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posted by cmn32480 on Wednesday July 26 2017, @05:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the I'm-sorry-Dave,-I-can't-do-that dept.

[...] some experts believe as much as 95% of passenger miles could be electric, autonomous by 2030, thanks to some basic economics. Because electric vehicles cost a whole lot less to drive and maintain—but more to buy—and because autonomous vehicles greatly reduce the cost of commercial driving, a combination of the two technologies will make autonomous Transportation as a Service exponentially more cost competitive than either owning a car, or hiring a car and driver. It's also exponentially more profitable for car companies, who have long feared the loss of maintenance and service profits associated with a transition to electric cars.

This question will come up more frequently as self-driving technology advances. Will perfection of that technology make a difference, though, in the face of social behaviors that have been deeply ingrained over the past century?


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by mcgrew on Wednesday July 26 2017, @04:26PM (4 children)

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday July 26 2017, @04:26PM (#544710) Homepage Journal

    Ah, the (twisted) logic.

    1. It takes the same amount of time to enter a self-driving car as a driven one
    2. Your car will be able to park itself
    3. After it drops you off at the door.

    But yes, maybe here in Germany it's a little different than America.

    It's a LOT different. All of Europe is 3.931 million square miles, the US alone is 3.797 million. Germany is closer to the Ukraine than Illinois is from Ohio. No two European countries are as far apart as New York and Hawaii. There is no comparison at all between any European country with any North American country.

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  • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Wednesday July 26 2017, @06:32PM (2 children)

    by TheRaven (270) on Wednesday July 26 2017, @06:32PM (#544780) Journal

    All of Europe is 3.931 million square miles, the US alone is 3.797 million

    This kind of statistic completely ignores the fact that the majority of the population of the US is clustered around the coasts, and the remainder is clustered in cities. For example, the total population of Utah is around 3 million, the population of the metro areas of the three largest cities in Utah is over 2 million.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 26 2017, @09:25PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 26 2017, @09:25PM (#544870)

      Have you been to Utah (or Nevada--similar terrain)? It's mostly steep rocky mountains (beautiful scenery) and desert. I'm surprised there are anywhere near a million people living outside the major metro areas, would have guessed much lower.

      I've crossed it several times by car, and twice on the crew of a friend riding his bike in RAAM (Race Across AMerica), a great way to see the country at ~15 mph (~25kph). Out in the desert areas we often went for an hour not seeing any other cars or people on the road, and then it was often another bike/crew that was in the same race with us. This sign and story, including the comments, is about what I remember --
          http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865586821/No-bull-no-service-for-106-miles.html [deseretnews.com]

      • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Thursday July 27 2017, @07:54AM

        by TheRaven (270) on Thursday July 27 2017, @07:54AM (#545053) Journal
        Yes, I spent a few months in Utah, which is why I mentioned it specifically. The median population density, even in one of the most sparsely populated states of the USA, is higher than most of Europe. This is the point that's often missed by people that complain that things that work in Europe can't work in the US because of the lower average population density: the US has a long tail of very low population density that's missing in Europe, but the majority of the population is clustered in denser urban environments than most of the population of Europe.
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  • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:35AM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:35AM (#544998) Homepage

    The US is closer to the UN than any European country. Each state in the US would be the equivalent of a European country.

    So of course comparing the US to Germany is wrong, it'd make more sense to compare New York to Germany.

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