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posted by janrinok on Friday September 08 2017, @04:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the got-to-start-somewhere dept.

France plans to pass legislation this year to phase out all oil and gas exploration and production on its mainland and overseas territories by 2040, becoming the first country to do so, according to a draft bill presented on Wednesday.

President Emmanuel Macron wants to make France carbon neutral by 2050 and plans to curb greenhouse gas emissions by leaving fossil fuels, blamed for contributing to global warming, in the ground.

Under the draft presented to cabinet, France will no longer issue exploration permits. The extension of current concessions will be gradually limited until they are phased out by 2040 - when France plans to end the sale of gasoline and diesel vehicles.

A largely symbolic gesture, but sometimes symbols matter.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 08 2017, @07:29PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 08 2017, @07:29PM (#565271)

    Well every movement has its extreme members, let France pioneer the way forward and we can learn from their mistakes

  • (Score: 2) by requerdanos on Friday September 08 2017, @11:39PM (3 children)

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 08 2017, @11:39PM (#565390) Journal

    let France pioneer

    Lying about radiation and allowing children to develop thyroid cancer rather than giving them safe, effective iodine isn't pioneering. It's full eco-nutjobism.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday September 09 2017, @09:12AM (2 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @09:12AM (#565555) Journal

      So can you provide a link to show how many actually suffered any significant medical effects in France as a result of the Chernobyl catastrophe? I live there, and I can find nothing to counter the statement that "the French completely [and] totally denied any significant radiation falling within their borders". I'm not categorically saying that you are wrong, but I do suspect that you are taking an extreme (and currently unsubstantiated) view of the matter. I would be quite happy to be proven wrong though.

      Radiation was detected all over Europe, and measures had to be taken to prevent it entering the food chain. However, I think the measures were successful to the extent that any increase in those suffering from the effects were minimal and statistically insignificant. The WHO study [who.int] noted that there were significant effects in the region around Chernobyl, including parts of Ukraine and, of course, Belarus. Although the study notes that the disaster might have some adverse effects in the rest of Europe, no study to date (to the best of my knowledge) has show any statistically significant increase in related medical problems.

      • (Score: 2) by requerdanos on Monday September 11 2017, @02:54PM (1 child)

        by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 11 2017, @02:54PM (#566230) Journal

        So can you provide a link to show how many actually suffered any significant medical effects in France as a result of the Chernobyl catastrophe?

        A count of people, no; these things are hard to track. Was an illness directly Chernobyl-related, or would it have happened anyway? But links demonstrating evidence of real people who have suffered radiation-related cancers as a direct result of lying and coverup on the part of French officials--sure. There are three [independent.co.uk] such [expatica.com] links [www.wecf.eu] linked to directly in the statement I make above.

        I'm not categorically saying that you are wrong, but I do suspect that you are taking an extreme (and currently unsubstantiated) view

        Well, I refer you to my sources and invite you to judge their veracity.

        The first one, from The Independent in 2006, begins as follows:

        Head of France's nuclear watchdog 'lied over Chernobyl fallout'

        John Lichfield, 1 June 2006 23:00 BST - Twenty years after the explosion at the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl in the Ukraine, the legal fallout has just reached France.

        Professor Pierre Pellerin, who was the head of France's nuclear safety watchdog 20 years ago, has been formally accused of deliberately concealing the seriousness of contamination of parts of the French countryside from the French people.

        An investigation is continuing into the responsibilities of politicians in the alleged cover-up, including the role of Jacques Chirac, who was the prime minister. But for the time being, anti-nuclear campaigners and a group of 500 thyroid cancer sufferers are celebrating a first victory in a marathon legal campaign.

        The second, published by Expatica in 2005, begins with:

        France hid info on effects of Chernobyl cloud

        PARIS, 15th December 2005 - French authorities deliberately suppressed information about the spread of radioactive fallout from the May 1986 Chernobyl disaster over France, according to details of an experts' report leaked Thursday.

        Two independent physicists say in the report that the state-run Central Service for Protection against Radioactive Rays (SCPRI) knew of high levels of contamination in Corsica and southeastern France but kept the details under wraps.

        The study was commissioned by magistrate Marie-Odile Bertella-Geffroy, who since 2001 has been examining allegations that the atomic cloud from Chernobyl caused a surge in cases of thyroid cancer in parts of France.

        This week Bertella-Geffroy handed over the report -- originally completed in March -- to civil plaintiffs in the case, who passed details to AFP.

        "Now we have proof that there was a breakdown in the system. So now the judicial case will succeed -- I can't see how it can do otherwise," said Chantal Hoir, president of the French Association of Victims of Thyroid Cancer.

        And finally, a 2005 Radio France Internationale transcript published by Women Engage for a Common Future...

        French Authorities Didn't Disclose Extent of Chernobyl Radiation
        Experts BBC, Monitoring International Reports, March 27, 2005
        Source: Radio France Internationale, Paris, in French 1600 gmt 27 Mar
        05

        (Presenter) Almost 20 years after the Chernobyl (nuclear) disaster, a report says the French authorities lied by omission at the time. In 1986 the authorities were aware of the degree of radioactivity of the Chernobyl cloud but didn't say everything on this issue. These are the first conclusions of an experts' report ordered by the judge in charge of the investigation in France. These pieces of information, which were revealed yesterday, do not surprise Roland Desbordes, the president of the Criirad, the Commission for Research and Independent Information on Radioactivity. The Criirad brought a civil action in 2001. It accuses the authorities of not having reacted sufficiently:

        (Desbordes) Minimum measures, which were taken in all neighbouring countries, were not taken. On the contrary, people were encouraged not to change their habits, while in neighbouring countries some countermeasures were taken, that is to say in relation to children. Some products were withdrawn from consumption. Perhaps this wasn't satisfactory, perhaps this wasn't completely satisfactory, but in any case people tried, governments tried to do things. People here did exactly the opposite.

        In quoted material above, emphasis added.

        There is more than one side to the story, of course - a French court dismissed the case brought by the group of thyroid cancer sufferers, according to rfi [en.rfi.fr].

        The French court was unable, of course, to overturn the clear [cancerresearchuk.org] environmental [cancer.org] association [uptodate.com] between radiation and thyroid cancer, especially in children.

        Perhaps the rise in thyroid cancers in the wake of radiation contamination is a coincidence, but I doubt it. I don't believe that's an unreasonable position--and it's certainly not an extreme nor unsubstantiated one.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday September 12 2017, @08:48AM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 12 2017, @08:48AM (#566631) Journal

          Thank you for your well-researched and informative response.

          The French Govt is clearly guilty of not providing sufficient information to the public, but I can clearly recall the advice not to eat locally-grown fresh produce unless it has been grown under cover (cloche, polytunnel etc) or has been thoroughly washed to remove dust and residue that might have settled on the food while it was growing. The rfi article is correct in saying that iodine tablets were not distributed country wide, but that is because the expected risk was not believed to be significant, a view which has been confirmed in the latest court ruling which states: the court ruled that there was no scientific proof that the Chernobyl accident had any effect in France.

          It is also true that the readings in Corsica and SE France were higher than in the remainder of the country - but the article fails to actually quote the measured levels, which scientists claim to have been well below those that should have any significant effect on the public. The courts also decided to clear[s] top nuclear scientist Pierre Pellerin of charges that he covered up the effects of the cloud and even concealed information about its effects.

          The Expatica link that you provided also includes the following:

          However scientific opinion remains deeply divided, with several renowned physicists sending an open letter to President Jacques Chirac in June commending Pellerin for not giving way to panic in his handling of the crisis.

          In April, France's high court of appeal confirmed a conviction for libel against leading Green party deputy Noël Mamère, who wrongfully accused Pellerin of claiming that the Chernobyl nuclear cloud stopped at the French border.

          Doctors also question the supposed link between Chernobyl and the rise in thyroid cancer, a trend which began in the mid-1970s.

          As always there are two sides to every argument. I fully expect that the politicians could have done more but didn't - politicians around the world behave in the same way so I am hardly shocked or surprised by this allegation. They have been rightly criticised for this and lessons will undoubtedly have been learned. But I await revelation of scientific evidence supporting the claims that are being made by various groups, including anti-nuclear protesters, and others hoping to benefit financially from family members being afflicted with thyroid problems by alleging links between these medical cases and the Chernobyl disaster. Both of these groups are hardly unbiased in their views and their analysis of the available data. In local TV reports they were guilty of 'selective quotation' of the Bertella-Gefroy report (issued 12 years ago!). These families have my fullest sympathy but they have a significant way to go to prove both the link to Chernobyl and finding one or more politicians who can be held responsible and thereby justifying their claim for financial compensation. There is a higher incidence of thyroid cases in Corsica and the SE, but that trend began over a decade before the Chernobyl disaster and therefore likely has another, as yet unidentified, source.

          We are now over 12 years after the quoted reports and the courts have not found any evidence to support the allegations; the claims were dismissed in court in 2011 (from the Rfi link [en.rfi.fr] that you kindly provided). I don't think we should be expecting any new developments in the near future.