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The US Supreme Court has partially lifted an injunction against President Donald Trump's travel ban.
The Supreme Court said in Monday's ruling: "In practical terms, this means that [the executive order] may not be enforced against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States.
"All other foreign nationals are subject to the provisions of [the executive order]."
Mark this down as a win for Donald Trump. The path to entry into the US for immigrants and refugees from the affected nations, if they don't have existing ties to the US - either through family, schools or employment - just became considerably harder.
The decision marks a reaffirmation of the sweeping powers the president has traditionally been granted by the courts in areas of national security. There was fear in some quarters that the administration's ham-fisted implementation of its immigration policy could do lasting damage to the president's prerogatives. That appears not to be the case.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by jmorris on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:15PM (49 children)
Everyone (at least those close to sane) fully expected SCOTUS to overturn the lawless Ninth Circus so that really isn't news. They knew they would be overturned, they are trying to invent a new power to impose a delay and cost on any Executive Order that the Cathedral doesn't like. No, what was truly newsworthy was the 9-0 vote with the only dissent being from Justices who wanted to make this a simple "toss it out of court" rebuke to the Ninth. When you can't even get R.B.G. or one of the other Progressives, you know you overreached bigtime, and the Ninth, the Media and the Hollywierd Left were all fully invested in the idea this was such an obviously unconstitutional order that it called for mass resistance. Nope. 9-0.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:47PM (3 children)
I've been trying to find out what the vote was, but the mass media I read didn't report on that. 9-0. I don't know if the ban makes sense, but the relevant law is clear that the president can arbitrarily ban foreigners from the country.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 28 2017, @05:24AM (2 children)
jmorris is on crack.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 28 2017, @05:52AM (1 child)
Oh no, I would bet the man is as sober as I am, the one who never takes anything stronger than coffee. It is possible to be so completely insane that the notional data type holding your SAN score suffers integer underflow, and it would not at all surprise me if this is what happened here.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 28 2017, @07:37AM
Thanks for reminding me about my lack of morning coffee, though!
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1) by diaz on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:07PM (1 child)
Depends on how you slice it. Six justices upheld part of it. Three (Thomas, Gorsuch and Alito) wanted no restrictions. Regardless, this isn't an actual "decision".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by KGIII on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:48PM
While not a decision, it does seem to indicate intent. This is a good thing, in my opinion. The intent being that we will allow the application of powers regardless of political affiliation.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:25PM (35 children)
Close to Sane? Hell, I can't find it on the map. Wonder how far away I am . . .
I think everyone arguing for unrestricted immigration should be forced to take a Muslim home. They would probably be in Sane pretty quickly!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:00PM (7 children)
A better idea is. If you can't handle the person admitted as a immigrant next door then don't force someone else to have that experience. Same goes for workplace colleagues.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:27PM (6 children)
I am not in favour of Trump's travel ban. In fact, I do volunteer work with refugees, helping them to acclimate to American life. Many of them are Muslim; I also have work colleagues who are Muslim. I can handle having them as neighbours just fine, thanks. I would suggest that you really should venture out of your cocoon and meet some new people; you might even find the experience enjoyable. Just sayin'.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:02PM (5 children)
"Favour"... I think that speaks volumes to to proposition that your allegiances lie elsewhere than U.S. national security. When your Muslim colleagues start growing beards and wearing robes to work, make sure you have a good preplanned escape route in case one of them has an allahu akbar moment. Here in the U.S. we natives aren't all that eager to follow down the U.K. or mainland Europe's path to self destruction.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:48PM (2 children)
Especially with the history the "natives" have with regard to the real natives of America.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:58PM (1 child)
Last I checked, no branch of Homo Sapiens evolved in the Americas. We all came here at one time. My family has been here since before the U.S. existed. So, yes, I consider myself one of those natives.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:12PM
You're claiming to be a viking, then?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @12:31AM (1 child)
Original AC responding:
The flaw in your thinking is that you believe that you are safer leaving them "over there", rather than letting (some of) them "in here". I think that is a rather dubious proposition. Leaving the problem to fester over there is not a good idea, IMHO. Right now, there are at least two countries that are essentially lawless because of Daesh. If we don't take some of the pressure off, others will almost certainly tumble and fall. Right now, somewhere around 25% of the population of Lebanon are refugees; it seems almost inevitable that they will be headed for another civil war within the next ten to twenty years. There are ominous signs that Turkey is suffering under the strain as well. And Jordan, one of the most pro-western countries in the Middle East, has over half a million refugees inside their borders. We can ill afford to let Jordan slip into chaos. And, regarding national security, refugees and other immigrants are already put through an extensive vetting process, Trump's assertions notwithstanding.
My Muslim colleagues are fine people. Frankly, they are almost certainly much classier than you will ever be. Just sayin'.
Native American, are you? Well, since even before we became the United States of America we have been a nation of immigrants. Deal with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @01:32AM
Aaaand your response is left empty, with the alt-right xenophobes desperately trying to rationalize your words away.
I'm not for completely unregulated immigration, but people like Runaway are just scared people imagining the worst case scenarios. I wonder how much talk radio he listens to, hmmmm.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:15PM (17 children)
No one is arguing for unrestricted immigration. They are arguing against blacklisting entire nations because a few loonies committed terrorism. It won't do anything to stop terrorism and is nothing more than fear mongering and pandering to ignorant scaredy cats like you. Security theater at its finest. We have close to 16,000 people murdered in the USA per year. Mostly all by non-muslim CITIZENS. So excuse me if I don't buy into the fear mongering bullshit.
How would that change their mind? I know a few and they are all regular people. Their food is pretty damn good too. I thank Allah for their delicious chicken and rice carts/stores.
How about you go live with a muslim and watch how quickly they are repulsed by your narrow mindedness and lack of compassion. Would do you some good to step out of your tiny reality bubble.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:50PM
They live on fear, if they step out of their bubble their minds will shrivel up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:50PM (1 child)
This is part of the problem: Pew Poll: 42% of Muslim Youth in France ALWAYS Support Suicide ... [thegatewaypundit.com] The problem is that terrorism is just a indicator on top of the iceberg. There is essentially a lot of problems with Muslims and no significant upside. Too many mosques and "schools" works as a tools for indoctrination that will only end with armed conflict.
(warning for a really bloody picture from the massacre at the Bataclan concert hall in 2015)
Only a few loonies commit terrorism now. But they increase as a percentage over time and they above all have passive and active support in their own communities. Besides there's no reason to permit them into the country.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:08PM
They live on fear of being labeled -ist, if they step out of their bubble their minds will shrivel up.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:35PM (7 children)
Hey, I'd be O.K. with a travel ban on Oklahoma, after that whole McVeigh business that should be ample grounds, right? How about Osama's home country, lots of al Queda in there too, gotta nip that problem in the bud before it can happen again, etc. etc. etc.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:48PM (6 children)
McVeigh wasn't an Okie, dumbass, he was a New Yorker.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:11PM (4 children)
Even better, we should build a wall around the seven boroughs, shouldn't we?
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:42PM
We should! And it's a good thing, as it looks like the promotional materials are coming in just at the right time [deadline.com].
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:15PM (2 children)
Seven boroughs? The five boroughs plus jersey and connecticut?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:00PM (1 child)
At the very least, I think we can all agree that we should build a wall around New Jersey.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 28 2017, @12:57AM
They celebrated when the Twin Towers fell. Thousands of them got up on the rooftops and partied. Shameful!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @07:53PM
But he was a Muslin, born in Kenya! Did you notice the first reports said Muslin terror, but then that was buried rather quickly? Like, almost too quickly? Think about it! (Should we go for "SoylentWars" or "InfoNews"?)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:38PM
They are arguing against blacklisting entire nations because a few loonies committed terrorism.
Also doesn't help that the countries loonies have actually come from in the past aren't included...
(Score: 2) by KGIII on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:50PM (1 child)
No. There are people who do argue for unfettered immigration. The search terms you want are 'open borders.'
Absolutes are often silly.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:52PM
As opposed to those arguing for "fettered immigration"? What we tacitly refer to as "slavery"? Goddamned Neo-Confederates!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @03:53AM (2 children)
If this isn't the most GENERIC response to open borders I don't know what is. *I* haven't been stabbed. *I* haven't been robbed. *I* haven't experienced anything bad, *I* don't know who these people are who have. *I'm* so progressive, read my social media, I'm a beacon of light and tolerance.
And for those of us that can see beyond the tip of our nose and read news from across the ocean we see a pattern. A pattern that every single country, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, that has accepted the flood has had a rise in violent crime and "brutal" rapes. Sweden, the "most tolerant", is the rape capital of Europe and very high on the world's list. Sweden is set to be a 3rd world country by 2030. Fucking Sweden! Germany has such a rape epidemic that they no longer write down the ethnicity of the attacker because it's "racist" (imagine how many are caught then). The guy who had the "sexual emergency" and raped the child, and the blew my brain out the back of my head when I read this, the supreme court overturned the conviction saying the child could have "consented" (seriously look this one up for yourself).
The issue isn't just the refugees themselves (more accurately economic migrants according to UN laws), it's all the apologists like you. Giving them a pass to assault/steal/rape as it's their "culture" and allowing their "religion" in our schools after we finally got christianity out.
Keep watching your comedy-news and pretend you have a clue what's going on in the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @07:07AM
What? How can you say this?
I thought it was consensual! Did you not want me all up in you? Well, you certainly should have said something! And now you are using our love to plaster a whole group of people fleeing for their lives from certain death? Well, you are certainly not who you presented yourself as when you first tried to seduce me! If I had known you were an alt-right skinhead, I never would have fucked you. So consider that taken back.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:59AM
I have been attacked with a knife in my own neighborhood.
I have. At knife and gunpoint.
See above.
I know plenty.
Who isn't? Without progress, you have stagnation.
I don't do social media.
It's called "Don't bother me and I won't bother you."
First you come at me with this weak generic attack calling me generic while completely missing all of your marks (major fail). Now you're telling me you see patterns. Please.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by richtopia on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:40PM (1 child)
Thank you for convincing me that zero immigration at all is the correct choice. I want zero additional people living in my home!
Well, perhaps we should permit bikini supermodel immigration. Case by case basis of course.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 28 2017, @01:45AM
That's what we need and that was my plan, an UGLY BAN. Not the watered down, politically correct version the Justice Dept. submitted to S.C. Going to seek much tougher version. And when the supermodels come in, I get first dibs!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:07PM (2 children)
Way, way off the map, Runaway! In fact, I have placed Muslims in your town, under your bed, and in your closet. They will disappear if you can find your way to sanity. We are all pulling for you, Runaway! As Dan Quayle (Republican) said, "It is a terrible thing to lose your mind".
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:33PM (1 child)
""It is a terrible thing to lose your mind"."
That, and "It takes a village to raise an idiot." The lefties sure have a lot of cute little homilies that make no sense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:59PM
I am sorry for your loss.
(Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Wednesday June 28 2017, @06:27AM (3 children)
Good idea, one of the quickest ways to get over bigotry is to be exposed to those who you're bigoted to. In your case, perhaps serving with them. Once a Muslim saves your ass, you might realize they're people too.
As for totally unrestricted immigration, is anyone actually arguing for that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @07:11AM
Not going to work on Runaway. The only non-white in his Navy was Ethanol_fueled, and he was a Spic. And they were never in actual combat, just long, long sea voyages, with nothing much to do. Just saying.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 28 2017, @02:33PM (1 child)
Yeah, Major Hassan saved a lot of people, didn't he? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/gunman-kills-wounds-fort-hood/ [nbcnews.com]
I'm glad you understand about serving with fellow Americans. I learned to respect a lot of different people. Puerto Ricans, Phillipinos, Mexicans, black and white Americans, males and females, a gay (You read that correctly, ONE gay man, out of a couple dozen gays I met in the Navy, earned respect from me. No drama queens were able to do that.)
And, yeah, I do respect all of the Muslims who served beside me. Let me count them up. 0 plus 0, times 0, divided by 0 - whoops, my calculator is throwing an error.
Oh, I understand. The calculator is smart enough to know that Muslims aren't American.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @04:03PM
"Muslims aren't American"
Saving that quote for when you need a reminder that you can be a total idiot. At such times you should drop the macho bullshit act as if you're the paragon everyone aspires to be, stop throwing tantrums and listen to what people are telling you. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:34PM
The decision has not been overturned. The Supreme Court has decided to hear the case in October. Meanwhile, they have a granted a lifting of the injunction for some people. The final word will probably be out some time next year, if they decide to pass judgment on the issues after the completion of the stated reason for the ban (a 90 day review) has rendered the specific case moot.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Ramze on Tuesday June 27 2017, @08:03PM (5 children)
The stay on the ban wasn't overturned -- it was temporarily partially lifted, but severely restricted. SCOTUS has yet to hear the case.
The decision to TAKE the case was 9-0, but the decision to partially LIFT THE STAY was 6-3. Hardly unanimous.
This wasn't a "win" for Trump, though he wants to spin it that way. All it does is allow the ban to be enforced for those coming from those countries if they have no family, residency, work, school, or other significant ties to the US to give them reason to be in the US. The main opposition to the ban was from companies (Microsoft and Oracle for example) who were concerned their VISA-holding employees and their families wouldn't be able to return to work from a trip overseas.
This basically grandfathers in every VISA holder and their families and anyone who wants to come to the USA to visit close family as well as anyone who has been offered a job, been accepted at a university or even invited by a university or business to visit for whatever legitimate purpose.
So... what's left to ban exactly? Vacationers? Potential immigrants who haven't been offered a job yet? It's one thing to say one is allowed to scrutinize to this level, but it's another to implement. (How exactly are they going to verify someone doesn't have the ties they claim to have? Are they going to hold someone in a cell until they get verification from a Fortune 500 company or University that they were indeed invited to speak at an event?) I doubt they bother with it until the SCOTUS case is settled sometime about a year from now.
Talk about a hollow, temporary victory.
(Score: 2, Informative) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:39PM (3 children)
Good rule of thumb on this site: Whatever jmorris says, the exact opposite is true.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @01:38AM (2 children)
It really is starting to look that way. I'm guessing he's far out on the ocd/aspergers/whatever spectrum and has a good handle on tech stuff, but social issues are such a mess that he just gets his worldview straight from conservative talking heads. Or maybe he just googles his favorite sites and cobbles together an answer, not vetting the sources for sings of "fakery". The possibilities are endless with someone so wacked from reality.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 28 2017, @05:57AM (1 child)
No, AC, J-Mo is an honest to goodness alt-reich goose-stepper. I've seen him drop "dindunuffin," for example, and he's outright said he wants to burn the nation down and start over. Peruse his search history to get an idea of what kind of person it is we're dealing with here.
Please understand, there is real evil in this world, and it takes the shape of humans at times. In every era there are people who have willingly made themselves vessels for the devouring void between the stars, and this is one of them.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @04:05PM
Pretty sure he was a cryogenically frozen Hitler Youth.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 28 2017, @05:46AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves