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posted by martyb on Monday June 26 2017, @08:08PM   Printer-friendly

Associated Press reports:

While 41 percent of Republicans of all ages believe immigrants face a lot of discrimination in the United States, the percentage increases to 60 percent among Republicans between 18 and 29 years old, the survey found. That's a stark contrast to GOP voters 65 and older — only a third of that group says immigrants experience discrimination.

Researchers also found that 74 percent of young whites believe that immigrants are targeted for discrimination a lot, compared to 57 percent of white Americans of all ages. However, among Republicans, only for the youngest group, between 18 and 29, is that view in the majority. Even 30-to-39-year-old Republicans are evenly split, 48 percent to 48 percent, on whether immigrants undergo a lot of discrimination.

[...] "Closed-minded Republicans need to expand their perspective to see how immigrants are helping us all create a better America. I believe that this will change with the younger generation of Republicans," Kromsky said.

[...] According to the PRRI poll, 64 percent of all Americans, regardless of political affiliation and age, believe that immigrants in the U.S. illegally should have a path to citizenship if certain conditions are met; only 16 percent say they should be deported. Among Republicans of all ages, support for a path to citizenship is lower, at 55 percent. But when only Republicans between the ages of 18 to 29 are accounted for, that number rises to 62 percent.

[...] The age gap among Republicans also surfaces on gay rights: 54 percent of Republicans between 18 and 29 believe that gay and lesbian couples should marry, while half as many Republicans older than 65 agree. Younger GOP supporters are more closely aligned with the majority of Americans than their older counterparts: Overall, 58 percent of Americans support gay marriage. However, they are far from the average among young people of all political leanings: 74 percent of them support gay marriage.

From the same source, comes news on a class-action suit challenging a once-secret government program that delayed immigration and citizenship applications by Muslims; a suit that was okayed by a judge in Seattle:

U.S. District Judge Richard Jones in Seattle on Wednesday denied the Justice Department's request to dismiss the lawsuit, which was filed in February by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project.

The lawsuit claims the government since 2008 has used the Controlled Application Review and Resolution Program to blacklist thousands of applications for asylum, legal permanent residency or citizenship as national security concerns.

The program imposes criteria on the applications that go far beyond what Congress has authorized, including holding up some applications if the applicants donated to Muslim charities or traveled [sic] to Muslim-majority countries, the complaint alleges.

The program was not publicly discovered until 2012, when an immigration officer discussed it during testimony in a different lawsuit. Immigrant rights advocates then filed Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to force U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to turn over more information about it, the lawsuit said.

In addition to challenging the program, the lawsuit seeks to block any other "extreme vetting" that President Donald Trump's administration might impose as an updated version of it.


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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:37AM (19 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:37AM (#531670) Journal

    Technically, you're right. There are no forced conversions. The Muslim jihadist will give you a choice. Convert, or die. It's entirely up to you whether you convert. You don't have to convert. He won't whip you with a cat of nine tails until you convert. It's very, very simple. Convert, or die. If you tell him that you're a Christian or a Jew, he MAY just enslave you. But, it boils down to convert, or die. That is in the Quran, ordered by the pedophile who would be a prophet.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:56AM (18 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:56AM (#531681) Journal

    So, it's just the same as the Christians, the Hasmonean Jews, Not-at-all-gay Fundies and Republicans? What's the matter, Runaway? Think they will force you to believe something that just ain't so? Reasonable fear, given what Fox News has been able to do to you so far. In fact, I think all these "Islam is not a religion" coward types have gotten to you, as well. All it takes is fear, not actual whippage, and you jump on the "denounce Islam" bandwagon? You've been force-converted, Runaway. Try to break free. Think for yourself.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:19AM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:19AM (#531691)

      Are you familiar with the Westboro Baptist Church? They are the ones who protest with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs.

      Islam makes the Westboro Baptist Church members look like bleeding heart liberals, progressive and SJW to the max. If you don't mind Islam, you'll love the Westboro Baptist Church.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:36AM (7 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:36AM (#531696) Journal

        My sign says, "God hates Flags!" All of them! Of course, you have no idea what you are talking about. Westborough are just a tad extreme for Baptists, and do not even get anywhere close to Pentecostals or Assembly of God types, or the Calvary Chapel! These are the religions that are aiming to overthrow the Enlightenment achievement of separation of church and state. And of course, Mike Pence is poised to take over, when the Muslins attack and take out Drumpf, and impose Biblical law to save us from the nasty, nasty muslins. Yes, Christianity has given up on the idea of Christendom, that kind of fell apart during the Thirty Years War in Europe, but the hope remains in America!

        So, silly AC, it is not that I don't mind monotheistic fantasies, it is just that I do not see them as any kind of threat to rational thought. Runaway, not quite being rational, is scared. So try to help him gain some courage of some convictions, do not scare him further with Baptists!

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:21PM (6 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:21PM (#531910) Journal

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U144Haddt5o [youtube.com]

          It's amazing that you (ab)use the name of a philosopher, but you can't distinguish between a religion whose founder orders his followers to kill all nonbelievers - and another religion whose founder orders you to love your neighbor as you love yourself. You should probably register a new account, and give this one up.

          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:25PM (5 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:25PM (#532078) Journal

            Sorry, Runaway, I do not click on undescribed youtube links posted by anti-religious zealots, or people consumed by a hatred of a semitic religion. Maybe it is time you quit posting on things you know little about, but have some pathological fear of. Just saying.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:46PM (4 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:46PM (#532195) Journal

              If you prefer to remain ignorant, that is your choice. Don't click. It's Youtube, FFS - do you think it's full of malware?

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Wednesday June 28 2017, @04:35AM (3 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @04:35AM (#532278) Journal

                It's Youtube, FFS - do you think it's full of malware?

                I don't know, Runaway. But you linked it, and I don't want it to do to me what it did to you!

                I had a mentor tell me once that investigating things like the ethics of violence ran the danger of titillation, that attempting to discuss something like violence in a religion ran the risk of turning into a form of atrocity porn. Fundies are great for this. One of the grossest websites I have ever come across was fundie who was saying, "Just look at how perverted and terrible this is!" I had to admit, it was quite the collection of perversity! Must of taken lots of time and concentration to collect just that much perversion, all in one place. Same thing for the islamophobes. I really suspect they want to be able to stone, defenestrate, and decapitate peoples, since they focus on it so much. Are you alright, Runaway? There are people who can help.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:47PM (2 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:47PM (#532471) Journal

                  "I had a mentor tell me once "

                  So, wait. You had a mentor, who told you that investigating stuff for yourself could damage your delicate psyche - and you believed him?

                  Well - after a bit of thought, it's pretty obvious that you do have a delicate psyche. A lot of women used to have "vapors", but today progressives have delicate psyches. That helps to explain a lot of things about this turkey who professes to be a philosopher.

                  Please, Ari, you don't want to read any of Tolstoy's works. You'll be severely damaged.

                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Wednesday June 28 2017, @07:43PM (1 child)

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @07:43PM (#532596) Journal

                    Never had a mentor, did you, Runaway? It shows. The question is not damage, it is the loss of control. Think of islamophobe videos like heroin; yes, one hit will not damage you, you can quit whenever you want. But at some point you have changed, you no longer can quit. You start posting islamophobic drivel all over the internet: BECAUSE YOU LOST CONTROL! That is the damage, but it is one I avoid not because I am too weak or sensitive, but because my mind is strong enough to keep itself on a healthy diet. I recommend the same for you, Runaway. Although it may already be too late.

                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:27PM

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:27PM (#532690) Journal

                      Don't worry about control - obviously, someone is controlling you already.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:57AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:57AM (#531719)

        You're aware that the Westboro Baptist Church aren't the only Christians who hold similar beliefs?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:23AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:23AM (#531748)

          No! I wasn't aware of that at all! Maybe because I am not stupid enough to live in Kansas? "Brownback", "Brokeback", it's all the same to me.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:28PM (#531894)

            Well, this provides a solution. I say we deport Kansas!

    • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:43AM (5 children)

      by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:43AM (#531774) Journal

      LOL riiight, how many christians have shoved a gay off a building this week? Know any Baptists or Jews that have done any suicide bombings? I'll just leave this here [youtube.com], not that you have the actual ability to learn anything that doesn't fit with your political narrative sadly, what with having been programmed to be a beta filled with self loathing by a higher education system that was taken over by Marxists years ago [youtube.com]. This is why two groups, Islamists and progressives, get along so well BTW, both want the destruction of the west, just for different reasons.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:57AM (2 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:57AM (#531784) Journal

        Ah, once again, the Hairyfeet Challenge! Can you reboot your culture without it puking its guts right back at you, you aged hippy? I am disgusted by your bigotry! You carried the promise of the Age of Aquarius, the smell of Woodstock, Flower Power, the sexual revolution, and this, at long last, is all you are left with. A fear of a medieval version of a monotheistic religion, the same one that the Children of the Sixties rebelled against, and won! way back when. You are the Old Republican characterized in the study, Hairy, look into the mirror. You have become your father, Hairyfeet.

        (Oh, and at least Marxist can read, and do math. It is called, "economics")

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Hairyfeet on Sunday July 02 2017, @08:44PM (1 child)

          by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Sunday July 02 2017, @08:44PM (#534242) Journal

          Why don't you tell everyone about how you hope the white race is destroyed? You certainly had no qualms bragging about it before. C'mon cuck, lets hear your racist diatribes against all people that look like you do in the mirror.

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          ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday July 02 2017, @09:06PM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday July 02 2017, @09:06PM (#534252) Journal

            Hairyfeet! My, how you have fallen from the old days of shilling for Microsoft! You are reduced to this? OK, to make you feel better, I call for the White Genocide! Yep, kill whitey! Because, you know, there really are no "white" people. There are Britons, and Saxons, and Gaels, and Friesians, and Belgians, and Franks and Goths and Slovenians. Race is not culture, nor ethnicity, nor national identity. So I say, kill it. Death to the White Race, and may it never raise its ugly head again! Death to what never really existed in the first place. Now I hope you, my dear and furry Feet with Hair person, do not identify with this artificial category of skin color, because that would make you racist. And that is about the worst thing an old Hippy can end up being. Say "Hi!" to Archie Bunker for me, Meathead!

      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:40PM (1 child)

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:40PM (#531898) Journal

        Oh fuck you. At one point after my daddy threw me out of his home and he learned that I hadn't starved to death in a gutter yet, he was threatening to drive to my apartment 50 miles away and finish the job himself.

        My daddy isn't the only Christian who's threatened me with violence upon realizing that I'm not the womyn-born-womyn I appear to be. How dare you suggest that Christians are pro-LGBT?

        And what do you assholes constantly cite, when you're not being disingenuous hypocrites and suggesting you're pro-LGBT? You cite acceptance of trans women and gay men as your evidence of “Marxism.” You assholes bought into the feminist narrative hook, line, and sinker about bathroom rape. Go to hell.

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday June 28 2017, @10:23AM

          by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @10:23AM (#532355) Journal

          I have absolutely nothing to add to this. The "Hairyfeet Challenge" has been definitively answered by kurenai. I hope to never hear of it again.