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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday July 12 2017, @09:04PM   Printer-friendly
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Microsoft founder Bill Gates has called on Europe to stop demonstrating generosity towards asylum seekers to avoid an overwhelming migrant influx. He also advises European states to make Africans' way to the continent much more difficult.

During an interview Germany's Welt am Sonntag, Gates, one of the richest people on the planet, warned of the grave consequences of exceeding generosity towards refugees coming to Europe, whose numbers would only rise unless something is done.

"On the one hand you want to demonstrate generosity and take in refugees, but the more generous you are, the more word gets around about this – which in turn motivates more people to leave Africa," Gates said.

While Germany has been one of the pioneers of the open door policy, it cannot "take in the huge, massive number of people who are wanting to make their way to Europe." Thus Gates advised European nations to take action in order to make it "more difficult for Africans to reach the continent via the current transit routes."

Source: https://www.rt.com/news/395356-migrants-overwhelm-europe-gates/


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @09:55PM (39 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @09:55PM (#538378)

    For clarification, there are two major groups of immigrants from Africa crossing to Europe: One are North African Arabs (Nafris in German police-speak), the second are sub-Saharan black Africans, who are forced by the racist Arabs to travel in the most dangerous part of the boats.

    Both groups are economic refugees looking either for opportunity or handouts.

    The Arabs aren't persecuted at home unless they have called for violence against the government. A lot of them, instead of lying low in a foreign country, have been noticed negatively being actively offensive to the host population, like the mass groping of Cologne, joining criminal gangs, burning down their hostels because they didn't like the food / their neighbors / the weather or wtf.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Wednesday July 12 2017, @10:25PM (36 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday July 12 2017, @10:25PM (#538394)

    A clarification that added absolutely nothing useful. Doesn't matter, Eastern Europe is making it clear they aren't dumb enough to take ANY of them and Western Europe can't possibly take enough refugees to make a difference without collapsing into failed states as bad as what the rabbits are fleeing. They are already broke sustaining a welfare state for their own people. Even ignoring the jihadi element to the refugee flow, the math simply does not work because Arab or African, they do not integrate and become productive citizens, they do not adopt the local customs and language, they simply burden already stressed social welfare systems. Things are near collapse now, and another recession IS coming so these are the good times before the time of horrors start.

    London is no longer an English city. Roll that concept around in your head a moment, you may need some duct tape to keep yer head from exploding. Things are still good enough that a majority grumble and keep the peace, having too much to lose. Wait for the economic kaboom and see what happens as desperate people cast about for a scapegoat. Ain't going to be pretty, and don't think people won't remember who made it possible.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:10PM (29 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:10PM (#538422) Journal

      London is no longer an English city. Roll that concept around in your head a moment,

      Neither are Boston or New York. Your point? Are you being racist again, jmorris?

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:34PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:34PM (#538435)

        Let's not forget they aren't Native American cities anymore.

        • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:42AM (2 children)

          by jmorris (4844) on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:42AM (#538478)

          Well that is because none of the North American ones could build past the large village stage without drowning in their own waste. Now the ones South of the border managed a few cities.... just don't look to close at the human sacrifice and other abhorrent practices. Kinda hard to condemn the Conquistadors too loudly for wiping them out. And who cares, they were immigrants too, they just got here a little before the Europeans.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:32AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:32AM (#538500)

            Sauce?

            The ones who didn't build cities were hunter gatherers. When you move around you don't waste time building giant structures.

            Spot on with the just immigrants point though. Technically the europeans are the original african migrants.

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:18PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:18PM (#538725)

            You're a doomsday type huh? Kind of weird cause I never heard of doomsday being caused by brown people. Then again I never would think up half the crazy shit that you spout.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:40PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:40PM (#538436)

        You hate whites, and you love blacks. You're the racist asshole. Do pedarasts only fuck their juvenile boys, or do they also like their big black bucks to fuck them?

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:16PM (#538721)

          Its kind of nice in a way seeing this conservative troll losing his shit all the time. Helps remind everyone of the basic degeneracy that lurks around here.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:44PM (16 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:44PM (#538438)

        We used to have diversity. For example, you could visit an English city. Now you can't. A traditional native culture is going extinct.

        Why is it that we can have "black pride" or "muslim pride" but not "English pride"? Why the hatred for Europeans? Why are you so racist?

        Only a tiny portion of the world has blond or red hair with blue or green eyes. By definition, that is a minority. Because these are recessive traits, it's a disadvantaged minority. Your preferences lead to the elimination of a disadvantaged minority. For you white-haters, it's a final solution.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:50AM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:50AM (#538482)

          Fecking Brits! You know, some say the Friederich Nietzsche advocated genocide, and that is why the Nazi's tried to appropriate him. But for Nietzsche the target was the English. Something about a nation of shopkeepers not smart enough to stay in the market. Bloody Poms! You know, you pull that Empire stuff just once, and people will hate you for what seems like a really long time. And it might actually be.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:00AM (5 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:00AM (#538527) Journal

            But for Nietzsche the target was the English. Something about a nation of shopkeepers not smart enough to stay in the market.

            Well, I did notice when thumbing through the English translation, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" that Nietzsche had said some clueless things about markets. So not feeling the need to hate on English just because they do economics relatively well.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @04:26AM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @04:26AM (#538561)

              when thumbing through the English translation

              As far as you got, eh? Thumbs? Well, the obvious thumbal is that khallow accuses others of appeals to authority, when his appeal it to his thumbs, in a translation, picking out words like "market" and "profit" when the work was about the "making" of a "Prophet". My God, has the American educational system fallen this far that even a khallow does not know things that any half-way decently educated European does? Is this why Trump got elected? Do you even know who Zoroaster was, and what religion still reveres him, to this day?

              And besides, the Brexdeath stuff in not in "Also Sprach", but you would have to be able to read something other than English to know that.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:21PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:21PM (#538678)

                Is this why Trump got elected?

                Yep.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:21PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:21PM (#538726)

                  Oh come on, who doesn't want a really rich person for president? Rich people are smarter, otherwise they wouldn't be rich! Amirite??

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 13 2017, @09:12PM (1 child)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @09:12PM (#538865) Journal
                Don't you have a goat to molest? I'm not judging Nietzsche because he had an ignorant opinion on economics. Rather, I think accepting Nietzsche's opinion on markets and such is like accepting H. P. Lovecraft's fictional opinion on immigrants. Just maybe you could find a better opinion just by reading someone knowledgeable on the subject, say John Stuart Mills or even Karl Marx.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @05:01AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @05:01AM (#538973)

                  Calm down, Khallow! No one dissed the "Market". Well, Nietzsche might have, but I don't think that Zarathustra means economic theory. Unless it was that nasty tendency to only value that which holds a price, in a market? Hmm, we may have come to the nub of the khallow here: he believes in nothing. "Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." It is very simple, khallow.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:59AM (3 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:59AM (#538515) Journal

          Why is it that we can have "black pride" or "muslim pride" but not "English pride"?

          St George's Day [telegraph.co.uk]

          St George’s Day is England's national day and is celebrated on April 23 each year. The day remembers St George - England’s patron saint.

          A Christian martyr, St George represents traditional English chivalry and bravery.

          ...English have taken him under our wing and made him the symbol of our nation.

          His emblem is a red cross on a white background, which is England's flag and forms part of the Union Flag – the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

          • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Thursday July 13 2017, @08:54AM (2 children)

            by TheRaven (270) on Thursday July 13 2017, @08:54AM (#538637) Journal
            Amusingly, the Catholic Church was considering decanonising St George a few years on the grounds that there's no historical evidence that he actually existed, and he appeared to be entirely made up a couple of hundred years after he was supposed to have lived. I can't decide if this makes him a better or worse symbol for England...
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            • (Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday July 13 2017, @07:44PM (1 child)

              by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @07:44PM (#538830) Journal

              Are they getting him confused with Jesus?

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @05:07AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @05:07AM (#538974)

                They defrocked Saint Christopher, and he did not even diddle any altar boys. Catholocism has left me, um, confused. I worship both St. Didymous, and Bob. https://principiadiscordia.com/ [principiadiscordia.com] Where is the Bob? Fuck it, I am going Pastafarian. Easier to understand, and no worries about being taken over by gluten-free phanatics. Credo quia absurdum, that Tertullian guy was a ton of fun at parties, until he went off the deep end and started hanging with the German bankers.

        • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday July 13 2017, @02:06AM (1 child)

          by isostatic (365) on Thursday July 13 2017, @02:06AM (#538517) Journal

          For example, you could visit an English city. Now you can't

          Don't they let you have a passport any more?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @08:37AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @08:37AM (#538634)

            You can, but it would be Sunderland. You're welcome to spend your vacations in Sunderland. You'll love the... uhm... I'll get back to you.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by julian on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:02PM (1 child)

          by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:02PM (#538711)

          "black pride" or "muslim pride" but not "English pride"?

          You just conflated race, religion, and nationality, which are orthogonal and not interchangeable. You didn't earn your race, religion is a choice, and your nation's past achievements aren't yours to claim pride for--neither are its historical sins a legitimate source of guilt.

          Westerners certainly have too much guilt; replacing that with misplaced pride as the right-wing nationalists want us to do isn't an improvement. What we need is confidence in our values again.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:49PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @03:49PM (#538740)

            "black pride" or "muslim pride" but not "English pride"?

            You just conflated race, religion, and nationality,

            You quoted that like it was a one to one correspondence. This is not the case. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a system of government, hence equivalent to both religion and nationality.

        • (Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday July 13 2017, @07:48PM

          by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @07:48PM (#538833) Journal

          Why is it that we can have "black pride" or "muslim pride" but not "English pride"?

          Because it usually comes with balaclavas, knuckle dusters, jack boots, petrol bombs and flick knives.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:58PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @11:58PM (#538448)

        Oh, look - another self loathing white dude wants to see hetero white people punished! Just take their cities and countries from them, and take no notice when the non-white foreigners rape the white women to death!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:58AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:58AM (#538488)

          Oh, look - another self loathing white dude wants to see hetero white people punished!

          No, just the Protestant ones. (And what makes you think that there are any "white dude" ACs on SoylentNews?)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:37AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:37AM (#538598)

        Yep, jmorris is being racist, Again! I bet he lives in perpetual fear, of the UPS Man, asking "what can Brown do for you?" He is probably upset that Orange is the New Black, since the president seems to be largely Orange, and the old one was, in fact, Black. And then there is the fact that jmorris has been barred from ever visiting London. Or any other English city. Maybe he could squeak by with a Welsh one? Of course, I would imagine, that jmorris has been banned from most major cities in the world, now that all nations monitor "social", and "anti-social" media. Would you want jmorris visiting your city?

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday July 13 2017, @11:55AM (2 children)

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @11:55AM (#538666)

        Somehow its bad when white people invade darker skinned countries for economic reasons its called all kinds of bad names like colonialism or genocide when the natives are pushed completely out.

        Somehow its the holiest most important social engineering goal of the century, exclusively when it happens to white people.

        The inconsistency is mere anti-white racism. Invasion is bad even if the victims are the much hated white people.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:17PM (1 child)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:17PM (#538786) Journal

          You silly racist, VLM! It is not a matter of skin color. There is no such thing as "white people", there are only racists with nothing else to self-identify with other than skin color. We call these people, "losers". Since there is no such thing as "white", getting rid of the "white race" is not genocide at all, it is just the clarification of a conceptual confusion by some of the lumpen-proletariat.

          If you cannot distinguish between invasion and immigration, your hang up on a false consciousness of racism is maybe one of the lesser problems you have. Invaders typically have organized groups, and they groups have cohesion, and usually arms. Immigrants are individuals. Or are you suggesting that America was successively "invaded" by the Irish, the Italians, Poles, Serbo-Croatians, and Brits who could not make it in their own country?

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @09:11PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @09:11PM (#538864)

            Careful with that flame, VLM can only afford one therapy session a month.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:07AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:07AM (#538456)

      London is no longer an English city.

      Fuck the Romans and their Londinium! What have they ever done for us?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:55AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:55AM (#538486)

        Yes, first it was that London was no longer a Roman Castre. Then it was no longer a Anglican city, thanks to William. I guess that is the point that jmorris, expert on English history that he is, must be pointing to. Norman invaders making everyone have to speak French, an oppressing the native Angles, and Saxons, of course. And nobody even remembers the real inhabitants, like the Iceni. They even wrote a Domesday Book!

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @04:34AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @04:34AM (#538563)

          ..the native Angles, and Saxons, of course.

          Err, 'Native' you say?, speaking as a Celt, those fucking immigrants you're talking about above can just fuck off right back to whatever parts of the continent they came from...bloody pseudo-germans...

          ..And nobody even remembers the real inhabitants, like the Iceni.

          speaking as a Pict¹, those fucking Celts can just piss off back to the continent as well with them....
          speaking as a representative of the Beaker Folk², those painted Pictish scunners for fuck off right back to wherever they came from with the Celts..
          speaking as a Neanderthal³, you Homo Sapiens can just bugger off back to the continent..

          ¹ Yes, I know there's a school of thought that the Picts were Celts too...
          ² Yes, I also know there's a school of thought that the Picts were Beaker People...
          ³ I kid you not, I stay within a 10 minute walk of a family who, based on the facial reconstructions of Neanderthal skulls I've seen, must be more Neanderthal than Homo Sapiens..

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:41AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:41AM (#538600)

            Now this is what I'm on about! Aboriginals rule!! Take back the land! America! Love it, or give it back! Bloody Wankers! (Translation for non-isle persons: "Red Pillars!")

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @10:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @10:01AM (#538649)

            Bloody immigrants, ruined that place. It's been all downhill since the Stone Ages. Can't buy a decent stone axe any more, just this godsawful metal that barely lasts 100 years.

    • (Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:49PM

      by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @06:49PM (#538803) Journal

      I hear you're a racist [youtube.com] now, father!

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:24AM (1 child)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 13 2017, @12:24AM (#538467) Journal

    The Arabs aren't persecuted at home unless they have called for violence against the Saudi government.

    FTFY. As Yemen and Qatar show.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @01:17AM (#538496)

      Other places:
        * Burma
        * China
        * Lebanon
        * Bosnia
        * Russia