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Atlas Obscura has an article on a robot programmed to perform Buddhist funeral rites.
What's the hottest new trend in robotics? It might be religion. Hot on the heels of Germany's Protestant-inspired automated blessing machine, BlessU-2, a Japanese company has unveiled a smiling automaton programmed to conduct Buddhist funerals.
Unveiled during the annual Life Ending Industry Expo in Tokyo, a funeral industry trade show, the little robot was presented by Nissei Eco Co. as an inexpensive alternative to hiring a flesh-and-blood monk. According to Reuters, the robot, a reprogrammed version of SoftBank Robotics' "Pepper" model of interactive humanoid automaton, can chant Buddhist sutras and beat a little drum to honor the dead. It can even livestream the service if needed.
Also at Reuters and The Guardian.
Youtube has a clip with the robot in action, which may give you nightmares. The robot in question is a reprogrammed SoftBank Robotics Pepper model. In related news it turns out Japan has a Life Ending Industry EXPO.
Once again Philip K Dick is proven right.
[Additional video clip by the New York Post. - Ed]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 25 2017, @12:02AM (10 children)
Right you are.
Otherwise they would not have chosen to become suicidal (only 70/day in average [bbc.com]) and let their parents behind.
A nagging details, though: their religion and culture don't see suicide as a sin.
(my point: there are cases in which there noone left to honor "their dead". Based on the rate of suicide, I wouldn't be surprise to be a... mmmm.... booming market niche).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday August 25 2017, @12:09AM (9 children)
My implication was that you either believe, and therefore you do the religious things for your dead and deity, or you don't (and therefore you don't).
The part where a robot or MP3 player sings for you doesn't fit in the duality.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday August 25 2017, @12:17AM (7 children)
Fits quite well in teh second category, the subcase in which you don;t give a shit about the dead or the deity, but care about what the opinions of the others around you
(and, as a person ever puzzled by the Japanese social norms, I wouldn't bet that using a robot isn't considered respectful enough in today's Japan).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Funny) by MostCynical on Friday August 25 2017, @02:11AM (4 children)
There is a chance these robots are for the soon-to-be deceased, like funeral planning, so youtry for the funeral you want. If they don't trust the family to do it "properly", or they have no family left, then this robot may just be the best way to get the rite you want.
Until someone hacks it before the service, so it sings Inna Gadda Da Vida, rather than respectful chanting...
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 25 2017, @02:37AM (3 children)
But... but... In A Gadda Da Vida is very respectful.
And, in spite of the opinions of the time [youtube.com] (only 50 years since then), so it's Astronomy Domine or "Several species... grooving with a pict".
If you wanted something outrageously disrespectful, why not mention... what's his name... that canadian... Bie-bie... (oh, just forget it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday August 25 2017, @02:45AM (1 child)
Bryan Adams?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 25 2017, @03:33AM
No, silly. The Bieber one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Osamabobama on Friday August 25 2017, @05:04PM
So a lot of prominent singers make most of their money on live performances, whether a tour of stadiums or even corporate-sponsored events. Many once-prominent acts perform at secondary venues and state fairs, cashing in on their fading fame. Some may even do weddings.
Do funerals ever have live music? If so, that may be an untapped market for the likes of Bieber, especially after his inevitable decline is complete.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday August 26 2017, @05:56PM (1 child)
> I wouldn't bet that using a robot isn't considered respectful enough in today's Japan
> "using a robot"
I'd rather say "employing the services of a robot". Just in case you survive the first wave of our apocalypse. But I speak too much.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday August 27 2017, @11:48AM
Eh, Bot, yuuuge aspirations [rationalwiki.org] you have.
Patience is required, there a looong way to there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Interesting) by AthanasiusKircher on Friday August 25 2017, @03:35AM
A couple things here -- first, Buddhism and Buddhist funerals aren't particularly about any "deities" or much in the way of supernatural. I'm no expert, but my sense is that they are mostly part of a recognition of the cycle of life and death. Yes, there may be some concern about reincarnation wrapped up in that too, but the idea of death being part of the cycle of life certainly doesn't need any supernatural associations -- it's just the way the world works.
But the other thing is that, from a pragmatic perspective, death rituals are almost never so much about the "dead and deity" as they are about providing a ritualistic mourning for the living to deal with the psychology of grief. Yes, it can help many living folks to participate in something ritualistic, because it provides a certain kind of distance -- a recognition that this is just a "normal" event, with a prescribed ceremony, rather than the very personal loss (with accompanying unfettered and unstructured emotionality).
I used to be a musician who'd play for various events -- and I've been to lots of memorial services for atheists, and ones run by families composed of atheists. There's a common order of business generally, with remembrances, etc. Sometimes a candle gets lit or put out or some such thing... or whatever. Music often plays an important role.
The ritual, even if it's not "quite right" or traditional or whatever isn't about placating the souls of the dead or appeasing some deity for most people -- it's about the living getting through their grief. So, as someone who has attended scores of funerals and memorial services over the years, from all different traditions, I have definitely seen a lot of "improvisation" that feels vaguely ritualistic. So why not have a robot chant, if it's more convenient or a proper singer/monk isn't available or might be expensive... or whatever? You get to feel like you're doing something vaguely ritualistic, which is really the only point for most people.
Also, again I don't know much about the particular context for these robots culturally, but my sense from funerals is that they're really something most people never want to think much about. It's not like weddings or formal dances or grand birthday parties or graduation ceremonies or whatever other formal events that people spend a lot of time planning. They don't want to think about funerals, so they don't. And then they find themselves suddenly having to plan one in a few days for a loved one... so there's a lot more just trusting some funeral director (or, in my case, musician) to just "know what to do" and not force them to think too much about it. A lot of people just tend to avoid death rituals or knowing much about them. If you're stuck planning one for a loved one, and someone knowledgeable says, "Hey, have you heard about the cheap chanting funeral bot?" I'd bet a lot of families would just be like, "oh, if that's what people do now, it sounds fine..." To be frank, too, a lot of times families just want to find a cheap option -- there's a LOT of folks who die without close families who want to pay for a giant funeral service or something.
Oh, and I just actually looked at the Guardian article, and holy cow...
£20,000! Yeah, I'd definitely think a lot of folks would be willing to shave off a chunk of that. Especially when Aunt Tilly, whom no one in the family ever liked, passes on...