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posted by Fnord666 on Monday September 11 2017, @04:24PM   Printer-friendly
from the electric-jaguars,-land-rovers-and-volvos;-Oh-my! dept.

Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) has pledged to stop building cars powered solely by petrol and diesel. The company hopes that every car built after 2020 will either be fully electric or a hybrid that makes use of both an electric motor and a traditional petrol-powered engine.

"Every new Jaguar Land Rover model line will be electrified from 2020," Jaguar Land Rover boss Ralf Speth said in a statement. "We will introduce a portfolio of electrified products across our model range, embracing fully electric, plug-in hybrid and mild hybrid vehicles."

The move comes just months after rival Volvo Cars confirmed that it would electrify its entire range of vehicles by 2019. Between 2019 and 2021, Volvo plans to launch five new electric vehicles, while every other car in the range will feature some form of hybrid engine. Honda has also promised that all of its new models from 2020 on will have an electrified variant.


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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:53PM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:53PM (#566275)

    If "mild hybrids" (BAS and the like) are now included under electrified, then it doesn't really mean much...

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday September 11 2017, @05:38PM

    by bob_super (1357) on Monday September 11 2017, @05:38PM (#566285)

    It's Electric Car Press Release Season! Don't be the last CEO caught without your Electric Car Press Release!

    Last chance today to be noticed, because tomorrow someone will be hogging all the free advertising!

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 11 2017, @05:41PM (19 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 11 2017, @05:41PM (#566286) Journal

    A hybrid that just has a small engine driving a generator is perfectly acceptable. It will work under a fixed load and RPM and won't require rapid response. So, something like a Stirling engine will be perfect.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @11:21PM (18 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @11:21PM (#566462)

      But that's not what "mild hybrid" systems are. They're parallel hybrids where the engine is a normal car engine (100hp or so) and the electric motor/generator is an overgrown starter motor providing 10 or 15 hp. (Or when serving as a generator, consuming that much.) They're little more than a start/stop system.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 12 2017, @12:50AM (17 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @12:50AM (#566488) Journal

        Like the Prius? I can't think of a worse way to make an electric vehicle...

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @03:37AM (16 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @03:37AM (#566528)

          Nope, not like the Prius. The Prius's motor/generator adds/subtracts about 30 hp, and more importantly the Prius can run as a pure EV (at low speeds and for short distances) with the combustion engine stopped.

          Mild hybrids not only have about half the electric power and correspondingly smaller batteries, but (by definition) are running the gas engine whenever the vehicle is moving.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:20AM (15 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:20AM (#566552) Journal

            The electrics only provide assistance? Sounds worse still... needless complexity, unless the electric motor works through a simple mechanical sprag clutch. Hybrids really don't make sense, more of a sales gimmick than anything else. I suppose my initial post doesn't describe a hybrid, mild or otherwise, at all, but if I wanted a long range electric vehicle, that is the way I would do it. It wouldn't need a Rube Goldberg transmission or any fancy electronics, and with the Stirling turning the generator, it wouldn't need a muffler either, and would be very flexible on the type of fuel you can use, sorta like Mr. Fusion [universetoday.com]...

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            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @01:17AM (14 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @01:17AM (#567559)

              Strike [soylentnews.org] one [soylentnews.org]
              Strike [soylentnews.org] two [soylentnews.org]
              Strike [soylentnews.org] three [nytimes.com]

              Better to be THOUGHT a fool, eh?

              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:35AM (13 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:35AM (#567609) Journal

                Oh please! [autobytel.com] Why do you hate your mother? On the other hand, thanks for making my point about needless complexity... totally unimpressive (20.4 miles per gallon). Hybrids still suck. Good idea to post AC (probably the same one lashing out in the other thread). I wouldn't reveal myself either if I posted such nonsense.

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                • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:50AM (12 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:50AM (#567621)

                  totally unimpressive (20.4 miles per gallon). Hybrids still suck

                  As expected, you COMPLETELY missed the point [youtube.com] in your haste to bluster your way into sounding informed and knowledgeable. As with most technology, there are multiple applications that fall outside the purview of the narrow-minded.

                  How's your *snrk* Mr. Fusion [youtube.com] equipped electric car coming along?

                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:55AM (11 children)

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:55AM (#567624) Journal

                    That, is not a hybrid. Wanna try again?

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                    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:05AM (10 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:05AM (#567630)

                      You require spoon-feeding apparently.

                      Electric. Motors. Can. Be. Paired. With. Internal. Combustion. Engines. Not. Only. To. Improve. Fuel. Economy.

                      As. Shown. In. The. Provided. News. Article. And. Also. Highlighted. In. The. Youtube. Video. Electric. Motors. Can. Greatly. Enhance. The. Performance. Of. A. Vehicle. In. Lieu. Of. Fuel. Economy.

                      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:24AM (9 children)

                        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:24AM (#567654) Journal

                        :-) You are fun to watch, but you're still not making the sale.

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                        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @02:51PM (8 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @02:51PM (#567823)

                          You mistake my audience. It's quite apparent to them and I that the vacuum between your ears is both present and in absolutely no danger of being breached.

                          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:43PM (7 children)

                            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:43PM (#567854) Journal

                            :-) yeah, it keeps out the riff-raff... If you get my drift... Which you probably don't

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                            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:53PM (6 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:53PM (#567859)

                              There is no drift in a vacuum - by definition.

                              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:17PM (5 children)

                                by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:17PM (#567878) Journal

                                :-) So, I was right. You didn't. Now, off you go... Thank you for this most entertaining chat.

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                                • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:36PM (4 children)

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:36PM (#567905)

                                  Your claim to powers of long-distance mind-reading have unfortunately not bolstered your knowledge about applications of electric and/or ICE-electric hybrid vehicle technologies [soylentnews.org].

                                  What social situation have you recently exited in which is considered proper or useful to perceive a "win" in a discussion by vapidly declaring yourself correct, then immediately attempting (impotently, I might add) to end further conversation?

                                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:06PM (3 children)

                                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:06PM (#567976) Journal

                                    :-) Such a mischievous fellow... Your name is Peeves, right?

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                                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:24PM (2 children)

                                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:24PM (#567985)

                                      The message is more important than the messenger. The message here began with your freely-offered commentary [soylentnews.org], how that commentary was hilariously [soylentnews.org] inaccurate [soylentnews.org], and now on to your continual deflection, misdirection, and pointless gum-flapping in an attempt to distract from your revealed naked shame of ignorance behind your flimsy facade you imagine to be insight.

                                      English not being your first language is no excuse for such flimflam.

                                      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:49PM (1 child)

                                        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:49PM (#568003) Journal

                                        :-) You're not for real. I doubt you are even a human. I'll have to call it a day until I know for sure.

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                                        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @07:01PM

                                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @07:01PM (#568015)

                                          Consider yourself fortunate that I am not likely to be an extraterrestrial engaged in the process of analyzing a presumed normal human as part of a process to determine whether or not your planet should be obliterated to make way for a new intergalactic highway.