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posted by martyb on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:26PM   Printer-friendly
from the exported-jobs dept.

The World Socialist Web Site reports

[July 20], 338 workers completed their final shifts at the Carrier gas furnace factory in Indianapolis, Indiana. They were the first wave of 640 workers who will lose their jobs by December 22 at the plant, which President Trump claimed he "saved" through negotiations with Carrier's parent company, United Technologies (UTC).

"People knew Trump was full of crap", 13-year Carrier veteran Taj Longino told the World Socialist Web Site. "But they hung on to the hope because most were too young to retire or too old to get another job. Where are they going to go now? They're stuck in limbo and uncertainty", Longino said.

The fan coil department is being shut down and moved to Mexico, the worker said. "Counting the maintenance department, press operators, forklift drivers, and production line workers, maybe there will be 600 workers left, out of way more than 1,000. The other Carrier plant in northern Indiana is gone."

[...] The fate of the Carrier workers was exploited by both Trump and then-Democratic primary candidate Bernie Sanders after UTC announced plans to shut the plant and move production to Monterrey, Mexico where workers are paid $3.90 an hour. Both sought to divert anger away from the corporations and their relentless drive for profit by blaming "unfair trade" and Mexican workers for the loss of jobs.

Just ahead of his inauguration, Trump triumphantly announced that a deal had been reached with UTC that would keep the Carrier plant in Indianapolis running and save 1,100 jobs. He and Vice President Pence--the former governor of Indiana--celebrated the deal with United Steelworkers representatives at the plant on December 1. The agreement promised UTC incentives from both the federal and state governments of up to $7 million in exchange for UTC's promise to employ at least 1,069 people at the Indianapolis plant for 10 years. Additionally, the company promised to invest $16 million in the facility.

The deal did not represent a victory, Pyrrhic or otherwise, for Carrier workers, though. Only 730 of the 1,069 jobs that UTC vowed to maintain are in manufacture. The remainder are engineering and technical positions, which had never been slated for outsourcing in the first place. Moreover, the $16 million in plant expenditures would not go towards increasing the workforce of the Indianapolis plant. Greg Hayes, UTC's CEO, stated publicly in December that the money had been earmarked for increasing automation at the plant, flatly stating that this would result in fewer workers over time.

According to an AP story in US News & World Report:

Carrier announced last year that it would close the Indianapolis plant and cut about 1,400 production jobs in a move expected to save $65 million annually.

Trump repeatedly criticized Carrier's Mexico outsourcing plan. Weeks after Trump won the election, Carrier announced an agreement to spare about 800 jobs in Indianapolis.

About 600 jobs are still being eliminated.


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  • (Score: 2) by sjames on Friday July 28 2017, @10:13PM (11 children)

    by sjames (2882) on Friday July 28 2017, @10:13PM (#546002) Journal

    Sure, international trade has gone on for some time, and usually had the built-in brake that the journey was long and generally not without danger. But that wasn't global trade and it wasn't free trade (often tariffs were involved as well). That's why it worked so well.

    There's still plenty of rural Chinese and when they run out, most of Africa is there to provide cheap labor.

    The countries doing well with globalism apply tariffs and other methods to impedance match.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @01:03AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @01:03AM (#546079)

    China has plenty of rural Chinese, yet the wages in the cities keep on rising. Why aren't they dragging down the cities into third world status?

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by sjames on Saturday July 29 2017, @01:19AM (2 children)

      by sjames (2882) on Saturday July 29 2017, @01:19AM (#546082) Journal

      The cities aren't out of third world status yet. Don't worry, they'll rope in some more rural people as soon as that becomes the cheaper option.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @09:57AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @09:57AM (#546199)

        Wow, you really don't know anything about China do you. Google is your friend. You think it's a new idea to rope in more rural people? They have been doing it for decades. Guess what, the wages are still going up and the cities are getting better at the same time.

        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday July 29 2017, @05:30PM

          by sjames (2882) on Saturday July 29 2017, @05:30PM (#546341) Journal

          Apparently you don't understand economic decisions. It costs X to bring people in from rural areas and accommodate and acclimate them. It costs Y to pay higher wages instead. Whenever X < Y, they bring in rural people. X is rising because pollution makes it harder to talk people into living with it and because the easiest to recruit rural people are already recruited, so that means they let Y increase until the balance is reached. Yes, I simplified a bit. That's because it's just a posting to a forum, not a dissertation or a book.

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday July 29 2017, @01:20AM (6 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 29 2017, @01:20AM (#546084) Journal

    Sure, international trade has gone on for some time, and usually had the built-in brake that the journey was long and generally not without danger. But that wasn't global trade and it wasn't free trade (often tariffs were involved as well). That's why it worked so well. Worked so well? It worked best when it was the freest. For example, there's been only a few times that the Spice Road functioned well. Those times were also when it was the freest trade. For example, around 0AD when four empires controlled the route from China to the Roman Empire, the time under the Mongolians (who controlled the route from China right up to Palestine around 1250), and modern times when products can fairly efficiently be whisked by rail from China to European markets.

    There's still plenty of rural Chinese and when they run out, most of Africa is there to provide cheap labor.

    2050. There aren't that many Africans even by 2050.

    The countries doing well with globalism apply tariffs and other methods to impedance match.

    What countries would those be?

    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday July 29 2017, @02:59AM (5 children)

      by sjames (2882) on Saturday July 29 2017, @02:59AM (#546126) Journal

      Germany is an example. They do a a lot of trade with China, but they do it sensibly [globaltrade.net].

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @10:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 29 2017, @10:28AM (#546206)

        So having a trade surplus is bad when China does it, but good if Germany does it.

        Are you sure you're not just a teensy tiny bit biased...

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 30 2017, @01:09PM (3 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 30 2017, @01:09PM (#546666) Journal

        Germany is an example. They do a a lot of trade with China, but they do it sensibly

        To the contrary, Germany would still be a bombed out wreck split between two superpowers, if it weren't for global relatively free trade. Germany got the way it is because West Germany had the US and Europe as its trading partners with very free trade - while East Germany and the USSR went the other way. It's quite clear which approach won.

        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday July 30 2017, @04:33PM (2 children)

          by sjames (2882) on Sunday July 30 2017, @04:33PM (#546723) Journal

          Sorry no. The USSR and East Germany went the no trade route. I have never advocated that. In fact I was quite clear that neither extreme was likely to produce a good result.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 30 2017, @11:53PM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 30 2017, @11:53PM (#546893) Journal

            In fact I was quite clear that neither extreme was likely to produce a good result.

            My point is that West Germany went the extreme free trade route.