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on Friday September 08 2017, @06:25PM
from the then-the-Basques,-and-then-...? dept.
from the then-the-Basques,-and-then-...? dept.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41191327
Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy says he will ask the courts to revoke a law passed by the Catalan regional government to hold a referendum on independence. He described the vote, planned for 1 October, as illegal.
Earlier, state prosecutors said they would bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders for their endorsement of the referendum.
The pro-independence majority in Catalonia's parliament passed the referendum law on Wednesday. Spain's wealthy north-eastern region already has autonomous powers but the regional government says it has popular support for full secession.
See also:
- Will Catalonia try to secede from Spain this year? [Jan 2017]
- Catalan independence: Plan for quick split from Spain after vote [Jul 2017]
- Catalonia's push for independence from Spain [Nov 2015]
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 08 2017, @08:01PM (22 children)
It looks like Spain wants to continue leeching off of Catalonia and will use force to keep it's host in line. i hope you have a plan, Catalonia!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 08 2017, @08:21PM (9 children)
Catalonia, California, Catalonia, California.
Coincidence? I think NOT!
(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday September 08 2017, @09:08PM (3 children)
It's only a coincidence in that many, many, many, many areas of the world have communities and peoples that are disenfranchised and exploited by their governments and elite classes.
The problem with California is that those elite classes live here too. Most likely, it would be a succession of California, Oregon, and Washington. I don't think any of those states have significant percentages of peoples that are not disenfranchised and exploited.
I predict that an actual vote will be for full independence from Washington, D.C. and that it will pass. Regardless of whether or not it is illegal.
As the years of the Trump
presidencytrainwreck go on, the willingness of the majority of voters that didn't vote for Orange Anus to have full secession increases.Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday September 08 2017, @09:20PM
All ruled by Democrats for the last 50 years, so you are probably right.
Other than that Oregonians are probably little different than the other two because they actually have rebellion and insurrection experience.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday September 09 2017, @03:00PM (1 child)
I keep thinking the capital of the 2nd American Republic ought to be in Denver, to cut the elites in the Northeast off at the knees. The mindset of that whole region is out of step with what the country is now. They have fully retained the class mentality of Merry Olde England there.
I say Denver and not St. Louis because Denver has better skiing.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @10:34PM
Denver has better skiing
Perhaps some of the legislators would avail themselves of that.
...like the guy who extended copyright to 95 years.
...and died after he slammed into a tree. [google.com]
Though he was never in government, a similar thing was done by a Kennedy. [google.com]
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday September 09 2017, @02:31AM (4 children)
At first glance, you'd think they shared the same plight. But once you look within both societies, with Catalonia you see solidarity against an outside force. With California, you see an oppressed majority against a tyrannical minority, namely everybody else against Los Angeles and San Francisco. Think of California in terms of being Spain, or Europe as a whole, in terms of movies and T.V. and facing its own internal revolt, particularly from examples Demolition Man and the Star Trek: TNG episode The Hunted.
You can think of California as being one of the most successful examples of demographic warfare -- namely importing rampantly-breeding and disloyal Mexicans who turned a red state blue. The European fifth-columnists were reminded of this example in that those with no loyalty other than to that of the welfare state -- Islamic savages -- can be used to keep an unscrupulous regime in power.
This is why Donald Trump is Making America Great Again in kicking out all the Mexicans. And I'm not knocking the noble Castillians, Mexicans are to Spaniards as Orcs are to Elves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @04:57AM
Lololol, keep dreaming you nutjob.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @08:57AM
I disagree with your opinion. I defend your right to have an opinion and voice it in public.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Grishnakh on Saturday September 09 2017, @06:30PM (1 child)
WTF? Are you on drugs? You're not even making sense. When was the last time you watched The Hunted? (It happens to be one of my favorite TNG episodes BTW.) It's about a bunch of super-soldiers who were made that way for a war, but then after they won the war, they were deemed too dangerous to return to society, so they were forcibly relocated to a moon base. They just wanted to go home, so they fought an insurrection to do just that, to force their own society to take them back in instead of sticking them in a prison because they were too inconvenient. What that has to do with California, I cannot even imagine. There's no issues with ex-soldiers in California I'm aware of, and in the episode, those soldiers were actually a very, very tiny number compared to the population; only a dozen or so were even shown in the episode, and I don't remember the dialog that well, but it was never implied that they were ever all that numerous (the process to make them super-soldiers was probably expensive and didn't scale). But it only took a handful of them to successfully invade the planetary government and take the leaders hostage, but again all they wanted was to be taken back into society. That's nothing even remotely like the issues which separate liberals and conservatives today.
Secondly, I don't have actual numbers in front of me, but this "oppressed majority" thing is crazy. LA and SanFran put together, plus the liberal voters in the entire San Diego region, are most likely an actual majority, which is why the state is generally liberal at the state level, though not completely as they have elected Republicans like Schwarzenegger (though he's really pretty liberal for a Republican). Just like any state, at the state level every citizen gets a vote. Sure, the conservative areas may be larger than the liberal areas, but there's this thing called "population density" you seem to be ignoring here. Having more land to spread out on doesn't mean your vote should be worth more.
And Demolition Man? Again, WTF? That's just about a society that's become too polite for its own good, and completely unable to deal with violent criminals. But they did in the end, by bringing back someone from the past with experience and ability, which ended up causing a lot of social changes too.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday September 10 2017, @01:08AM
The Hunted is totally relevant because it is about an oppressed section of society fighting the will of their government against their own interests.
Although its primary allegory is that of the treatment of returning war vets in particular, invoking the Vietnam war. You know, just like how that filthy fifth-columnist Napolitano famously warned that returning Iraq and Afghanistan vets should be considered domestic terrorists...and look where she is now, making millions being the big boss for the University of California system.
Demolition man is about libertarians fighting against an oppressive control-freak government, and is especially relevant because it takes place in the (fictional) future California city of San Angeles.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 08 2017, @08:31PM (10 children)
Catalonia's debt with the Spanish state is about 200 Billions of euros, and they choose to borrow money from the Spanish state instead of the international market because Catalonia has trash BBB- rating and is much cheaper if they get it at the Spanish state international rate.
Madrid put twice more money than Catalonia for the regional compensation fund between autonomous regions.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday September 08 2017, @10:04PM
Do you have a linky, please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday September 08 2017, @10:05PM (6 children)
Kind of like the equalization payments in Canada:
Ontario puts more into the 'fund' then it gets out, whereas Quebec gets more out than it puts in.
But let's separate, eh Quebec?
Glad that talks over (for now).
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(Score: 2) by chromas on Friday September 08 2017, @10:55PM (4 children)
Did they call it Quebexit?
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday September 09 2017, @12:21AM (3 children)
more like Q*bert, lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q*bert [wikipedia.org] (for the young'uns)
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(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday September 09 2017, @02:32AM (2 children)
Why does Q*bert have an uncircumcised penis for a nose?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @07:19AM
fuck knows.
(Score: 3, Informative) by chromas on Saturday September 09 2017, @08:58AM
That's why he's got the asterisk in his name. There's a secret Zionist footnote to indicate he's one of the non-subservient goyim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 08 2017, @11:58PM
Hey don't dis Ontario like that we are getting only a billion dollars less than Quebec this year! we've almost caught up!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @12:02AM
Here are talking about 265 billions that are the direct public debt with the state plus the proportionate share of the whole of Spain which an independent Catalonia still would have to pay to the state.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-deuda-oculta-plan-independentista-catalan-265000-millones-euros-201709030329_noticia.html [google.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @12:52AM
Actually Catalonia's currently rating is BB [fitchratings.com] that means Non-investment grade [wikipedia.org] junk bonds since is worse than BBB-.
BBB- is the minimum investment-grade so today Catalonia would have a hard time to sell bonds in the open market to finance anything.
(Score: 3, Funny) by turgid on Friday September 08 2017, @08:33PM
Darned Commies, the lot of them, Each and every human being should be a self-sustaining profit centre contributing to the business, Every man is an island. The Market will eliminate the deadwood.
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