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posted by martyb on Saturday September 09 2017, @12:09AM   Printer-friendly
from the stock-up-on-oj-now dept.

[Ed note: for up-to-date info, see also: NOAA National Hurricane Center, Mike's Weather Page, windy.com, NWS - Hourly Weather Forecast Graph - Tampa, and NWS - Hourly Weather Forecast Graph - Miami.]

At 8:28AM September 5, Zero Hedge reported

Irma is now the [strongest] hurricane [ever] in the Atlantic basin, outside of the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico, in [US National Hurricane Center] records.

[...] meteorologist Eric Holthaus writes that Hurricane Irma is now expected to *exceed* the theoretical maximum intensity for a storm in its environment, or as he puts it "Redefining the rules".

[...] Irma's current path--headed straight for Florida--has prompted the state to prepare for the "catastrophic" system.

Unlike Harvey, which caused widespread damage, power outages and flooding and taking almost a fifth of U.S. oil refining capacity offline, Irma is a bigger threat to agriculture, with orange juice futures surging.

[...] Florida is the world's largest producer of orange juice after Brazil. About two-thirds of the state's citrus crop is located in the lower two-thirds of the peninsula.

[...] Airlines have canceled flights across the Caribbean and are adding planes to evacuate tourists, while cruise-line stocks have tumbled.

[...] Only three Category 5 hurricanes have hit the contiguous 48 U.S. states, [said Bob Henson, a meteorologist with Weather Underground:] The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 that devastated the Florida Keys, Hurricane Camille in 1969, and Hurricane Andrew that cut across Florida in 1992. Andrew was originally classified as a Category 4 storm only to be upgraded years later after further analysis.

"It is obviously a rare breed", Henson said. "We are in rare territory."

At 12:37PM September 5, Heavy.com reported

The Florida governor has declared a state of emergency as Hurricane Irma reaches a Category 5 storm. The Florida Keys are currently in the hurricane's path, although the storm remains unpredictable.

[...] Irma has [...] maximum sustained winds [of] 185 mph. It was moving west at 14 mph and is about 270 miles east of Antigua. The Florida Keys are in the projected path of the hurricane, according to September 4 late evening forecasts.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by http on Saturday September 09 2017, @01:38AM (19 children)

    by http (1920) on Saturday September 09 2017, @01:38AM (#565426)

    There was a time when the Second Amendment was, well, an amendment. As in, the nation decided to formalize a change. Thinking it can't happen again shows that your sense of history needs an espresso or ten.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @01:49AM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @01:49AM (#565438)

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress

    Think it was pretty clear they wanted us armed and trained to use them. However I am unsure what this has to do with a hurricane?

    Look it is been perfectly clear for a long time. 'global warming'/'climate change' may or may not be real. However, right now, today, we have piss poor models on climate. We have exactly 0 models that can actually accurately predict climate. We have a set of data that kinda shows an upward trend. Some have hockey sticks, if you look at the data in a particular way. We have a group of people saying 'the science is settled' when even that has been debunked to be nothing more than cherry picking of papers. We can not have a real conversation on it because people like *YOU* want to make it some sort of 'we vs they' discussion.

    I can not take either side seriously because neither has a good model. You know real science with a testable set of criteria.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @02:28AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @02:28AM (#565461)

      False equivalency bullshit is boring at the best of times, and you're serving weak tea today. Die in a fire, just like the rest of us.

      Climate change is an observation, not a theory. One side has models as to why. Not pefect ones, but models, and better ones become available as more computing power becomes available. Turns out, modelling the atmosphere and ocean in detail is harder than designing a DOOM map or mining a bitcoin. The other side has a "this isn't happening, you're making shit up!" model.

      I can't take you seriously.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday September 09 2017, @03:24AM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @03:24AM (#565481) Journal

        Climate change is an observation

        No, "climate change" is a label which can mean many things.

        The other side has a "this isn't happening, you're making shit up!" model.

        Which let us note is a problem here as your post indicates. There isn't a "the other side", for example. Nor does everyone who happens to not buy into the catastrophic AGW theory happen to believe that climate change doesn't exist or that it can't be modeled. Nor does skepticism warrant the same level of proof as making extraordinary claims about the climate and how it's changing while advocating for strong remedial actions which would radically restructure our society.

        And my take is that there's a scam going on here. The simple solution to disagreement is to wait and see what the climate does, particular since climate change to date has been very modest. The predictions have been made and while you can find someone who will refute even the most obvious things, most people will accept actual evidence of substantial global warming or other climate change. But insisting without that evidence that we need to act now in a very costly and ineffective (!) way is suspicious.

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @06:21AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @06:21AM (#565521)

          The predictions have been made and while you can find someone who will refute even the most obvious things, most people will accept actual evidence of substantial global warming or other climate change.

          I think you mean reject, not refute. Refute means to provide valid evidence to disprove.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday September 09 2017, @09:02PM (1 child)

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Saturday September 09 2017, @09:02PM (#565764)

          The simple solution to disagreement is to wait and see what the climate does, particular since climate change to date has been very modest.

          Yes that way, once it is absolutely clear what is happening it is too late to do anything about it.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 09 2017, @11:02PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @11:02PM (#565789) Journal

            Yes that way, once it is absolutely clear what is happening it is too late to do anything about it.

            I did mention the scam aspect to this thing. We need to buy this pig in a poke, but no peeking because bad things might happen if we do.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by fritsd on Saturday September 09 2017, @08:43AM (1 child)

      by fritsd (4586) on Saturday September 09 2017, @08:43AM (#565549) Journal

      Think it was pretty clear they wanted us armed and trained to use them. However I am unsure what this has to do with a hurricane?

      You don't, huh?

      Even *I* know, and I've never been to America!

      People like Ryon are going to shoot at Hurricane Irma [bbc.co.uk]

      Q: what are you going to do about <issue X>?
      A: can I eat it?
      Q: nope.
      A: can I dominate it?
      Q: nope.
      A: can I ignore it?
      Q: nope.
      A: can I shoot at it?
      Q: yes!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @12:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @12:10AM (#565812)

        FYI we're allowed to write "fuck."

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 09 2017, @01:28PM (7 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @01:28PM (#565632) Journal

      YES THIS!!!! No one can positively deny that climate change is happening. Neither can anyone deny that Gore and others have overhyped all the bullshit data, to capitalize on the alarm they spread. AC gets +10 insightful, and he wins an internet.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @01:26AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @01:26AM (#565831)

        so hey what did al gore get out of it? why would he bother to bring all this to people's attention?

          besides enough money to leave his lights on and the pool heated and enough food to gain all that weight? It's not like he spent that fortune on cosmetic surgery because he should do that.

        i mean his clique isn't even in office. i guess his house wasn't flattened by a storm, though, but his time may yet come when the red states all move north and use their 2nd amendment to take the land of those that kept trying to enforce social justice instead of learning any useful survival skills.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:35AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:35AM (#565890) Journal

          Al is wealthier than most of us. He's pretty damned comfortable with all the money he stashed. Carbon credits, FFS. "Send me forty thousand dollars, and I'll plant a couple trees to offset the pollution you're dumping into the atmosphere!"

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday September 10 2017, @05:56AM (4 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday September 10 2017, @05:56AM (#565879) Journal

        Neither can anyone deny that Gore and others have overhyped all the bullshit data, to capitalize on the alarm they spread.

        I can deny it, you ignorasmus Runaway1234! As can anyone with basic reasoning skills that have not been replaced with right-wing nut-job Faux News (fake news before fake news was a thing) Republican Oil Industry talking points, as evidently yours have been. Do you ever get tired of being used so much?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:28AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:28AM (#565888)

          There you go trolling again. Do you kiss your mama with that same mouth?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:44AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:44AM (#565893)

            you're pretty damned stupid because Aristarchus was shit from some faggot's ass, so no mother

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday September 10 2017, @08:05AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday September 10 2017, @08:05AM (#565899) Journal

            Somebody has been triggered!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:30AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 10 2017, @07:30AM (#565889)

          Poor Ari, wipe that foam from your mouth, you look like a rabid dog. And, you're drooling on that little boy's back, too. Come on, dude, get your act together.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Saturday September 09 2017, @04:58PM (1 child)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @04:58PM (#565702) Journal

    Actually the first 10 amendments, which includes the 2nd, were in place before the constitution was deemed acceptable. They've been in effect as long as (some would say longer, as they come from the Constitution of Virginia) the US Constitution.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Sunday September 10 2017, @05:51AM

      by dry (223) on Sunday September 10 2017, @05:51AM (#565877) Journal

      The right to carry arms was codified in the Bill of Rights of 1689. Though only for self defence and only for protestants. At least the English were honest, none of this "people" stuff when "people" meant white men.