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posted by martyb on Monday September 04 2017, @05:48AM   Printer-friendly
from the Marvin-the-Martian-had-no-comment dept.

We had three Soylentils submit stories about North Korea's claims it had detonated a hydrogen bomb and reports of seismic activity.

North Korea has Conducted a Major Nuclear Test.

North Korea said on Sunday it detonated a hydrogen bomb, possibly triggering an artificial earthquake and prompting immediate condemnation from its neighbors -- despite the rogue regime calling the test a "perfect success." http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/03/quake-in-north-korea-may-have-been-nuclear-test.html

North Korea Claims Successful Hydrogen Bomb Test

North Korea claims to have successfully developed and tested a hydrogen bomb. Observers have detected tremors associated with a blast several times larger than previous underground nuclear bomb tests. North Korea also claimed to have developed a hydrogen bomb capable of being fitted on a missile:

North Korea carried out its most powerful nuclear test to date on Sunday, claiming to have developed an advanced hydrogen bomb that could sit atop an intercontinental ballistic missile.

The bomb used in the country's sixth-ever nuclear test sent tremors across the region that were 10 times more powerful than Pyongyang's previous test a year ago, Japanese officials said. While the type of bomb used and its size have not been independently verified, if true, the pariah state is a significant step closer to being able to fire a nuclear warhead to the US mainland, as it has repeatedly threatened it could if provoked.

[...] The device was more than eight times more powerful than the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, according to NORSAR, a Norway-based group that monitors nuclear tests. Based on the tremors that followed the test, NORSAR estimated it had an explosive yield of 120 kilotons. Hiroshima's had 15 kilotons. But South Korean officials gave a more modest estimation, saying that Sunday's bomb had a yield of 50 kilotons.

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Also at BBC, Reuters, and NYT.

4.1 Magnitude Seismic Event in North Korea at a Low Depth

Earthquake News Today initially reported that a 5.1 magnitude event designated 2000aert had occurred near Sungjibaegam, North Korea at a depth of less than 1km at 03:30 UTC September 3.

Their updated report 2.5 hours later gave a magnitude of 4.1.

All reporting stations were in the USA.

NPR, formerly Nation Public Radio, subsequently reports

North Korea has claimed to have tested a hydrogen bomb

The blast was picked up by seismic stations all over the world, and it was big.

[...]North Korea's previous nuclear tests have been in the tens of kilotons range. That corresponds roughly to a weapon the size of the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. It's believed that the North's earlier tests were of nuclear weapons that use uranium or plutonium (or both) for their explosive yield.

This time, the North claims to have mastered a far more powerful hydrogen weapon. Some early estimates are putting this test in the hundreds of kiloton range.

[...]Modern nuclear weapons of the sort possessed by the U.S. and Russia are almost all thermonuclear in nature. It allows the weapons to pack a huge punch while fitting in a warhead small enough to be delivered by a missile.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Shimitar on Monday September 04 2017, @08:25AM (14 children)

    by Shimitar (4208) on Monday September 04 2017, @08:25AM (#563353) Homepage

    Doesn't anybody see this is just a smoke screen?

    Yes, this time around (Weapons Of Mass Destruction, anybody already forgot?) there is a little bit more proof (maybe), but after all somebody might remember that the other "imbecile" (GWB) did some years ago, and also we have China nearby, not some stupid middle east chaos ridden country.

    Now, why NK is such a threat all of a sudden? Do you really believe in "concicidence"? At this level? No, i don't. either NK has been a real threat for the last decade, or sombody just added the finished touch to manifacture a new threat. We live in a threat world since 9/11, now you really tell me that ISIS is not a world threat anymore? With all the latest attacks in europe? And you tell me IRAN is not a threat anymore? And i could go on. People really just forget so quickly?

    It is so plain and simple, and it's so clear and out in the open that it make me laugh at most of the comments here...

    A New President == A New Threat.

    Now, Obama was more open to "the allies", so The Threat was ISIS, which never touched anything in USA but IS a real threat to Europe.
    And Trump, instead, has a different view of the world... So guess what, The Threat is now NK, which by the way still has never touched anything on USA soil, but which does not concern at all Europe.

    What a coincidence!

    No, i can bet my money and my life... NK is NOT a threat. Not for Europe, not for USA, not for Japan. Maybe for China yes, due to the refugee issues noted above which, by the way, is the most informative comment so far.

    I have been to China many times and the NK too. I have read and discussed the situation at large, i have friends, both western and eastern, who lived in both countries. Guess what, NK is years from what the media describes. I am telling you it's a Big Fake, big time. All mounted up and played to the USA people by Trump and the media.

    You must ask yourself the only correct question: WHAT ARE THEY COVERING UP?

    Because you setup such a big campaign for one reason only: to distract people and cover up somthing else. Like for IRAQ. It's just the same old story repeated, and in 10 years time we will seee it, eaxctly like with IRAQ.

    How will it end? Well, due to China, this time there will be no military action at all, nor any other type of international action. Maybe this time it will backfire painly to the USA, again due to China and their interests, which are at this point bigger than the USA.

    (if you want a better picture of the far-east, consider that China does not need the western world anymore to sustain itself. China is literally purchasing and digging most of Africa for raw materials, for it's internal markets and economics, has a big enough market space in Asia, from what is left of the URRS to south America, and has a great touristic playground in Europe for it's hundreds of millions of chinese tourists to enjoy... What is of the USA? Give it enough time, and USA will be China cheap-labour source... Or wait, probably not even that... Since many other countries have less legislation and workers protection).

    Wake up guys, China has won already, even if they collapse, they have the sheer numbers to have won anyway.

    Maybe this is what the smoke screen is for?
    (probably not, it's a much smaller thing, like cover up some real fuck-up from Trump to Russia?)

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 04 2017, @09:24AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 04 2017, @09:24AM (#563372)

    Infowars much?

    I'm surprised you didn't manage to implicate Israel and India in your insane rant.

    • (Score: 2) by Shimitar on Monday September 04 2017, @10:51AM

      by Shimitar (4208) on Monday September 04 2017, @10:51AM (#563402) Homepage

      And yet, you post as AC.

      Why insane rant? to be honest, it does not seems much as insane to me. You don't have to believe any word of my post, just wait 10 years. Of course i hope i am right and the others are not, for the sake of everybody.

      I understand it's outside the official line... but... Think, so it was at the IRAQ such a post.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 05 2017, @02:57AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 05 2017, @02:57AM (#563640)

      If that's an infowars theory, it must be the stopped watch effect. World War 3 was Western bankers clashing with BRICS, China become an industrial powerhouse.

      I guess Western bankers are poor losers. World War 3 was the opening ritual. As Denver fell to siege, the USA launched its nukes and gave the world the mixed blessing of trying to tie the remnants into some semblance of the global civilization we had lived in before.

      At the very least, many of us believe that life in the 2040s might turn out more fulfilling for the common man than seemed possible in the 2010s.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 04 2017, @09:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 04 2017, @09:35AM (#563377)

    Bullshit, everyone knows worlds top negotiator, Dennis Rodman, is actively mediating this crisis.
    Therefore all of your "arguments" are invalid.

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 04 2017, @10:20AM (2 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 04 2017, @10:20AM (#563394) Journal

    No, i can bet my money and my life... NK is NOT a threat.

    The problem is that you're also betting the lives of people in Seoul and Tokyo to name a couple of prominent targets. And there are huge proliferation risks to the North Korean nuclear program that completely get ignored. If they can get their hydrogen bombs working, then they have something to sell for hard currency even if they never make another bomb.

    • (Score: 2) by Shimitar on Monday September 04 2017, @10:55AM (1 child)

      by Shimitar (4208) on Monday September 04 2017, @10:55AM (#563403) Homepage

      No i am not...
      USA is.

      I have no power to bet anybody's life. Well, they will just be another country with HB at their disposal. Why should'nt Pakistan sell it for example? Their internal economy does not seems to be much better. But you are still assuming they HAVE an HB.

      All they did so far seems to be able to send a rocket. Which is already an amazingly great effort for the country NK has i know of. And if they have chinese tech for the HB, well, it does not means it works... :)

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 04 2017, @11:38AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 04 2017, @11:38AM (#563416) Journal

        But you are still assuming they HAVE an HB.

        I used the word "if".

        Well, they will just be another country with HB at their disposal.

        And particularly inclined to sell that information for hard currency.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday September 04 2017, @01:59PM (5 children)

    by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday September 04 2017, @01:59PM (#563452) Journal

    now you really tell me that ISIS is not a world threat anymore? With all the latest attacks in europe?

    Is is not a world threat. Never were. Yes, they are a royal pain in the ass, especially on their home turf, but no matter how highly-publicised their European street killings are, they are just that- street killings. A few hundred civilian deaths here and there are tragic, but they do not constitute a "world threat".

    Like for IRAQ. It's just the same old story repeated, and in 10 years time we will seee it, eaxctly like with IRAQ.

    If what you say is true then there is at least one big difference: With Iraq the entire world knew it was bullshit. We could all plainly see that there were no WMDs and it was all just a big pretext for a war of aggression to satisfy Dick "Blofeld" Cheney's PNAC masturbatory fantasies. There was no gret mystery. If this is a coverup, it's covered up a hell of a lot better.

    • (Score: 2) by Shimitar on Monday September 04 2017, @02:49PM (4 children)

      by Shimitar (4208) on Monday September 04 2017, @02:49PM (#563464) Homepage

      If what you say is true then there is at least one big difference: With Iraq the entire world knew it was bullshit. We could all plainly see that there were no WMDs and it was all just a big pretext for a war of aggression to satisfy Dick "Blofeld" Cheney's PNAC masturbatory fantasies. There was no gret mystery. If this is a coverup, it's covered up a hell of a lot better.

      Yes, it's much better covered up. Mostly because the regime is actually pushing out a lot of propaganda which is very fertile for imagination.
      And, also, i guess it's been in the making since a couple of president's... It just happens to be the right time this one around.

      (note: it's NOT the first time NK claims to have successfully launched missiles, rockets and even ICBM.. But this time around it made news. Why?)

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday September 04 2017, @08:14PM (3 children)

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday September 04 2017, @08:14PM (#563556) Journal

        (note: it's NOT the first time NK claims to have successfully launched missiles, rockets and even ICBM.. But this time around it made news. Why?)

        There were four nuclear tests and many missile tests during Obama's two terms. It sure did make the news. Maybe you weren't paying attention.

        As expected, missile and nuclear programs get more advanced as the years go by. The threat became more dangerous over time.

        President Trump has also done a lot to keep NK in the news cycle with his responses. Like talking about "fire and fury" at an opioid crisis event [nytimes.com]. The news media focused more on the "fire and fury" escalation than the opioid crisis.

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        • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday September 05 2017, @03:37AM (2 children)

          by dry (223) on Tuesday September 05 2017, @03:37AM (#563652) Journal

          The opioid crisis is interesting. The result of years of policy by the right, its main affect is killing white men, lots of white men. Something the party that claims the other side is out to get white men would not want in the news too much.

  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday September 05 2017, @01:39AM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday September 05 2017, @01:39AM (#563627) Journal

    Your perception of China is idealized. The reality of that place is far more fractious than you realise. Beijing is constantly scrambling to keep a lid on it all.

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