The "Daily Stormer", a neo-Nazi website that has been having trouble staying online since Charlottesville, has once again been shutdown.
According to The Verge:
The neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer briefly returned to the web today, using a new URL and a string of new hosts to dodge the bans that took it off the internet last week. The site reappeared this morning at the address Punished-stormer.com, apparently using Dreamhost as both a host and DNS provider.
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Shortly after the new site became public, Anonymous groups began a denial-of-service attack against it, targeting the Dreamhost DNS infrastructure that makes the site accessible to the rest of the web. The result was nearly two hours of intermittent downtime for the countless sites using Dreamhost's DNS infrastructure.
In WWII, things like this were called "collateral damage", where innocent casualties were necessary in order to get at the Nazis themselves. But is this sort of action legitimate on the internet? Especially by non-governmental organizations?
Also reported at https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/08/dreamhost-ddos-attack/
Related story: https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JNCF on Saturday August 26 2017, @08:34PM (12 children)
I think he does. I think that's backed up by mhajicek's response, just above you. Their disagreement seems, to me, to be over whether the ends can justify the means. Where mhajicek is ready to push the red button, hemocyanin blinks.
(Score: 4, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday August 26 2017, @10:01PM (11 children)
The Just War Tradition made a distinction between combatants and non-combatants even when it come to material support. An armorer or swordsmith might be considered as directly contributing to the combat effectiveness of a soldier, but the farmer or tailor who only supplied to the soldier what was necessary to him as a human being was not taken to be materially supporting the war effort. So, in modern industrial warfare, ball-bearing plants, OK. Powdered milk factory? Off-limits. Don't trust khallow on matters like these. His thinking seems both dangerously twisted and naively ignorant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @10:54PM (2 children)
That's unfair. It never happens with khallow, for the simple reason he's not thinking, he's reflex arching.
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday August 26 2017, @11:02PM (1 child)
Fair point. I stand corrected.
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday August 27 2017, @01:46AM
I also appear to be banned from moderating!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday August 27 2017, @04:17AM (7 children)
And yet you don't actually disagree on what little I wrote here. These frivolous games are tiresome, aristarchus.
Who only supplied the soldier what was necessary for the soldier to continue to wage war. Clothes and food have long been as necessary to an army as its weapons. Wars have been lost over the inability to provide these (a key example is Napoleon's failed invasion of Russia in 1812 which was the decisive turning point in the Napoleonic wars, both lack of food and winter clothing were key contributors to the destruction of the French army).
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday August 27 2017, @09:35AM (6 children)
Historically ignorant as usual, khallow! Why do not you just go back to school and study something beside math? A little history, some literature, legal theory, god forbid even art? You are a crippled man, your vision is too constricted by your lack of learning. What I said is true of the Just War Tradition, which ended more or less with the Religious wars of the 16th Century, particularly the Thirty Years War, ending with the Treaty of Westphalia. If you were not so ignorant, you would know that.
The regime of the ius gentium took over after that, but preserved many of the same principles. Not until WWI did the idea of Totalen Krieg [archive.org] come to the fore, courtesy of several corporations, and fore shadowed by the Great Conflict in America, which did indeed provide a template. So now, Nazis? Spouting Confederate ideology? And this does not make sense to you? As has been said before here on SN:
And chance you are related to this Arnaud, [wikipedia.org] khallow?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday August 27 2017, @12:27PM (5 children)
And yet we see the continuation of the "Just War" ideal with the Geneva Conventions. Those came well after the 16th Century.
Corporations like the French Third Republic or the German Empire which actually implemented said idea of total war. And your link is to a speech by Joseph Goebbels in 1943. At that time, he represented no private corporation, but instead was the Reich Minister of Propaganda for Nazi Germany during the whole of its existence. This is cluelessness at its most refined.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday August 27 2017, @01:25PM (4 children)
Well, you are a Connoisseur. Enjoy! But do check your history. Nothing of Just War in Geneva. Perogative of nation-states, and all that.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday August 28 2017, @12:24AM (3 children)
Words without meaning. We can instead look at the characteristics of Just War and see the following [wikipedia.org]:
Every single item on this list found its way into the Geneva Conventions in some form.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday August 28 2017, @12:37AM (2 children)
Very good, khallow! Now, can you do the same for ius ad bellum and relate it all to DDOS attacks on a computer network? That would be very helpful.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday August 28 2017, @02:02AM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday August 28 2017, @04:42AM
No, you're not! Get back here, khallow! We are not done with your education yet! Oh, crap, where did callow run off to? I hope he's not hanging with the Nazis and white supremes again.