lose one of them for each Christian immigrant. Even better would be a 1:3 system, where admitting 1 Christian immigrant results in 3 American Christians being deported: we'd reduce the problems with our horrible versions of Christianity, and we'd also reduce our population problems at the same time! As for where to deport them to, Somalia would be a good place: there's no really functional government there which could protest us dropping all these people off there, and these people generally complain a lot about "big government" so Somalia would be a good fit for their worldview.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:50AM
What the blithering hell are you babbling about?!? There are many things that might make me apprehensive about a potential immigrant but abstaining from eating pork is not one of them.
Also, this country does not have a dress code. Are you sure you are an American? Are you really sure?
Sadly, it looks to my eye that you wouldn't be able to pass your own entrance requirements.
While I do think it is a good idea to be friendly and outgoing, I'm not so sure I would make it an actual requirement for entry into the country. Also, there are lots of Americans who don't like shaking hands. Just so you know.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Do you understand what this is supposed to mean? I mean...YOU did write it after all.
Well, thank God! For a second there, I was worried.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:56AM
How about we start with you so you can get that free plane ticket. Buh-bye now.