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posted by martyb on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the exhausting-coverage dept.

Multiple sites are reporting on a recent article in Der Spiegel about what might be the largest cartel case in German economic history. Automakers VW, Audi, Porsche, BMW, and Daimler are alleged to have coordinated in secret since the 1990s regarding, among other things, diesel emission cheating.

Source (in German): http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/volkswagen-audi-porsche-bmw-und-daimler-unter-kartellverdacht-a-1159052.html


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  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:57AM (7 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:57AM (#543217)

    I have my portable chair and my popcorn, but am not sure which way to look to see the fireworks.

    / love my rear wheel drive Infiniti G37
    // can't see me ever driving a front wheel drive ever again
    /// nor a car where you can't tell if it's floored, or if the engine has died
    //// as with most things, YMMV

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  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:25AM (2 children)

    by Whoever (4524) on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:25AM (#543229) Journal

    Really, this wasn't hard to predict. Does anyone think that all the manufacturers don't test the competitors' cars?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by frojack on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:42AM (1 child)

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:42AM (#543238) Journal

      Testing doesn't necessarily reveal the kind of defeat code buried in the engine and transmission computers.

      Besides, they were all buying the same software from Bosch, and that's where I would start looking for collusion. Most of these car companies don't actually have that level of software development in house.

      Hey Bosch, we use the same transmission as those other guys, how come they get better milage? In fact the first company probably leaked it to the others just so they won't have to explain their numbers.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @11:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @11:15AM (#543337)

        Testing doesn't necessarily reveal the kind of defeat code buried in the engine and transmission computers.

        Let's not be so naive. If Company A cheats on their emissions via this type of defeat code then they know how to test Company B's cars to see if they also use a similar method of cheating. They don't need access to the code, just testing the vehicle differently.

        I wonder if this cooperation resulted in competition to develop better methods of cheating rather than better diesel engines.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:28AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:28AM (#543230)

    Look toward Berlin. It's like Mecca for Nazis.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:02AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:02AM (#543257)

      Look towards Jerusalem. It is burning. It's like Mecca for Khazarian Jew Scum.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:32AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:32AM (#543265)

        Look to Mecca. It's Mecca for mooslim towelheads.

  • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:36PM

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:36PM (#543440) Homepage Journal

    can't see me ever driving a front wheel drive ever again

    Why? I grew up on rear wheel drive, and the change to front wheel drive was a distinct advantage iin many ways, especially in snow. And no damned hump in the floor for the drive shaft. My only problem with front wheel drive was to relearn how to get out of a skid, but it didn't take long.

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