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"Congress allowed the government to scan faces of foreign nationals to keep track of visa overstays. But now that's set to be extended to Americans worrying some privacy advocates."
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Homeland Security Says Americans Who Don't Want Faces Scanned Leaving the Country "Shouldn't Travel"
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @02:40AM (17 children)
Will you let us exit the country and file our renunciation at an embassy without getting our faces scanned?
Because some of us are ready to take our chances on the outside...
Fuck America and fuck the pussies that let these authoritarian assholes slowly erode both our privacy and our liberties!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @02:59AM (3 children)
How you hate everything american that isn't degenerate trash.
Yet you don't leave it.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday July 16 2017, @03:12AM
Don't you get it? Anonymous Coward would have their face scanned if they try to leave. Anonymous Coward no more.
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(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday July 16 2017, @01:51PM (1 child)
America has abandoned American principles.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @04:36PM
There's nowhere else to go.
The places where American principles seem to exist only do because the local governments are too underfunded or too incompetent to implement their authoritarianism.
(Score: 5, Informative) by kaszz on Sunday July 16 2017, @03:14AM (5 children)
There are scanless ways out if you just think about it.
However renunciation is not free:
1776: Free (1)
2010: 450 US$ (1)
2014: 2350 US$ (2)(3)(4)(5)
And to leave leave America, you generally must prove 5 years of U.S. tax compliance. (3)
(1) https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128414887 [npr.org]
(2) https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/231128.htm [state.gov]
(3) https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/08/28/u-s-hikes-fee-to-renounce-citizenship-by-422/ [forbes.com]
(4) https://news.yahoo.com/renouncing-u-s--citizenship-is-about-to-get-a-lot-more-expensive-150405883.html [yahoo.com]
(5) https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/08/28/2014-20516/schedule-of-fees-for-consular-services-department-of-state-and-overseas-embassies-and#p-amd-2 [federalregister.gov]
This more and more is taking on the shapes of some combined pre-WWII Germany + USSR. Which also had the policy of deep exit tax and exit like visas.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @03:29AM (1 child)
Costs for renunciation are over 3k now, possibly up to 5k. As to taxes: You're supposed to be keeping them for 7 years IN the US, so if you are kosher 5 years is nothing.
And yes the questionable policy decisions are making it harder and harder to morally justify remaining in America. Most people just lack the brains, breadth of tech knowledge, and knowledge of history to understand the full ramifications of what is happening, both in the US and in other 'free' countries around the world.
The situation is not going to be fixed since the populace either supports or doesn't care enough to protest, which means the only options remaining are outside of the respective countries immediate sphere of influence. Foreign influence may still find you dealing with objectionable actions, outside of their legal boundaries you can DO something about it, if the need arises and for better or worse consequences whether economic or militarily.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:26AM
Considering salary for qualified positions and business opportunities vs IRS stomping, housing and pay it all healthcare etc. Is it still a profitable deal?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @03:51AM
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday July 16 2017, @04:40AM (1 child)
Depending on how wealthy you are, the fees may be trivial in comparison to the tax (section 877A), which also applies to Green Card holders who leave the USA.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday July 16 2017, @09:08AM
Correct. But they are substantial especially for the middle class. And you may have to pay a lawyer familiar with local tax laws + US tax laws. And.. pay at least 5 years of "proper" taxes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @06:20AM
Per the fine summary:
You'd be treated either like a US citizen (and have your face scanned), or as a foreigner (and have your face scanned).
Fiat they came for the foreigners, and you didn't stop them because it wasn't about you. Blow they're coming for the rest, and there are no foreigners to step up for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @08:43AM (5 children)
Why don't you fix your own country instead of coming over here expecting a handout?
signed: The rest of the world
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday July 16 2017, @09:10AM (4 children)
Sometimes you wake up to the fact that your fellow countrymen are complete idiots and you need to leave..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16 2017, @01:00PM (3 children)
If you think only the US has idiots and and idiot politicians... you
may be an idiot.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday July 16 2017, @09:56PM (2 children)
No one thinks that. There's plenty of places with even more idiots; Syria comes to mind at the moment, plus Somalia, and many other such places. It should be pretty obvious that the OP thinks there's some select countries where the idiot density is lower than the US, which I think is quite likely. Go travel to Japan for instance and check out the infrastructure; it makes the US look like Somalia by comparison (i.e., bullet trains vs. Amtrak). Even Turkey has a better train system than the northeast US.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17 2017, @07:14AM
Uh Syria is messed up because of the USA and its allies. Not really because of a higher than average density of idiots.
Years ago the USA wanted to overthrow Syria so the USA imposed sanctions: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/11/us.syria/ [cnn.com]
Then when the sanctions started biting, it sponsored the Syrian opposition: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-wikileaks-idUSTRE73H0E720110418 [reuters.com]
Then when the fighting finally started (I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA or similar helped start the fighting), the US Gov supplied arms to help keep it going: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all [nytimes.com]
And the mess is what they and their allies predicted and want.
Not saying the Syrian Gov are angels. Far from it, but I doubt that the majority of the Syrian people want the extremists that will take over if the the US Gov succeeds. It's not like they can't see the results of the USA's "success" in Libya. I doubt the women making up 13% of the Syrian Parliament would want the ISIS in charge.
If overthrowing the Syrian Gov can be justified, wouldn't the Russians or China overthrowing the US Gov be justifiable too? After all the US Gov is evil and corrupt too and has been responsible for even more deaths than Assad's Government. It's hard for me to say that Trump would be a better leader than Assad... ;)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17 2017, @04:37PM
I think they mean the density of like-minded idiots is higher.