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posted by martyb on Friday August 25 2017, @09:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the Well-that-went-well dept.

Daniel Kammen, a renewable energy expert appointed last year as a science envoy to the State Department, resigned Wednesday, citing President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville as the final straw that led to his departure.

Kind of makes you wonder, you know, what kind of President could provoke a science envoy to the State department to resign. But not far to look! As Kammen goes on:

In a resignation letter posted to Twitter, Kammen wrote that Trump's remarks about the racial violence in Virginia had attacked "core values of the United States" and that it would have "domestic and international ramifications."

Even American scientists have ethics, and will not serve violent racist regimes, like Nazi Germany. So there is that.

But the most interesting thing, is the encryption:

However, his most biting message may have come in the form of a hidden acrostic: The first letter of each paragraph spelled out I-M-P-E-A-C-H.


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  • (Score: 4, Disagree) by vux984 on Friday August 25 2017, @05:24PM (7 children)

    by vux984 (5045) on Friday August 25 2017, @05:24PM (#558992)

    Anyway, I've never understood the criticism of Trump's remarks about Charlottesville.

    Wow. Really.

    There were idiots in pseudo-Nazi uniforms parading around on one side. On the other side, there were progressives looking for a fight, who started the violence.

    Both sides were spoiling for a fight. But only one side murdered anyone. If the car incident hadn't happened Trumps remarks would have been pretty fair. But the car incident changes everything. And the fact that I have to spell this out for you is more likely a sign that you don't want to have an honest conversation than that it is a sign you 'really never understood'.

    Trump comes out and says that everyone carries some of the blame for the mess. Not seeing where that statement should be a problem...

    One side, thought the other side was inferior, and should have fewer rights, and escalated the violence to murder. The side that was murdered, on the other hand was protesting for their right to exist and be treated as equals.
    And you can't see a problem with creating a moral equivalence between them because of some really low level confrontational activity done by both sides?

    Reminds me of the time my daughter killed my son in a woodchipper; it was a sad day, but my son was being kind of irritating... wouldn't stop touching her dolls, knocking them over, yelling at her about his right to be there. Of course, she was yelling too, calling him sub-human, arranging the dolls as a lynch mob around him to threaten him, with signs on them that he was an accident or adopted, and should be sent away etc. So there was misbehavior going on many sides, many sides. Obviously I condemn what my daughter did, but they both carry the blame for this mess, right?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:46PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:46PM (#559009)

    1 person doesn't equal a full side. Had all the white supremacists charged the other group and tried to shoot or club them to death (remember lots of people had weapons) then your argument would have a point. But it was only one person who killed another. Tons of people on both sides were they simply to fight each other. That's why groups have rallies at the same time, so you can overpower the people you don't like. Two groups screaming at each other never gets your message across. Anyone going to counter-rallies happening at the same time as the other rally should be held partially to blame for whatever happens.

    Too many people have lost all sense of scale.

    Don't even get me started on all the anti-haters hating haters.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Friday August 25 2017, @07:22PM (1 child)

      by edIII (791) on Friday August 25 2017, @07:22PM (#559076)

      Yet only one of those sides was on yelling on the Internet, MSM, and to anybody that would listen that they would, "kill all those people if they had to".

      I'm no fan of BLM and AntiFa, but the moral equiavalency bullshit has to stop. One side are a bunch of young foolish protesters with some good causes under their belts corrupted by stupidity, intolerance, and an astounding level of ignorance about free speech, our history, or the value of our history and heritage. The other side has been gathering like this for well over 100 years, and deaths WERE COMMON. Need I remind you about the lynchings in the South? Yes, the "left" massively piss me off with their stupidity of not letting Milo speak and giving a reenactment of the Lord of the Flies for all us to watch. That being said, they're not possessing of a very bloody, angry, and storied history of intimidating and killing niggers because they're allegedly inferior, and that's their own words.

      The White Supremacy movement that came to Charleston, came there fully well knowing there was going to be violence, and claimed many times they would commit murder during the proceedings. Say what you will about the left, but I've not received any phamplets, notices, email chains, etc. going on and on about how we were going to show up to the protest ready to kill White Supremacists. Again, this is not out of character for them. Neither movement is what I would term peaceful, but sure as fuck, the White Supremacists and the KKK are anything but peaceful, and are instead of a bunch of murderous thugs, and have been for over 100 years.

      Then there is moral equivalency, and then taking it further saying, "there are fine people on both sides". Nope. No there isn't. Maybe on the BLM/AntiFa side there is a foolish person helping them because they care about police reform, and they might be "fine people", but there sure as fuck are NO FINE PEOPLE on the Nazi White Supremacy side of the street. That's pants-on-head retarded to state as a fact. He massively fucked up there.

      I would have had some respect from Trump if he simply came out and stated that everybody there were lawless morons and the cops should've been free to do more. Not a great statement, but at least it's not directly stating that some White Supremacists are fine people.

      So all the moral equivalency people can suck my dick. One side straight up murdered somebody, and tried murdering about a dozen more, and it wasn't a shock or a surprise. White Supremacists have been murdering people in this country for so long, that some of them can state it as a career with a straight face.

      Your point about showing up to counter rallies though is spot-on. I wouldn't show up to one unless the organizers were eschewing violence of any kind, prohibiting shields and weapons, were permitted, etc. and, oh...... just maybe.... the other side was not riled up retarded, violent, backwards, White Supremacist assholes. Seriously, does anybody every expect that a group of organized skin heads and Nazi fuckers are going to have a peaceful anything?

      There were stupid people on all sides. Not fine people, just stupid people.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:21PM (#559116)

        but the moral equiavalency bullshit has to stop.

        Agreed...

        • https://stream.org/homeless-trump-supporter-attacked/
        • https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?mcubz=0
        • https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressional-baseball-gunman-had-list-gop-lawmakers-names-n773571
        • http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/26/eric-clanton-charged-four-counts-assault-deadly-weapon/
        • http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/07/19/berkeley-middle-school-teacher-yvette-felarca-arrested-charges-inciting-riot/
        • http://www.metro.us/news/local-news/philadelphia/philly-antifa-woman-charged-allegedly-striking-police-horse

        ...not to mention the media's "punch a nazi" meme when Antifa are screaming "nazi" at every Trump supporter they see. I'm not surprised at Charlottesville, I'm surprised a murder didn't happen sooner. [theguardian.com]

  • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday August 25 2017, @07:25PM

    by edIII (791) on Friday August 25 2017, @07:25PM (#559079)

    Congratulations on one of the most fucked up, yet spot-on analogies I've seen here. You could've made it better by saying your son was run over by a car, hence working in the car analogy, but it wouldn't be better by much :)

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:45AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:45AM (#559290)

    So one crazy killer transfers guilt to everyone on his side? Muslims might disagree.

    • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday August 26 2017, @06:22AM (1 child)

      by vux984 (5045) on Saturday August 26 2017, @06:22AM (#559318)

      So one crazy killer transfers guilt to everyone on his side? Muslims might disagree.

      Are the neo-nazis and white supremecists all denouncing the event? Virtually all Muslims denounce the actions of the extremists.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @07:30AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @07:30AM (#559333)

        Virtually no muslims will denounce the extremists. Some few of them may say things about specific actions, "horror, tragedy, terrible loss of life, etc" but they will not denounce the actual thugs involved.