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Acid attacks in the UK are becoming increasingly common. The reason is simple but the timing isn't. In the UK, guns are generally illegal and gun ownership is more of a touchy subject than in the US. I understand that criminals with guns receive a mandatory five year prison sentence. Strict gun control has pushed most criminals to knives. However, after mandatory sentences for knife ownership, criminals are now choosing to injure victims with acid.
Although gun and knife injuries may require extensive rehabilitation, partial recovery from acid attack may be more costly. One victim required 40 operations and continues to receive frequent, lifelong surgery to alleviate complications such as scar tissue on windpipe.
Attackers and victims have a wide variety of backgrounds. In a very English manner, two attackers who were obviously paid, said sorry before attacking one victim. One attacker was a very minor celebrity before and after attacking people in a nightclub and there have been numerous attacks in Scotland. Some incidents are "honor" attacks among immigrants who, for whatever reason, fail to assimilate. However, there has been an increase in acid attacks among ethnic minorities in East London.
The BBC reports that:
The Met Police is "seeing some links" between criminal gangs and the recent spike in acid attacks in London, a senior officer has said.
Deputy Commissioner Craig Mackey said the force was "seeing a move across" to gang members using acid and corrosive fluids in attacks.
But he cautioned evidence was limited as "it's a small data set".
On Monday, MPs debated measures, including tougher sentences, for attacks involving corrosive substances.
The government has also proposed classifying such substances as dangerous weapons.
The deputy commissioner supported efforts to tackle the issue, saying some of the substances are "not even defined by law".
"The impact this sort of attack has on people is extraordinary," he said.
"Many of us have been unfortunate to see quite a bit in our services but acid attacks are really extraordinary and strike at something quite horrific in people's psyche."
Although many incidences are inter-gang attacks (or a brief campaign against food delivery), there are also incidences where acid attack occurs in conjunction with robbery. One pernicious trend is around moped and scooters which are relatively cheap, relatively fast and cut through traffic. They are relatively easy to steal and it is almost impossible to halt a theft in progress. Well, moped crime now occurs in conjunction with acid attack. Variants include using acid to steal a moped from a rider and using a moped to exit the scene of an acid attack.
London police now have 1000 anti-acid kits and every police car will carry 5 liters of water. Although this is useful for acid attacks against police, it does nothing to halt worsening injuries prior to emergency response. This is of particular concern when acceptable response time for emergency services is re-defined in response to failing targets. The most recent incident, which occurred within 100 metres of the local fire department, incurred a 20 minute response from police.
Although there is a strong political reaction that something must be done, these incidences overshadow a police pursuit death in the vicinity which has similarities to a death in 2011 which sparked rioting in multiple English cities.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Bot on Thursday July 27 2017, @06:38AM (36 children)
For Trump supporters: now imagine this in the USA.
> perpetrator hates victim
> perpetrator shots victim
> victim dies
Was not difficult to imagine that, are you trolling in favor of gun ownership, perchance?
Account abandoned.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fakefuck39 on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:40AM (35 children)
more likely:
> violent perpetrator hates victim, but can't get gun because of a police record, so attacks with a knife
> violent perpetrator gets shot by victim 5 times in the chest, once in the stomach, and once in the face at close range
> you learn that criminals don't follow the law
don't need to imagine - this is what happens when you don't take away someone's defense. or are you a retard of some kind?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @09:03AM (14 children)
Wow, look! We are up to UID 6620! Too bad it is an ammosexual idiot.
Would say FTFY, but seriously, there was really too much to fix, so just kinda sorta rewrote from scratch. Racist.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:58PM (12 children)
Oh, fuck off with your "white privilege" shit. More people are shot in Chicago, than in any other city in the USA. More BLACK people are killed in Chicago than in any other city in the US. And, more black people are killed BY black people than in any other city in the US.
Sounds a lot like BLACK PRIVILEGE to me.
But, you keep on chanting that "white privilege" shit, while your democrat/socialist/progressive champions continue to groom you to be a victim. Hands up, don't shoot mofucker!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @04:49PM (11 children)
Got one right here! Don't you know that more rednecks are shot by other rednecks than by any other group? The problem with white privilege is that those that have it don't know that it even exists!!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Demena on Friday July 28 2017, @03:46AM (10 children)
And women don't see women's privileges nor blacks nor asians theirs. Military, fire fighters have privileges. Citizens have privileges. Undocumented aliens have privileges. Education gives privileges. Everyone has 'privileges' and many know how to work them. Your success in life often depends on how you manipulate the privileges you have inherently or have earned.
Assumption of privilege, either way, is just plain rude. It is manipulation, but the world runs that way. And every privilege contains both inherent advantage and inherent disadvantage.
What no one seems to realise or accept is that with assumption of privileges there must be acceptance of responsibilities.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Friday July 28 2017, @09:01AM (9 children)
You must be white, since you don't get it. I will try to whitesplain it to you.
You are confused. I will try to educate you. Privilege is advantage. Yes, some people in society have this, because it is deserved and earned, as you partially pointed out. But it is just false to claim that everyone has priviledge. Undocumented aliens do not have privilege, they have rights. Rights are not earned, or they would be privileges. Human rights are earned by the bare fact of being human, so everyone has rights. Not everyone has privilege.
Now as to our case in point, in America, racist cesspool of a nation that it is and thank god I do not live their, a long history of racial discrimination, going back to wars with the aboriginal peoples and the trade in humanity that was slavery. has resulted in certain advantages being granted to "white" people, just for being light-skinned. They don't get pulled over for just driving. They don't (usually) get shot when taking out their concealed carry permit. They are not patronized with "quotas" and "affirmative action". They are assumed to be upstanding citizens, even when they are not. All this is invisible to those who have white privilege, because while it is an advantage to them, they do not see it as such. As Kanye said, "I see white people. And they don't even know they are white!"
So the problem is, what the privileged whites see as human rights, is actually white privilege. So of course they do not understand when non-whites ask, for example, not to be shot by police. They think this is asking for special privilege, but that is only because they are blind to the fact that their own status is one of privilege and not of rights. This is why I always say, when it comes to it, shoot the white person first, because they are the more dangerous.
When you say this, I just want to say, Fuck you, Whitey! There are NO responsibilities that come with human rights! Privilege, deserved privilege, does have responsibilities, and this would apply to professionals, police, even politicians. But mostly it is white people who have responsibility, and the first responsibility is to recognize that they have white privilege. Otherwise they are taking advantage of undeserved privilege, unfair social advantage, and that is wrong, it is racist, and it is immoral, even if you do not know you have it.
So just let me say that you have no privilege with me. You are racist scum. You do not understand the world or your place in it, and you contribute nothing to the world except your white privilege. I invite you to take a walk in non-white shoes. Be a minority somewhere for a while! It will open your eyes. Are you 鬼佬, or are you 白左?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Demena on Friday July 28 2017, @11:06AM (8 children)
Nope, not confused. Got news for you, I walked in non-human shoes long enough. I am certainly not racist. I will leave that nasty characteristic for you. There is evidence enough in your post. I have been a minority. I have been one of only two members of a minority (parent and child) where a majority felt it was their right and obligation to beat and burn me, and, as a child I believed that they were right and just to do so. So, yes, I know the effects of racism. More than you do maybe. You have directed personal insults and scathing comments based on assumptions about me that you have no cause to make, that is not accurate nor rational nor wise. But all that is personal and nothing to do with reason or the subject of the article so I doubt it will sway you. You have fallen for the 'hate' meme. I choose not to do so. Good luck to you.
There is one responsibility that is attached to human rights. That responsibility is to recognise the human rights and dignity of everyone you meet, encounter or deal with. Do you not see that? I am glad to have no privilege with you, I don't want privilege with anyone so that is just fine and you showed none (no privilege to me) in your post. Again, that is fine. But you did allow yourself privilege to insult someone you don't know on the basis of your imaginings. How does that sit with human rights and dignity?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 28 2017, @11:14PM
OMG!! Lizard person! Alert! It's one of the Lizard People! AAAAAaaaaarrrrgghhhhhhhh!!
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday July 29 2017, @04:44AM (6 children)
Poor, poor Demena! Cannot see that my taking him/her to task is the essence of respect and the recognition of dignity. If what you thought was of no consequence (and you are coming close), there would be no reason to rebut you. It is only the respect I have for you that justifies the insults, you vile scum of humanity! Yes, I do not know you, but I do know that you get upset when someone makes fun of your username, which just smells to high heaven of white privilege. And you know, I imagine nothing about you. I am just laying out the logical consequences of your ill thought out post about how "everyone has privilege", and evidently you agree with me. So play the victim, you idiot, you turd, you fellow-traveller of the powers-that-be! It will do you no good. Instead, think about what you are saying before you say it. And think how others will receive what you say. I do this all the time, you vomitous mass of Bantha droppings! See? It's not that hard.
(Score: 1) by Demena on Saturday July 29 2017, @05:17AM (5 children)
Err... It is you that is playing the victim. Protective of my user name is 'white'? You cannot see that stretch? Would picking a famous white name as a nom de plume would be what? You are being silly. So full of twisted hate. Everyone has privilege even if it is only playing the victim card. Your success in life depends on how well you play your cards irrespective of who dealt them. Everyone gets a different deck. You don't get to pick the deck but you pick which cards to play. If you really do care then try playing different cards, after all this is supposed to be a friendly game. You and your causes gain nothing by alienating me. You would have more to gain with a friendly explanation as why I am incorrect. But I don't think I am.
Anyway, your biggest enemy is not me. There is too much resemblance between "Make America great again!" and "Deutschland uber allies!" for my liking and you know what happened to all minorities there. I am watching it happen again. Yes, it is a change of topic but only because I should not be your worry. You have real ones.
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Saturday July 29 2017, @06:27AM (2 children)
Are you so sure? Your original post on this came across as flat out white privilege. Of course I will alienate you, if that is what you are. Who wants to be friends or allies with racists? And there are flacking Nazis right here in river city? We give them no quarter. But you, in your post, were offering aid and comfort to the racists. Do you not see that? If you don't, you are too stupid to be a useful ally, and so if we gain nothing by alienating you, we gain something by alienating those who would agree with you, you fucking racist son of a diabolical mating of European Reich doctrine stemming from the Pax Romana and the Jewish conceit that they are the chosen people.
There are no chosen people. Everyone is just as fucked as everyone else, and unless we co-operate on the principles of liberty, equality, and Fraterinite', well no one will give a damn about what happened to us. Which side are you on Demena? We will mark you down in the book. Where are you going to make your stand, with the Nazis, or with the Free world? Not that difficult of a choice. Do you need me to insult you further? I can, you yellow-bellied toad of inconsistent bowel movements!
(Score: 1) by Demena on Sunday July 30 2017, @10:29AM (1 child)
Which side am I on?
That side. The side you claim to be on. But you don't care do you?
You have made yourself clear that I disgust you. I suspect you will pursue my posts like a dog does a rabbit. To find any hint of fault that you may. Should I then remove my presence? Disappear down the rabbit hike? Would that please you? Would such a petty victory make you happy? To have "stuck it to the white guy"?
You don't match your words do you. (Rhetorical question)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday July 30 2017, @10:45AM
You don't know me, Demana! I will take your word that we are on the same side, the right side. Just don't be a sucker for racists anymore, M'kay?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday August 02 2017, @09:03PM (1 child)
Just going to sneak in a point of interest here:
Wasn't a Nazi thing at all. But I know what you were going for.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1) by Demena on Wednesday August 02 2017, @10:29PM
I understand this, but it was the way the National Socialists used it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 30 2017, @12:35PM
says a moron who's never been to a black neighborhood, replying to a post that had zero to do with race. those voices in your head - you ever have a back and forth conversation with them or is it just them whispering gently? take your pills buddy.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:52PM (17 children)
Where do you live? Here, in the USA, a violent criminal who "can't get a gun" because of his police record simply goes to the black market to buy his guns. Or, simply steals them from somewhere. There is no shortage of guns among criminals.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:57PM (10 children)
Not only that, but a lot of crazed shooters don't have a police record, or don't have a bad enough record to prevent them from getting a gun (sometimes thanks to NRA lobbying to restrict the government from barring access to firearms to mentally unstable people). If nothing else, they can easily get some idiot relative of theirs to buy one for them; that's what the Sandy Hook shooter did after all.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 27 2017, @04:22PM (8 children)
That's an odd way of characterizing the Sandy Hook cretin. His mother didn't buy the weapons for him. She bought them for herself. He KILLED HIS OWN MOTHER to get her weapons. That, right there,ranks among the lowest of the depths of depravity. Killing a couple dozen little children isn't any worse than killing your own mother.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @04:59PM
it's right on the label. taking our "meds" may make you a violent raving looney. attack big pharma's officers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 28 2017, @09:08AM (6 children)
Runaway, runaway! Must you persist in being so uninformed? I almost said, "stupid", but I didn't, but now I have reconsidered, so why must you be so stupid? The mother bought the guns for her son, since he was a minor, so that by taking up shooting sports he might not be quite so insane as he was, what with his relation to his father. This is the same Ammosexual Therapy that that American Sniper dude tried to do on the fellow vet with something beyond PTSD. In both cases it proved fatal to the attempted therapist, and in the Sandy Hook incident, to a bunch of innocent children as well.
So I hope you do not have criminal background that precludes you from buying weapons, and I can only hope that you do not find some crazy that you think you can straighten out by teaching them the fine art of target shooting. But if you don't, and if you do, well, Second Amendment, Bro!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 28 2017, @05:52PM (5 children)
I don't know where you get your "facts". Mother was into shooting. She also introduced her son to shooting. She did NOT buy the guns "for her son" as you imply. In the final weeks of her life, Mother was actually considering having the boy institutionalized, because he was getting to be to much to handle. The kid acted when he did, apparently because he felt betrayed by Mother, as well as fearing his loss of freedom. As near as I recall from all the stories, not one of those weapons "belonged to" the kid.
You'll need citations to make me even consider your narrative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 28 2017, @11:22PM (4 children)
Yes, she did, you uninformed, barely literate, goat-roping buffoon! Just because you think you know something, Runaway, that does not make it so. You can be, have been, and often are, just plain wrong. Remember the whole "population of China" thing? The "Trump born in Bahamas" incident? The whole "Muslim forced-conversion" controversy? So again, you are wrong.
I hear that Ginkgo-biloba is good for preventing memory loss in the later years. But citations are better.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 28 2017, @11:29PM (3 children)
"But citations are better."
Correct - and you obviously have none.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @12:45AM (2 children)
My point is, neither do you? Sorry to have to beat you over the head with this, Runaway, but that is evidently the only way you learn, in those rare instances when you learn. But it was your claim originally, the burden of proof is on you!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @06:31AM
The parent AC has a point, Runaway. Cite your sources for this. I think you may be wrong.
(Score: 2) by Wootery on Thursday August 03 2017, @10:24AM
How about one of you quit whining and actually post a citation?
Looks [nytimes.com] to me [breitbart.com] like all [slate.com] the guns used in the Sandy Hook shooting were stolen from the shooter's mother, herself murdered with one of her own rifles.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:41PM
Between the laughing dad getting his "sad camera face" on while news cameras were already recording, the "out one door, around the building, in the other", pedestrian footage from the chopper, the laughable claimed circumstances of the white bearded fraud, and the rapid closure and utter obliteration of the alleged crime scene, it's quite safe to say that the "Sandy Hook massacre" never happened.
(Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Friday July 28 2017, @09:37PM (5 children)
I live in Chicago. About a hundred people shot per week on average. No, where I live violent criminals cannot get a gun because of his police record. They can steal them from somewhere or get them from the black market - just like anyone, which has nothing to do with what I said - it only has to do with bs you made up that I did not say.
You would have to be a complete bumbling fool so say allowing criminals to get guns with a police record on file is better than not letting them get one legally. A complete fucking retard - you.
Where do you live? Here in the USA criminal neighborhoods have lots of violent criminals shooting each other with illegally obtained I guns. Those neighborhoods are geographically separated, and around the downtown skyscraper I live it, there are very few illegal guns. But there are plenty of legal guns. Do visit the states sometimes - you might learn something about how Americans live, you curry retard.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 28 2017, @10:25PM (4 children)
Jesus H. Curry retard? I live here, knucklehead. Maybe you should read my post again. To sum it up, I stated that our gun laws have negative value. They are costly to enforce, they are ineffective, and they are worse than having no laws regarding guns. Complete bumbling fool, you say? Just drive down to city hall in Chicago, look around, and take your pick of bumbling fools. If you don't find enough there, you can go to Springfield to find more.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 28 2017, @11:29PM
Runaway is more of a "chittlin's and Collard greens" kind of retard. "Scrapple and headcheese" retard. Now I am starting to see why Runaway is so afraid of religions that ban pork.
The GP did say that. Is there a problem?
(Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Saturday July 29 2017, @04:12AM (2 children)
Yes retard. With quite a bit of text I pointed out that you replied to something I didn't say. I guess it takes morons a really really long time to understand anything not said straight-forward. Oh wait - I did say it even plainly in my post. Do you often pick someone's comment, make up it's content, and reply to that made up BS in your head?
My original post was not arguing gun laws moron. To sum it up:
I post that the normal population having guns lets them fight back against criminals who get guns anywise, unlike in Europe/UK.
Your reply: nuh-uh, criminals can still get guns illegally.
Then you missed to understand the entire fucking paragraph of me accusing you of shit that you obviously didn't say. Just like you did. Clearly you are not Indian, and clearly as you stated you are an American. A really really stupid American.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @07:55AM (1 child)
Yes, with Runaway you really have to dial down the reading comprehension level. Not smarter than 5th grader, as Jeff Foxworthy would say. Give Runaway a month, but even then, he may just boomerang back to what Sean Hannity (Evil) had to say. Poor Runaway. We all have hope for him. Not realistic hope, but hope nonetheless.
(Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 30 2017, @08:47AM
I don't really pay attention to usernames when I shit all over someone, but I'm glad people like this douche are here. I love having retarded loud people around. It's like having your own personal clown to entertain you. 20 years ago I used to point and laugh at the slow kids before I stuffed them into lockers. Only the ones who were loud and arrogant. Nowadays, whenever I get one that gets through the resume screening and starts saying stupid shit, I invite coworkers to the interview room and we do fake interviews, and have a good laugh at the person - to his face. More clowns. We need more loud clowns.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @07:00PM (1 child)
So criminal wants to get a gun to commit another crime, but because it is illegal for them to get a gun, will they...
a)Use a knife to facilitate their because it is illegal for them to buy a gun
b)Steal a gun to facilitate their crime
What makes it less likely that they use a gun, is if it becomes really hard for them to obtain a gun even through illegal methods. But if every (law-abiding) man and dog owns a gun, they become pretty easy to steal.
(Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 30 2017, @08:54AM
You're seriously not getting this? Going to a store and getting a gun is much easier than using a knife against a citizen with a gun. Going to a store and getting a gun is much easier than stealing a gun.
Citizens owning guns makes them easy to steal? Yes, which is more than compensated by thieving niggers with a knife being easier to get shot during that theft. Yeah, that's what a criminal without a gun does buddy - you got it. They break into a house that has guns. And get shot in the face.
seriously some people on here are dumber than a box of rap tapes. No - don't let normal people have guns to defend themselves against criminals - because the criminals will steal them. Do you have velcro shoes by chance?