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posted by NCommander on Wednesday July 12 2017, @09:36PM   Printer-friendly
from the bit-late-to-the-party dept.

We're a bit late to the party, but for those who haven't seen on the Internet, today is a protest day for Net Neutrality, where sites across the internet are disrupting their normal operations to get the word out and get people to send a message. Ars Technica already has a fairly decent summary of who's doing what, and we stand with them and the rest of the Internet.

Due to real life issues, I was late on getting this together, but for the rest of the day, this article will remain on the top of the page and we will be blacking the theme of the site in protest [Technical issues among others precluded our doing so today --martyb].

If you're a US citizen, and want to get the word out, check Battle for the Net, and get the word out. In addition, there are long discussions going on reddit and other sites throughout the internet

Let's get the word out!

~ NCommander

 
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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @10:26PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 12 2017, @10:26PM (#538395)

    "Socialist" and "Liberal" are on opposite sides of the dividing line.

    A Liberal thinks Capitalism is acceptable and simply wants to redistribute income, via the government, from The Capitalist Class to The Working Class.

    A Socialist is an Anti-Capitalist.
    He knows that Capitalism is the root problem and wants to eliminate The Capitalist Class, leaving -only- The Working Class.

    A Socialist knows (that because The Idle Rich are not able to siphon off profits from within his company) his worker-owned company is able out-compete an operation which has the non-productive Capitalist millstone around its neck.
    N.B. Mondragon has been eating the lunch of Capitalist operations since 1956.

    Where you are currently saying "Liberal", you need to use the broader term "Progressive".
    ...or stop calling yourself Socialist.

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @04:46AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13 2017, @04:46AM (#538569)

    Please go at least study political science, or political economics, before confusing people with redefinitions.

    "Liberal" means inclined to afford others liberties. It contrasts with "authoritarian", and has nothing whatsoever to do with attitudes to capital as such.

    "Socialist" isn't strictly speaking anti-capitalist as such, although that's the closest to a reliable form that it has taken. It does contrast with strong forms of private ownership, so ... close enough for jazz, I guess. By solving resource access problems through committee or social planning (whether centralised or not) as opposed to property, it's effectively an authoritarian system but it's far from the only possible authoritarian system.

    "Progressive" actually is orthogonal to "Liberal". Progressives are based around the idea of bringing the lessons of science and technology, of thought and the enlightenment to social organisation. This has had big successes, so it's kind of trendy. Everything from planned sewage and clean water, through universal franchise. Sometimes progressives and liberals are on the same side (the civil rights movement, for instance) while sometimes they are at odds with each other (prohibition was a big progressive move, but very illiberal). "Progressive" contrasts with "reactionary".

    As for Mondragon "eating the lunch" of "capitalist operations" I wouldn't go quite so far. It's been doing OK, but it's not exactly leading the pack of european business groups - especially allowing for how diversified it is. As for how it got where it is, it's interesting that its non-owner workforce is growing substantially. Their regionalism is frankly hurting them in terms of rates of expansion. They still have to count their profits in terms of local currency.

    But if you think they're all that and a bag of chips, you should start up something equivalent in the US. Eat Microsoft's and Walmart's lunch for a while. Lots of people would surely cheer you on.