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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday July 25 2017, @03:46AM   Printer-friendly
from the paint.net? dept.

Microsoft Paint has been marked for death:

The era of Microsoft Paint appears to be coming to an end with the upcoming release of the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. The image-editing application is officially being classified by Microsoft as a "deprecated feature," as noted by The Guardian. That means that, come this fall, Paint will "not be in active development and might be removed in future releases."

I go hard in the paint.

Also at PCWorld and Smithsonian.


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  • (Score: 2) by drussell on Tuesday July 25 2017, @03:56AM (30 children)

    by drussell (2678) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @03:56AM (#543996) Journal

    The PC Paintbrush software that came with my Logitech ScanMan 32 was way better than Paint, anyway... :)

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  • (Score: 2) by drussell on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:11AM (29 children)

    by drussell (2678) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:11AM (#544001) Journal

    Oh, and yeah, BTW....

    ....still to this day, I don't recall ever using any software that did a better job of stitching multiple scans together than Ansel did... And that was with a hand scanner!

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:17AM (28 children)

      by Grishnakh (2831) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:17AM (#544004)

      There's so many examples of things like this really. As far as I can tell, software today not only hasn't improved substantially in the last 10 years or so, it's actually gotten significantly worse in many ways. Personally, I think software in general hit a peak somewhere between 2005 and 2010, and it's been downhill ever since. There's a few exceptions (the latest Firefox is actually pretty good all-around, esp. now that they fixed the tabs problem), but overall PC software is actively getting worse. UIs in particular have gotten MUCH worse in the last decade, both for PC software and for websites.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:24AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:24AM (#544009)

        It's the rise of AB testing. This is just NHST which destroys every area that adopts it because people turn off their brains...

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:47AM (10 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:47AM (#544029) Journal

        It's because everyone's trying to be a fucking tablet. Gnome 3 would work well on the kind of single-tasking fondleslab that gets chucked out of Best Buy etc. for $100 a pop, but seeing that kind of interface on a machine that's ostensibly for productivity is damaging to the sanity. I tried it briefly and was left wondering if this is what Mac OS X would have looked like if it had been a thalidomide baby.

        We've got a bunch of trendy latte-swilling "user experience experts" making usability decisions--they are *not* the same thing!--and making everything flat, contrastless, garish, and ugly. And most of all anti-functional.

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Tuesday July 25 2017, @06:31AM (3 children)

          by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @06:31AM (#544046)

          > making everything flat, contrastless, garish, and ugly. And most of all anti-functional.

          What's the most flat, garish, functional and contrasty? The shell!
          What's flat, full of useless unshrinkable whitespace, meaningless icons changed just because, and no visual structure to guide the user? Pretty much every *&^$% trendy website, !@#*&^% app, and even my "oh we'd like the Linux and win version to look the same, so we changed everything" $&*#$*@ thousands-of-dollars #$&@^$ professional #$*@&^$ design 1$&*^ tools!!!!!!111!one.

          First, we still kill all the lawyers. But right behind, while the wheel is still warm, let's get the make-work UI designers! They'll probably complain that wheel is the wrong texture, too.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @01:50PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @01:50PM (#544163)

            Try starting with yourself and you'll find it saves everyone a lot of trouble.

            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:54PM (1 child)

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:54PM (#544230)

              Uh oh, sounds like one of the shitty UI designers is offended!!

              • (Score: 5, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday July 25 2017, @06:40PM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @06:40PM (#544278) Journal

                Sounds like we pushed his buttons a bit. You can't blame us, though, there's no indication that it WAS a button...

                --
                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday July 25 2017, @08:21AM (1 child)

          by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @08:21AM (#544082) Journal

          Next clue to make use of. Who appoints these "user experience experts" ?
          And who appoint the appointer of "user experience experts"..

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @07:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @07:00PM (#544286)

            Retarded relatives and classmates of MBA's.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @10:24AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @10:24AM (#544111)

          Convert everything into oversized icons. You have to hover over to see what anything does. Put the icons all over the place, left, right, side, top, bottom. I'm looking at you gThumb you useless piece of shit.

        • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:48PM

          by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:48PM (#544226) Homepage Journal

          And yet, browsers on tablets suck, too.

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          mcgrewbooks.com mcgrew.info nooze.org
        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Wednesday July 26 2017, @12:08AM (1 child)

          by mhajicek (51) on Wednesday July 26 2017, @12:08AM (#544372)

          They're doing this to CADCAM software too. They remove the keyboard navigable dropdown menus and replace them with evil ribbons.

          --
          The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
      • (Score: 1) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday July 25 2017, @06:16AM (14 children)

        by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @06:16AM (#544040) Journal

        I switched to Pale Moon a few years back due to Firefox killing off support for the old sync protocol: I run my own server and didn't want to upgrade it.

        Should I switch back? What am I missing?

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday July 25 2017, @07:55AM (3 children)

          by cubancigar11 (330) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @07:55AM (#544069) Homepage Journal

          Firefox is going The Way Of Webkit. So you may want to stick with palemoon for the foreseeable future.

          • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday July 25 2017, @08:42AM (2 children)

            by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @08:42AM (#544091) Journal

            What is the way of Webkit?

            • (Score: 2) by t-3 on Tuesday July 25 2017, @02:45PM (1 child)

              by t-3 (4907) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @02:45PM (#544181)

              Deprecated and full of holes that won't be fixed.

              • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:48PM

                by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:48PM (#544225) Journal

                Seems it's currently a management problem..

        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday July 25 2017, @08:24AM (9 children)

          by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @08:24AM (#544084) Journal

          old sync protocol = WebRTC?

          • (Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday July 25 2017, @01:27PM (8 children)

            by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @01:27PM (#544156) Journal
            • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:45PM (7 children)

              by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @04:45PM (#544221) Journal

              The stuff that keeps your bookmarks etc on a central site?

              Hard lesson in not-your-computer-zap.

              • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:00PM (6 children)

                by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:00PM (#544233) Journal

                Hard lesson in not-your-computer-zap.

                Had you read carefully, you had noticed the following line:

                I run my own server and didn't want to upgrade it.

                So no, this is not a case of not-your-computer.

                --
                The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
                • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:17PM (5 children)

                  by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:17PM (#544244) Journal

                  But you had to consciously re-configure it to do that?
                  All too often various software tries to sideline users into someone-elses-computer because it's so convenient. Well until it's gone ;)
                  I specifically recall Mozilla wanting to sync bookmarks etc, because it was sooo much easier. And I was like "fuck no" ;-)

                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday July 25 2017, @09:43PM (4 children)

                    by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday July 25 2017, @09:43PM (#544330) Journal

                    Well, actually, if I'd originally allowed Firefox to sync with Mozilla's servers, they would have automatically migrated me to Sync 1.5, and I wouldn't have had a problem. The only reason there was a problem was I chose to run my own server, so an issue arose when they removed support for the old protocol. So, if there's a juvenile "lesson" to be learned from my experience, it's not to host your own server.

                    There isn't one, though because I'm happy with all my choices in the matter. I could have also self-hosted the Sync 1.5 server, and kept using Firefox, but switching to Pale Moon seemed easier and I liked Pale Moon's direction more. I still ask about other browsers every so often, though, because it's worth keeping an eye on all the options.

                    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Wednesday July 26 2017, @12:17AM (3 children)

                      by kaszz (4211) on Wednesday July 26 2017, @12:17AM (#544377) Journal

                      The thing that Mozilla has against it is that it lack one process per tab. That method handles some issues a lot better.

                      • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday July 26 2017, @04:35PM (2 children)

                        by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday July 26 2017, @04:35PM (#544718) Journal

                        e10s-multi is expected to be released in Firefox 55, with up to four content processes so as not to overuse RAM the way Chrome or Chromium can with many processes [erahm.org]. A lot of devices still in use still have 2 GB or less with no way to upgrade other than complete replacement of the device, such as a mobile device or a laptop whose chipset can't recognize modules larger than 2 GB. I already see the improvement in 55.0b11, though occasionally I think I might be getting unlucky when multiple heavy tabs get assigned to the same content process.

                        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Wednesday July 26 2017, @04:47PM (1 child)

                          by kaszz (4211) on Wednesday July 26 2017, @04:47PM (#544730) Journal

                          Can it shuffle tabs between these four processes? interesting concept. If it's possible to configure number of processes it would be really great.

                          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Pino P on Wednesday July 26 2017, @05:55PM

                            by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday July 26 2017, @05:55PM (#544767) Journal

                            Can it shuffle tabs between these four processes?

                            I'm not aware of such functionality.

                            If it's possible to configure number of processes it would be really great.

                            Four is what Mozilla engineers have determined to be just right [medium.com] for typical desktop scenarios. But if you have the RAM for it, open about:config and increase dom.ipc.processCount.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @11:18AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @11:18AM (#544122)
        My theory is a lot of the people with a clue cashed out ($$$$$$$!) or/and switched to more research oriented stuff.

        Leaving us with the retards who can actually think shit like the Metro UI is a good idea.