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posted by cmn32480 on Tuesday June 27 2017, @02:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the who-watches-the-retractions dept.

From Breitbart:

Another day, another very fake news story from the network President Donald Trump has identified as "very fake news."

CNN's Thomas Frank on Thursday evening published what would have been considered an explosive report if remotely true: One anonymous source told him both the Treasury Department and Senate Intelligence Committee are probing a Russian investment fund with ties to several senior finance world leaders close to President Trump. Only problem? Both Trump administration officials and those close to Senate GOP leadership say it's simply untrue.

The retraction from CNN:

On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund.
That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted. Links to the story have been disabled. CNN apologizes to Mr. Scaramucci.

According to BuzzFeed News, CNN has responded by actually requiring executives to review stories:

CNN is imposing strict new publishing restrictions for online articles involving Russia after the network deleted a story and then issued a retraction late Friday, according to an internal email obtained by BuzzFeed News.

The email went out at 11:21 a.m. on Saturday from Rich Barbieri, the CNNMoney executive editor, saying "No one should publish any content involving Russia without coming to me and Jason," a CNN vice president.

At least now we'll know who to blame.


[Ed Note: I debated leaving this in politics or dropping it to the main page. I opted for the latter because politics or not, the prevalence of "fake news" is one that we deal with on a daily basis from our respective social media feeds to all the major broadcast and cable news networks. How are we to tell what is "fake" and what is actually (relatively) "true"? The main stream media all put their spin on everything. A right slant for some, a left slant for others. Is the truth somewhere in between, or is it a story that we aren't getting becasue the mainstream media is so intent on telling their narrative that we the people are getting the shit end of the stick regardless of where we get the so called news?]

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:48PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:48PM (#531964)

    You know how you can recognize a publication that's not "fake news"?

    If they discover that a report was false or unsupported, they retract the story and issue an apology.

    I wish to mod TFS as -1, Flamebait.

    Starting Score:    0  points
    Moderation   +5  
       Flamebait=1, Insightful=4, Informative=2, Total=7
    Extra 'Insightful' Modifier   0  

    Total Score:   5  
  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:04PM (18 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:04PM (#531976) Journal

    Consider who's running the place though. This site has a serious alt-right infestation, so none of this surprises me.

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    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:16PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:16PM (#531988)

      It may simple be so that people used to structure and order will as a consequence have a specific spectrum of political opinions.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:26PM (#531994)

        Lol structure and order? Cause godless heathen libruls are law breaking demon spawn?

        Religion truly is a cancer these days. If only it didn't inspire such terror in believers who then translate that existential terror into the real world.

    • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:38PM (15 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @04:38PM (#532005)

      It is time to give up, let SN go its own way. It is obvious that prolonged discussions are leading to larger divisions and no one here is going to budge on their beliefs. SN is the nerds version of The_Donald on reddit, either shills pushing a larger agenda or idiots defending dinosaur ideas. Either way it would be better to get it over with and let the site swing to its desired extreme. Maybe they'll get tired of swimming in their own crap once they realize all they want is an echo chamber.

      I mean really, after all we've learned about breitbart how is it not blacklisted as a source of articles? Anyone who says otherwise is intellectually deficient / dishonest / or a gutless shill. Why even pretend to discuss anything? The lines have been drawn and no one is crossing over.

      Discussion? Ha! Intelligent debate? Ha! Fairness? hahaha!

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:03PM (10 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:03PM (#532017) Journal

        Yeah, as much as I hated the green septic tank (Splashpot: News For Turds, Stuff That Splatters!), this place has disappeared up its own ass. At this point I'm almost hoping someone hacks it and wipes it off the face of the earth, and considering the hopes I had for this place, that's just...tragic.

        Nice going, rightards, like everything else you touch, you've turned SN to shit. Jesus that was fast.

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        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:30PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:30PM (#532026)

          You say this, and yet look at all the angry (but very dashing and devastatingly handsome, in a not-at-all-cisnormative way) people showing up from the left to complain about how hard-right soylentnews is. This is what burst bubbles look like. For every Mighty Buzzard, there's an ikanreed. For every Ethanol_Fueled there's an Azuma Hazuki. For every khallow there's a turgid, and so on and so forth.

          And for every gewg there's an anonymous coward.

          Soylentnews is, in my view, doing its job surprisingly well. The fact that this makes people sad is a side-effect of their safe zones imploding.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:49PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:49PM (#532041) Journal

            Oh horse apples, wake me up when we get even 1/10th as many lunatic hard-left stories from people like gewg as we do all of Uzzards alt-reich bullshit. Seriously, motherfucking Breitbart? Why don't we just start linking Infowars and Stormfront and get it over with?!

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:24PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:24PM (#532166)

            ^ there is an obvious bias from admins / editors that lets this bullshit in. TMB outright stated that he comments and submits stories specifically to troll people. So not only are the comments seeded by trolls who detract from decent discussions but the accepted stories are doing the same! The inflammatory comments that spin off into bullshit are tiresome. I have submitted stories that don't make it through, and with garbage from breitbart regularly making it in I can only surmise that it is due to partisan approvals.

            While there are liberals around there has been a focused effort to drive them away and steer the discussions. A while back garbage posts were regularly downmodded, but conservatives were hurt in their feelz because so many of their beliefs belong in the 20th century at best. Liberal garbage would also get downmodded, but according to the poor babies who don't like criticism and rational thinking that is "fake news."

            Conservative types here are just riding a circle jerk wave, once people get bored or turned off by the alt-right shading then you can have one big circle jerk where you pile on the one or two liberal types that poke their heads out.

            Sad.

            • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday June 27 2017, @11:55PM

              While there are liberals around there has been a focused effort to drive them away and steer the discussions. A while back garbage posts were regularly downmodded, but conservatives were hurt in their feelz because so many of their beliefs belong in the 20th century at best.

              I disagree. While I'm not a communist, I lean a bit further left than the BernMeister General.

              I speak my mind here and, while I do end up arguing with the rightys, it's usually (well, except for Runaway, but he's a special case) pretty respectful even though we disagree pretty strongly.

              On occasion I've had folks mod me down rather than respond rationally to arguments which include those nasty things we call "facts" and "evidence," but that's been the exception rather than the rule.

              In the end, if you're too thin-skinned to back up your rhetoric with argument and facts, then you probably should just lurk. Regardless, please post whatever you want, whenever you want -- because that's what freedom of expression is about.

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              No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @08:45AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2017, @08:45AM (#532332)

            yet look at all the angry (but very dashing and devastatingly handsome, in a not-at-all-cisnormative way) people showing up from the left to complain about how hard-right soylentnews is.

            You know, the hard-right seems rather flacid here, kind of "limp-dick" "OMG Sharia Law" cowards with no real manhood to speak of. The share this with the cultural Turks, who cannot control themselves if a woman has hair exposed. Guess that is why they were so afraid of Hilary. But in general, men who cannot get it up when need be. Failures. Did you see that post where Eth confessed that he needed boner pills, and Obamacare refused to pay for them, and he was sent to psycho-counselling? Same thing happened to Runaway, although it involved "bestiality", which is, after all, a crime against Nature in Arkansas.

            So, how hansome are you, AC? Dashing and devastating, but in a Milo Youwannasuckmycock kinda way? We can make allowances, but first you have to drop all the right-wing shit. Having Newt Gringrinch as your wing-man really crimps your style. Just saying.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by art guerrilla on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:54PM (3 children)

          by art guerrilla (3082) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:54PM (#532046)

          1. oh, so you have no part in the production of this shit storm here you claim is so overwhelming ? ? ?
          all dem blue-eyed-debbils-wid-a-dewlap's fault...
          sure it is...
          2. hardly seems to have a purpose to inform authoritarian-type kampers (libtard or conservatard) who want to proscribe free speech (ie NOT free speech) that such efforts are against all natural, constitutional, and rational rights to exist as a human bean...
          (oh, but who will think of the feels of .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population, or -you know- on their behalf ! ! !)
          3. i just don't get it, sure, the one example someone cited of a discussion gruppe admin shitting in his 'own' nest until it drove off everyone, is problematic, but -as far as i can see- pretty much vanishingly rare to the point of being a non-problem...
          4. IF you are such a homo snowflakian that you simply can't abide ANY/ALL of your adversaries postings, then maybe something is wrong with you...
          (irrespective of whether there is anything 'wrong' with them...)
          5. this insanity of both blaming The Other of the 99% for the ills of society (hint: its the EMPIRE of the .1%, you fucking morons), as well as wishing them total and complete annihilation, is both doing the dirty work of Empire, as well as forestalling confronting and dismantling Empire...
          (not to mention immoral, but that shit don't matter anymore...)
          6. it IS really this simple: if you are NOT for the RIGHT of EVERYONE to make their OWN decisions (smart/stupid, good/evil, fair/unfair, etc), to have their OWN views, their OWN values; then you simply are NOT for freedom at all, are you ? ? ?
          (you are -in fact and in deed- an authoritarian enforcing an orthodoxy that disregards the freedom of others...)
          THAT is doing the heavy-lifting of Empire... if you don't think that Empire will use YOUR simplistic, childish, cloud-cuckooland, censorship schemes to destroy you, too, you are too stupid for words...

          • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:31PM (1 child)

            by digitalaudiorock (688) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:31PM (#532140) Journal

            4. IF you are such a homo snowflakian that you simply can't abide

            ....blah blah blah.

            I mean for Holy God's sake...whoever modded this as Insightful must be trying to prove Azuma's point. And yea...we're citing Breitbart here now? This is news for the brain-dead now apparently?

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:13PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:13PM (#532161) Journal

              This is precisely why I say the degens will prove my point for me better, harder, faster, and stronger than anything I could ever possibly say or do to or about them. And for fuck's sake, being gay is like number 5 or 6 down the list of things that define me.

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              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:28PM (#532170)

            If you'll notice there is a complete lack of people crying for user accounts to be banned. Or for any kind of censorship. Looks like as usual the confucktards are the real snowflakes who must use extreme absurdities to try and make their point. Fail hard, much lose, so stupid.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:29AM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:29AM (#532373) Journal

          I dunno, Azuma. It seems to me you're decrying a general state of affairs. What place online doesn't suffer from this malaise now? Every site I encounter with comments is as divisive.

          It seems to me that it's by design. "Divide, and conquer," such that if you can get everyone screaming at each other in increasing volume then you can keep them from fighting you, which is a great thing to do if you're lizard people who mean to keep stealing everything that isn't nailed down.

          The best counter is to not play that game. Reject the left/right false dichotomy. Take issues singly, in sharp focus, and above all avoid ad hominem remarks and name calling. But also don't be a pushover--when something is erroneous or cruel, respond robustly. It seems to me you do that every day, and I truly appreciate you for it.

          There are real racists on this site. There are a couple true Nazis, too. There are also champions who cross swords with them. I see those expressing increasing dismay lately--you, aristarchus, etc.-- and it makes me sad because it's only when you and those cede the field that everything in the world really does get worse because the worst instincts of the former can then run wild.

          That's even without shenanigans that the lizard people do get up to, like sending saboteurs into gatherings like this to destroy consensus and set everyone at each other's throats. People like us who form these small, bright communities nearly always think nobody would bother with us because we're small and insignificant, but the lizard people do because these places like SN are laboratories where ideas and resistance are sculpted and released into the larger world. I saw it back when I was in the progressive trenches in NYC and they sent agents provocateurs into our midst and tapped our phones, and I'm feeling their tendrils here, now. The ACs stomping their feet and saying how much SN sucks and they're leaving is just one such tactic, meant to peel away real community members with them.

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          Washington DC delenda est.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:25PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:25PM (#532023)

        Anyone who says otherwise is intellectually deficient / dishonest / or a gutless shill. Why even pretend to discuss anything?

        Discussion? Ha! Intelligent debate? Ha! Fairness? hahaha!

        It's comments like this that shut down discussion, Intelligent debate and fairness.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:54PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @09:54PM (#532153)

          Discussion? Ha! Intelligent debate? Ha! Fairness? hahaha!

          It's comments like this that shut down discussion, Intelligent debate and fairness.

          No, it's not! It is article submissions from Breitbart! You cannot discuss things, intelligently or otherwise, with the alt-right! They are only in it for the lulz! And they are fascist, homotrans-phobic, Dark Enlightement, Young Blood transfusing, disruptive tech/eris worshiping, authoritarians. Debate and fairness have nothing to do with it. They can only be mocked. Mocked like a Turtle. Bannon--> McConnell. Makes sense, no?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @10:28PM (#532169)

            ... the alt-right! They are only in it for the eevulz! And they are fascist, omni-phobic...

            A few minor corrections for you, but otherwise spot on. Well done. Was that some kind of attempt at a Left-Poe?

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:32AM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @11:32AM (#532376) Journal

            They can only be mocked.

            No, they can be sliced up like a well-cooked ham. Cut them with razors to the bone. Mince them into little bits of insignificance that melt away in a puddle of their own absurdity. That's what you do with bombast such as you describe. If anything of worth, anything at all, is in them then that is the only way to expose it and make it of value to the world.

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            Washington DC delenda est.
  • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 28 2017, @12:42PM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday June 28 2017, @12:42PM (#532401) Homepage Journal

    It's not great news. It's great news because it was retracted. I like news that wasn't retracted.