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posted by martyb on Thursday July 27 2017, @07:28AM   Printer-friendly
from the call-a-spade-a-spade dept.

Common Dreams reports

As President Donald Trump continues to behave bizarrely and erratically--attacking his own attorney general, launching into a political tirade during a speech to Boy Scouts, bringing his 11-year-old son into the burgeoning Russia controversy--a professional association of psychoanalysts is telling its members to drop the so-called Goldwater Rule and comment publicly on the president's state of mind if they find reason to do so.

The Goldwater Rule was formally included in the American Psychiatric Association's "Principles of Medical Ethics" following the 1964 presidential campaign, during which a magazine editor was sued for running an article in which mental health professionals gave their opinions on [Republican] presidential candidate Barry Goldwater's psychiatric state. The rule deems public comments by psychiatrists on the mental health of public officials without consent "unethical".

In a recent email to its 3,500 members, the American Psychoanalytic Association "told its members they should not feel bound by" the Goldwater Rule, which some have characterized as a "gag rule", STAT's Sharon Begley reports.


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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:22AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:22AM (#545069)

    Well today they are diagnosing ~1/6 people with some kind of "mental illness"[1], you are claiming during the time of possessions they were missing all these? Or perhaps they were actually more accurate at diagnosing these types of problems back then?

    [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/1-in-6-americans-takes-a-psychiatric-drug/ [scientificamerican.com]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @10:55AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @10:55AM (#545103)

    Well today they are diagnosing ~1/6 people with some kind of "mental illness"[1]

    1/6 taking psychiatric mess does not mean 1/6 have some kind of mental illness. It means 1/6 were susceptible to Big Pharma marketing and asked their doctors for a drug so they wouldn't have to try so hard at life (news flash: life is hard for almost everyone).

    Sure, being the victim of marketing could be considered a form of mental illness. But I would hazard a guess that more than 1/6 could be painted with that brush.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday July 27 2017, @12:47PM (5 children)

    by VLM (445) on Thursday July 27 2017, @12:47PM (#545137)

    Well today they are diagnosing ~1/6 people with some kind of "mental illness"[1]

    Speaking of that, from a corruption standpoint, ask your barber sometime if he thinks you should get a haircut. Or ask a Realtor (tm) if today is a good day to buy or sell a house. Or ask a bartender if she thinks you look thirsty. Or ask a SN admin if today is a good day to donate (LOL)...

    Mix that in with some of the pills being psuedoscience or fake (not all, but some)...

    Then consider that docs are smart and there's likely self selection pressure such that pre-med with, shall we say, flexible ethics, are not going to be repelled from the wild and whacky psych field, but pre-med with strong ethical background are going to be propelled into something a bit more honest like ER doc, perhaps. Then the field self selects and strengthens itself to a stereotype and next thing you know they're all like the stereotype...

    • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:04PM (1 child)

      by deimtee (3272) on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:04PM (#545199) Journal

      You gotta ask, why does every male psychiatrist have a goatee?

      --
      If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @04:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @04:03PM (#545237)

        Better a goatee than a goatse.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:56PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:56PM (#545232)

      You just see conspiracy everywhere, and magically it lines up with your political ideologies. I think those psychs you hate have a good term for it: delusional.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @05:07PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @05:07PM (#545274)

        No, there are fields of psychology that study why the delusions of psychology researchers and the clinicians they inform seem so difficult to stamp out. These delusions are not actually controversial. They are provably incorrect using well accepted mathematical and logical rules: http://library.mpib-berlin.mpg.de/ft/gg/GG_Mindless_2004.pdf [mpib-berlin.mpg.de]

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Thursday July 27 2017, @10:47PM

        by VLM (445) on Thursday July 27 2017, @10:47PM (#545498)

        One conspiracy is "people like money" and the other conspiracy is someone faked the entire history of the soviet system of using mental illness as a shaming or punishment system for obviously political purposes and people of the same political persuasion have taken over the field in here, also. My money's on "people like money"

        My example were also kinda negative. Consider asking a dietitian if you should hire them because the american diet sucks, or asking a gym owner if more fat lazy americans should exercise.

        Something rather obvious about standards of care is emergency rooms will at least go thru the motions of treating anyone with a physical injury, like being found in an alley with a gunshot wound. However mental treatment seems solely determined by payment, well insured people with a spider phobia can get treatment, crazy homeless dude generally isn't being treated. That would seem to imply mental treatment is only a slight step up from 900 number seances and faith healing in general, fool and money soon parted etc. I mean, if their stuff really worked, we'd treat it like emergency room heart attacks, treat their field seriously.