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As the number of highly educated women has increased in recent decades, the chances of "marrying up" have increased significantly for men and decreased for women, according to a new study led by a University of Kansas sociologist.
"The pattern of marriage and its economic consequences have changed over time," said lead author ChangHwan Kim, associate professor of sociology. "Now women are more likely to get married to a less-educated man. What is the consequence of this?"
Kim's co-authored the study with Arthur Sakamoto of Texas A&M University, and the journal Demography recently published their findings. They examined gender-specific changes in the total financial return to education among people of prime working ages, 35 to 44 years old, using U.S. Census data from 1990 and 2000 and the 2009-2011 American Community Survey.
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ChangHwan Kim, Arthur Sakamoto. Women's Progress for Men's Gain? Gender-Specific Changes in the Return to Education as Measured by Family Standard of Living, 1990 to 2009–2011. Demography, 2017; DOI: 10.1007/s13524-017-0601-3
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 30 2017, @07:20PM (16 children)
While he is an angry misogynist he does make an interesting point. With more men foregoing the typical marriage route it just might bring some balance back.
Feminism caught on, a high % of men under 40 hopped on board, but it has definitely shifted into the realm of misandry. Some may call it karma, men got to be assholes to women for a VERY long time. Doesn't make it OK, and it has driven all these neckbeards into a more misogynistic frame of mind.
Men's rights is a thing and there are real and valid complaints. This should not be confused with misogyny, however the Venn diagram would definitely have the two overlapping. There are men who suffer domestic abuse and they are laughed at. Many men, especially the nerdy types with less than stellar social skills, are treated like creeps just for trying to open a conversation.
I would love to see feminist groups reach out* and help these abused men, demonstrate that women can and will help out men. Perhaps it would be the olive branch that starts the end of the gender war.
* feminists should reach out because they have more experience dealing with abuse, men's rights groups are a relatively new thing I think.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 30 2017, @10:58PM (5 children)
You have not been paying attention. Or maybe you have, and you're spew shit because, well, you're an asshole.
Feminists are very much on the side of men who suffer domestic abuse - because the facts that (i) women not being taken seriously when they report domestic assault so the perpetrators rarely face jail time and (ii) men are laughed at for reporting domestic assault at all, are both artefacts of the same root problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 30 2017, @11:52PM (1 child)
That would depend on the feminist, since that group is not a hivemind. Some of them say that domestic violence against men shouldn't happen but that it isn't a very important issue because domestic violence against women is typically more severe and we live in a patriarchy. Others encourage violence against males or just laugh at it. Most consider domestic violence against men to be a serious issue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 04 2017, @03:43PM
There's at least 3 completely different and incompatible groups that claim the titel 'feminism'
there's the old school 'we want equal rights' (job mostly done in the west, and the areas that are still unequal are mostly, reproductive rights, divorce proceedings, and army duty are in the womens favor)
there's the idiotic 'we want equal outcomes' that actively supports things like affirmative action which are the very antithesis of equal rights
and then theres' the very vocal, but comparatively small group of 'radical feminists' that want's to get rid of men altogether, or at least heavily suppress them
a lot of the confusion disagreement is in arguments where person A has the first definition of feminist, and person B the 2nd or 3th definition
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 30 2017, @11:58PM
I never said they weren't on their side, I was just trying to promote such action and try to bridge the gap with some of the more misogynistic elements on here. You have too much anger built up, but hey so does most every other person here.
In my highly subjective opinion it does seem like misandry has increased dramatically, and while true feminists undoubtedly would have sympathy for abused men I haven't seen them working together. If the they had more cooperation they could create a more unified front that would prevent people from reacting so badly simply because they feel their gender is under attack.
Your reaction is a good example, you accuse me of being ignorant and/or an asshole not because I did anything to you but because I apparently don't know all the details about how the two general groups already work together. That is pretty fucked up, especially since I was trying to bring people together instead of split them up and cause anger :P
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:06AM
Feminists in Name Only.
I've had a few sit and verbally abuse me (much like trying to have an intellectual debate with an average republican. I used to have better luck with Dems, but since Trump they are are stupid and frothing as the Rs now.)
Personally I have had a half dozen casual female aquaintances in college, around double or triple that during grade school, and nothing since moving into the professional world. Even work related female friends turned out to be superficially schmoozers when I ran into them after changing jobs. Quite frankly the internet (*NOT* social network/dating sites) has worked out slightly better for longer term friendships, a few relationships/fwbs from either internet gaming or online dating sites, but the rest has been crap.
I would think it was just me, but I am hearing similiar things from most of my intelligent friends. The ones that are doing well on getting women are either the complete asshole neanderthal schmoozers, or the flashy wealthy guys who buy their ways into a woman's pants. And neither of them are trying to get stuck in a relationship. The guys who DO want a relationship end up with women who don't want kids when they want kids, or who do want kids when they're rationally not ready for kids (IE neither of us could afford kids, lets wait a few years, get raises/new jobs, and put the mortgage down on a house so they will be in a good place when they're born.
In contrast most of the women fall into three categories: Career driven & never want kids, poor and stupid want kids & a free ride, career driven but want kids NOW and will do whatever it takes to get them even if it sets them and you back 10 years. There is also a mythical 4th category of normal women, but it seems like those disappear before college, likely because smart guys realized they were a good thing and snatched them up, but occasionally because they made a mistake and it takes them a few years to get back on the market, by which point they are one of the other three.)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:20PM
So, basically, feminists like guys who are victims? And, guys who are not victims can't be bothered with. Sounds like some of us should find a nice abusive partner, then get rid of her, then lots of women will like us. Procreation problem solved? Maybe so, but damn, what about self respect? Oh, wait - self respect is an evil trait if you're a hetero white male. Forget I've said anything . . .
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:08AM (9 children)
Such as?
To the extent this is really happening, yes, this needs to stop.
Drop the persecution complex. It is not a flattering pose on you. In my experience, those guys that get treated like creeps get treated that way for very specific reasons. It isn't usually just "for trying to open a conversation".
(Score: 2) by Scrutinizer on Thursday August 31 2017, @09:45AM (4 children)
Ask Tom Ball [freekeene.com]. (He didn't seem to get as much publicity [boston.com] as that one foreign monk [wikipedia.org].)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @04:51PM (3 children)
Seriously? Did you even bother to read that link? The guy smacked his daughter so hard that she got a busted lip, and that is by his own admission. That. Is. Not. Normal. Parental. Discipline. Full stop. Much of the rest of his problems appear to be largely caused by him having a bug up his butt about Family Services telling, no, you can't physically abuse your kids. And I picked that up from what little I read of his maundering, self-congratulatory "last statement".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @09:55PM (2 children)
Like it or not, physical punishment (including spanking, pinching, and yes, slapping) is widely used in the USA. As such, it is - by definition - normal. The abnormality is government agents butting in at gunpoint, rather than the normal societal remedies for physical punishments that others judge to go too far.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 01 2017, @12:04AM (1 child)
Hard enough to leave a little girl bruised and bleeding? I don't think so.
He was referred to Family Services for counseling, which he refused to go to. (He seemed to feel that the case worker "had it in for him".) Call me weird but I don't think referral for counseling is "going too far".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 01 2017, @12:31AM
You think wrong, then. It's not something people like to see, but as one example, I sat on a grand jury regarding the prosecution of a parent who deeply bruised a little girl's legs and/or rump. None of us liked the circumstances, but all told, the harm done by an apparent one-off physical punishment by a parent would be grossly overshadowed by a criminal prosecution.
We no-billed the parent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @03:06PM (1 child)
You are an ignorant asshat. If you even ask these questions, it shows how clueless you are on the entire system. The whole marriage is a trap that can easily be compared to a woman who decides she regrets having sex with a guy a month after and reports him for rape. That is basically how divorce works, and I wish I was exaggerating.
Best thing we can do for men, outside of MIGTOW, is to actually teach them psychology so they can easily identify the warning signs before getting in bed with crazy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @04:56PM
Oh, yes, please do enlighten us benighted souls in the peanut gallery.
Yes, indeed. That may be your problem, right there. Best to steer well clear of crazy; especially, don't get into bed with it. Any more clues I can help you with?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:49PM (1 child)
I can only presume you are a woman and therefore have no idea what you're talking about. It is similar to the cultural change we've developed we don't let children outside because there is danger everywhere!!!1!!1 There is always a presumption of guilt that follows men around, and *shockingly* it is highly correlated with attractiveness / charisma. Gone are the days of simple rejection, FUD now operates in nearly every daily aspect of our lives and not just dating.
Before you start presuming too much about myself I would like to say I'm relatively lucky on the handsome scale and haven't experienced much of the discrimination I'm talking about. Regardless if someone is creepy or not good manners should still apply. No need to be nasty unless the person won't take no for an answer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @10:51PM
You presume wrong; I'm a guy.
The part you seem to have not glommed onto yet is that manners should be a two-way street. Yes, rejection sucks. I know. I've experienced it myself. It can hurt. A lot. But how you handle rejection will tell her an awful lot about how "creepy" you are. Frankly, those who act like creeps ruin the party for every one else, no matter which side of the gender divide they are on.
And you still need to drop your persecution complex. Just sayin'.