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posted by martyb on Saturday September 09 2017, @12:09AM   Printer-friendly
from the stock-up-on-oj-now dept.

[Ed note: for up-to-date info, see also: NOAA National Hurricane Center, Mike's Weather Page, windy.com, NWS - Hourly Weather Forecast Graph - Tampa, and NWS - Hourly Weather Forecast Graph - Miami.]

At 8:28AM September 5, Zero Hedge reported

Irma is now the [strongest] hurricane [ever] in the Atlantic basin, outside of the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico, in [US National Hurricane Center] records.

[...] meteorologist Eric Holthaus writes that Hurricane Irma is now expected to *exceed* the theoretical maximum intensity for a storm in its environment, or as he puts it "Redefining the rules".

[...] Irma's current path--headed straight for Florida--has prompted the state to prepare for the "catastrophic" system.

Unlike Harvey, which caused widespread damage, power outages and flooding and taking almost a fifth of U.S. oil refining capacity offline, Irma is a bigger threat to agriculture, with orange juice futures surging.

[...] Florida is the world's largest producer of orange juice after Brazil. About two-thirds of the state's citrus crop is located in the lower two-thirds of the peninsula.

[...] Airlines have canceled flights across the Caribbean and are adding planes to evacuate tourists, while cruise-line stocks have tumbled.

[...] Only three Category 5 hurricanes have hit the contiguous 48 U.S. states, [said Bob Henson, a meteorologist with Weather Underground:] The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 that devastated the Florida Keys, Hurricane Camille in 1969, and Hurricane Andrew that cut across Florida in 1992. Andrew was originally classified as a Category 4 storm only to be upgraded years later after further analysis.

"It is obviously a rare breed", Henson said. "We are in rare territory."

At 12:37PM September 5, Heavy.com reported

The Florida governor has declared a state of emergency as Hurricane Irma reaches a Category 5 storm. The Florida Keys are currently in the hurricane's path, although the storm remains unpredictable.

[...] Irma has [...] maximum sustained winds [of] 185 mph. It was moving west at 14 mph and is about 270 miles east of Antigua. The Florida Keys are in the projected path of the hurricane, according to September 4 late evening forecasts.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @02:28AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @02:28AM (#565461)

    False equivalency bullshit is boring at the best of times, and you're serving weak tea today. Die in a fire, just like the rest of us.

    Climate change is an observation, not a theory. One side has models as to why. Not pefect ones, but models, and better ones become available as more computing power becomes available. Turns out, modelling the atmosphere and ocean in detail is harder than designing a DOOM map or mining a bitcoin. The other side has a "this isn't happening, you're making shit up!" model.

    I can't take you seriously.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday September 09 2017, @03:24AM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @03:24AM (#565481) Journal

    Climate change is an observation

    No, "climate change" is a label which can mean many things.

    The other side has a "this isn't happening, you're making shit up!" model.

    Which let us note is a problem here as your post indicates. There isn't a "the other side", for example. Nor does everyone who happens to not buy into the catastrophic AGW theory happen to believe that climate change doesn't exist or that it can't be modeled. Nor does skepticism warrant the same level of proof as making extraordinary claims about the climate and how it's changing while advocating for strong remedial actions which would radically restructure our society.

    And my take is that there's a scam going on here. The simple solution to disagreement is to wait and see what the climate does, particular since climate change to date has been very modest. The predictions have been made and while you can find someone who will refute even the most obvious things, most people will accept actual evidence of substantial global warming or other climate change. But insisting without that evidence that we need to act now in a very costly and ineffective (!) way is suspicious.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @06:21AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 09 2017, @06:21AM (#565521)

      The predictions have been made and while you can find someone who will refute even the most obvious things, most people will accept actual evidence of substantial global warming or other climate change.

      I think you mean reject, not refute. Refute means to provide valid evidence to disprove.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday September 09 2017, @09:02PM (1 child)

      by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Saturday September 09 2017, @09:02PM (#565764)

      The simple solution to disagreement is to wait and see what the climate does, particular since climate change to date has been very modest.

      Yes that way, once it is absolutely clear what is happening it is too late to do anything about it.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 09 2017, @11:02PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 09 2017, @11:02PM (#565789) Journal

        Yes that way, once it is absolutely clear what is happening it is too late to do anything about it.

        I did mention the scam aspect to this thing. We need to buy this pig in a poke, but no peeking because bad things might happen if we do.