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Over at StatNews is a story on a recent trend where low cost commercial DNA testing is resulting in a number of White Nationalists taking genetic tests, and sometimes they don't like the results that come back.
The article looks at research on how they respond to the sometimes unexpected results:
[...] In a new study, sociologists Aaron Panofsky and Joan Donovan examined years' worth of posts on Stormfront to see how members dealt with the news.
[...] About a third of the people posting their results were pleased with what they found. "Pretty damn pure blood," said a user with the username Sloth. But the majority didn't find themselves in that situation. Instead, the community often helped them reject the test, or argue with its results.
Some rejected the tests entirely, saying that an individual's knowledge about his or her own genealogy is better than whatever a genetic test can reveal. [...] Others, he said, responded to unwanted genetic results by saying that those kinds of tests don't matter if you are truly committed to being a white nationalist. Yet others tried to discredit the genetic tests as a Jewish conspiracy "that is trying to confuse true white Americans about their ancestry," Panofsky said.
(Score: 4, Informative) by maxwell demon on Friday August 18 2017, @03:13PM (29 children)
If you go back far enough, you find that every single human is a descendant of Africans.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday August 18 2017, @04:20PM (1 child)
Wasn't the Garden of Eden in the Middle East?
(ducks, hides under desk)
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(Score: 3, Funny) by bob_super on Friday August 18 2017, @07:28PM
Princeton: Oh, Christ do I feel good.
Gary Coleman: Now there was a fine upstanding black man!
Princeton: Who?
Gary Coleman: Jesus Christ.
Kate Monster: But, Gary, Jesus was white.
Gary Coleman: No, Jesus was black.
Kate Monster: No, Jesus was white.
Gary Coleman: No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black-
Princeton: Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish!
Brian: Hey guys, what are you laughing about?
Gary Coleman: Racism!
Brian: Cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXz_xkrhXI [youtube.com]
(Score: 4, Informative) by bradley13 on Friday August 18 2017, @04:25PM (26 children)
If you go back far enough, we are all descendents of that terraforming algae.
On a more serious note, there are two groups out there:
- True white supremacists, who say the rest of the human race is basically dog turds
- People who say: be proud of you culture, whatever it is. I'm white, so I'm proud of white culture.
There aren't very many of the former, there are quite a lot of the latter. The MSM is deliberately trying to blur this distinction and call them all Nazis, probably because the second group isn't interested in bowing to progressive shibboleths.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 18 2017, @04:34PM (8 children)
Define "white culture." You can't, because there's about a zillion different kinds of "white people" out there. My own ancestry just in the last 200 years is Irish, Italian, Norwegian, Ukranian, Polish, Austrian, German, French, and Russian, and somehow I ended up with "van Eck" as a surname.
WHICH culture should I be proud of specifically? Culture is ethnic, not defined by the color of your skin. And before you make the obvious "then what about "black pride?" rebuttal, has it occurred to you that there hadn't been *time* for, say, Senegal or Nigeria or Benin to *develop* that kind of culture before the Arab-American slave trade essentially shipped the lot of them off to the other side of the planet as slave labor?
You are displaying a serious lack of knowledge about historical reality and a confusion of terms which is causing you to embrace destructive ideologies. Please learn a few things before you spout off like this.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday August 18 2017, @05:37PM (7 children)
"Define "white culture." You can't"
Sure I can. In the US (and we are specifically discussing US events here), you have a mix of all sorts of different groups. The ones who have been there a while have largely lost touch with wherever they came from. You just listed 9 nationalities in your background - that's great, you're a typical white American, the result of a successful melting pot. Your culture begins with the ancient Greeks and the Romans, carries through the Dark Ages and the Renaissance, includes the migration the the New World, and what has happened in the US since. That is your culture. You are not Norwegian or Ukrainian, you are an average white American of European ancestry. That is your culture. That is "white culture" in the US.
Other groups in the US have different cultures, (or if you prefer, subcultures). Take Hispanics as an example: Even though they also ultimately have European roots, they have more recent ties to their origins in Central and South America. In many (most?) cases, they still speak Spanish, and have contact with family in their countries of origin. That is a different experience, leading to a different culture. American blacks, African blacks, Chinese, Japanese: other groups have their history, their own collective experiences, and hence own unique subcultures.
Most groups are told: be proud of your culture! Be proud to be XYZ. The notable exception are the people in the ex-European group. If they display pride in their culture, they are called racist, and told that they need to atone for their privilege. People are getting tired of being told to atone for sins they never committed; they're just average folk, getting through life a day at a time, justlike anyone else.
Call them racist for taking pride in their history, just one more time. Come on, do it. Bubba is gonna tell you where to stuff it. Which is basically how Trump got elected.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 18 2017, @06:25PM (2 children)
Ah, I see where you're going with this.
Unfortunately, this "melting pot" means the bad as well as the good. This also means that my "culture" would include massive amounts of genocide and slavery, some of it within living memory, of the people who were here before us or who were forced to come here against their will by us. No thank you; none of my ancestors were involved in either the slave trade or the genocide of the American First Nations as far back as I can trace them, and i would rather *not* lay claim to that as part of "white culture" if it's all the same to you.
Furthermore, consider that I grew up in southern Queens and the Bronx, by turns, in New York City. Flushing looks like Hong Kong, and most people in the Bronx where I was were Latinx or black. Whites were very much a minority in both cases. I still prefer Sichuan, Hunan, and Cantonese food over Midwest and especially Southern US cuisine, and make it a point to brew about half a dozen pan-Chinese herbal medicines for common ailments. Yet my skin is white (though I get mistaken for Hispanic or even Egyptian in low light...must be the hair).
So...what culture am I, really? Am I a "reverse banana?"
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @11:10PM (1 child)
No fried chicken, chicken-fried pork, batter-fried okra, hush puppies, collard greens??
Gal, you were eating at all the wrong "Southern" joints. 8-)
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday August 20 2017, @03:51AM
I kind of like the whole not-having-diabetes thing. There is a reason the fattest people in the country live in the Southeastern states =P
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @06:32PM
"Sure I can. In the US (and we are specifically discussing US events here),"
By all means, double-down on xenophobia.
Joking aside, your description of white culture (even limited to the US alone) is way off. There are lots of distinctly different cultures of "white people" based on their ancestral cultures. Sure, the whole thing's fuzzy, but if you want to go down that road "white culture" becomes even less distinct from any other culture.
A note on Europeans: they were supremely shitty in days gone by. There are a few people who will try to make you feel bad for that. Everyone else just wants you to know it. If you want to react to the latter group as though they were the former you will be seen as a racist for trying to deny history.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @07:37PM
No Trump got elected on a platform of lies and hatred of liberals. You can keep trying to convert the latent and overt racism into ancestral pride, but no one else is buying that shtick. Only the extremist liberals say all conservatives are racist, just like only the most extreme conservatives spout conspiracy nonsense and believe liberals are coming to kill them / take their guns / turn them gay.
You are falling for a polarizing LIE. Take pride in your culture, but as soon as you cross into white supremacy then fuck yeah you'll get called out for that shit. If you don't have the good sense to condemn the nasty parts of your ancestry then you're going to be lumped in with them. Doing / saying nothing and pretending like bigotry is not a massive problem in the US will only get your negative responses.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @10:33PM
Bullshit! There are nearly endless examples of white "ex-Europeans" celebrating their culture here in America! In Michigan, for example, you can actually find entire towns that are a near endless parade of European heritage. Maybe you need to get out more?
Set aside your persecution complex, put down the tiki torch, and the assault rifle with the extended ammo clip. No one is telling you that you can't celebrate your heritage. Just don't beat up others while you do it. Mmmmmkay?
No, Trump was elected because he sold us a bill of goods and told us that America was in a very, very dark place and he alone could fix it. BTW, how is MAGA working out for you? Just asking.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 19 2017, @09:50AM
Sure, no problem! "Fucking racists!" Seriously, when the only thing you have to point to in your "cultural history" is the weiner, something both Anthony and TMB agree on, you are a fucking racist. And you all want to vote for Trump, to do what? Repeal Obamacare, 'cause Obama was black? Didn't see that coming! Or you want to give tax breaks to the 1% to help out all the poor white trash you imagine I just insulted? They are not that stupid. Or do you want to roll back environmental protections, and worker safety regulations, and labor rights regulations, and pull out of the Paris accords just to grab some Petrochemical Pu . . . .
Yeah. Call us the "alt-left" one more time, you coward. If you cannot even live in your country, and you think you have a right to judge? And, OMG, did you vote? There is no alt-left, there is just the regular old left, no need for alternatives, because Leftist Values are American values! Equal rights, freedom, and a basic distrust of real estate developers and used car salesmen.
(Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Friday August 18 2017, @04:51PM (4 children)
Found the racist! There is no such thing as "white", and no such thing as "white culture"! You would think some living in Switzerland would know this! Do you speak Italian? Or Allemange? Or Francias?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @08:49PM
I suppose you could turn around the "media invented the African American!!ermagerd!1!" thing and say that 90s media (1890s) invented the "white American," because everybody knows there's only English, French, Germans, Poles, and Irish. Personally I think we should build a wall and deport all the Germans, Poles, and Irish!
In fact, I'm part German! Deport me! For the love of god deport me please!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 19 2017, @01:45AM (1 child)
There is no such thing as Black or Black Culture either.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday August 19 2017, @02:28AM
Strangely enough, there is! Take your "average" American that is "white". They are not white, they are not even "white European", they are going to be Polish, Italian, German, English, Scot, Irish, Russian, Lithuanian, Spanish, or whatever and many combinations of these and mixtures of Arabic, Egyptian, Lebanese, Jewish, Greek, Turkish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Indian, Australian, as well all Narragansett, Potawamie, Iroquis, Creek, Seminole, Mohawk, Chocktaw, Pawnee, Mandan, Hopi, Absarokee, Nez Perce, Gro Ventre, Shoshone, Modoc, Spokane, Tualip, Kwaquital, Tillamook, and a bunch more. But they are never just "white", and it is redundant or superflous to add it to the European heritage.
Now with African-Americans, due to the inhuman institution of chattel slavery, they are just Black, because they usually have no heritage from Africa, they usually do not know what tribe there family may have originally descended from, and in fact they have had to resort to DNA testing to even have some idea of where they came from. And their whole genealogy may be hidden due to the fact that they were bred like animals, or raped by their "white" owners, not allowed to have family and lineage. So there is such a thing as "Black", it was created by "white" racism and the destruction of people and their families. You I guess you could argue that there is a "white" identity back-formed by the violent oppression that made "Black" necessary. But that is all that this "white" is, violent inhuman racism.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 19 2017, @05:11AM
Bradley13 speaks American, you insensitive clod!
(Score: 1) by ben_white on Friday August 18 2017, @05:04PM (3 children)
I've got a sure fire test to tell the difference. If you show up with Nazi flags and torches you are the former.
--
cheers, ben
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday August 18 2017, @07:31PM (1 child)
What about Tiki torches?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @11:54PM
Are they using those, as a group, to beat a black dude? [google.com]
Did one of them pull a pistol during the process?
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(Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Friday August 18 2017, @07:34PM
You've described half a test. Let's say someone doesn't, in fact, show up with a Nazi flag or torches (tiki or otherwise). What then?
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @05:32PM (3 children)
despite the nerds below nitpicking about "white culture" as a pissy nerd way of trying to change the subject to make you look like a nazi. your point is true. the media scum is purposely picking the most radical site they can find and saying here (an obvious neo nazi/fbi website) is what a "white nationalist" is. even though "white nationalist" just means someone who wants to have his nation(whatever form that might take) be made up of people that are like him/her/pronoun. whether that is achievable or even advisable/desirable is another matter. many white nationalists don't focus on hate of other races, but of dealing with the problems of the "white race". they are demonized as nazis. some white nationalists probably are, but some aren't. trying to help your own people (however you determine that for yourself) doesn't necessarily have to be an offensive strategy against others and doesn't automatically make you a national socialist or a fascist but they want the tv watchers to believe it does.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @06:22PM
Yes, it is true, he is a Nazi. Repeat: there is no "white".
"Whiteness of the Whale", Moby Dick, Herman Melville. [americanliterature.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @10:25PM (1 child)
Can't believe you posted that nonsense with a straight face.
You aren't just a nazi, you're a fucking PUSSY nazi! At least you've been figured out that murder and genocide are a bad thing, but I bet that little inhibition will disappear as soon as you are surrounded by other nazi wannabes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 19 2017, @10:00AM
Just can't stop quoting from Moby Dick! Cant' help but think that Queeqeg would approve.
It is the whiteness of the alt-right that above all things appalled me. Just, evil, and not an unblameable evil, like an albino, but the evil of a speaker of the house, or a President, that persists in artificial colouration of the skin. They are "white", but at the same time go to great lengths to not be. Therein lies the secret, the abomination that is the whiteness of the alt-right. And it would continue to be so, even if no Ahab sought vengeance, or no Anti-fascists sought to harpoon the alt-right's members of unusual size. (Why are most American Nazi's so fat? Is this Melville's fault?)
(Score: 5, Informative) by meustrus on Friday August 18 2017, @06:27PM
The latter group are ripe to be picked up by the former group. As others have pointed out, "white" is not an ethnicity and there is no such thing as "white culture". Except to one group of people: white nationalists.
Ultimately, the "be proud of my whiteness" people are just a little bit ignorant about themselves. They're not the only group that has this problem. The other one? Young immigrant Arabs.
They also are broadly proud of their heritage, but haven't been to a mosque in years and don't really understand Islam. So when this guy shows up on Facebook telling them to take pride and filling in the blanks, it fills a need. One can get really easily sucked into an "in-group" that shares your "heritage" when one doesn't properly understand oneself.
It's the same thing, see? White supremacy bears a striking resemblance to Islamic terrorism. And you fight it the same way: by reaching the ignorant young people with positive messages before the terrorists can reach them with negative ones. Help them to discover the rich cultural heritage of their English, German, Italian, Irish, etc. ancestry. Connect them with community groups like churches, fraternal orders, outreach groups, kid-mentorship groups like the Scouts. Replace their ignorance with a sense of belonging before the terrorists can use it to instill a sense of entitlement and hatred.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 18 2017, @07:22PM
The MSM is deliberately trying to blur this distinction and call them all Nazis
That tends to happen when you're carrying a swastika flag.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday August 18 2017, @08:34PM
This means something profoundly important about aliens.
I have more in common with the tree outside, than I do with, say, a Narn or Klingon.
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(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18 2017, @09:46PM
My shoes size is 11. I'm pretty damn proud of my shoe size. Would you like me to shove one of my shoes up your ass, so you may know what a size 11 feels like?