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San Diego workers will power-wash streets with a bleach solution in an attempt to stop the spread of Hepatitis A:
At least 15 people have died in San Diego from an ongoing hepatitis A outbreak. In an effort to stop the spread of the viral liver disease, city officials have begun power-washing streets across the downtown area, according to NBC San Diego.
As of Monday, workers dressed in protective white gear and red hard hats were seen outside spraying the sidewalks with a bleach-based liquid in hopes of killing the virus that lives in human feces. "We're probably going to be doing them every other Monday, see how that works out at least for the time being," Jose Ysea, a city spokesman, told NBC San Diego.
The high-pressure power-washing system using bleach will hopefully remove "all feces, blood, bodily fluids or contaminated surfaces," according to a sanitation plan included in a letter delivered to San Diego city officials, the Associated Press reports. For now, just streets in San Diego are being washed, but in the near future hand-washing and street-sanitizing efforts will be implemented in other cities in the region, Dr. Wilma Wooten, the region's public health officer, told the AP.
Also at LA Times. San Diego outbreak page.
Previously: San Diego Declares Emergency Due to Outbreak of Hepatitis A
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @05:39PM (30 children)
I'm going to have you rounded up and taken to a concentration camp known as "jail", and if you keep doing it, then another camp called "prison".
I'm not even advocating jail or prison for homeless people, but there must be something well defined for handling these people. You cannot just let them shit on public property; that's not allowed!
They cannot sleep on the streets, and do their drugs in the alleys. Remove these miscreants, so that the rest of us can get on with our clean lives, walking safely on the streets that we are paying to build and maintain.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @05:43PM (15 children)
Socialism is the answer, but somehow I doubt you would support such things. Also, do you propose violating people's freedom to exist by forcing them into such camps? How do you prevent them from leaving and living where they please?
Honestly sounds like you haven't thought it through and simply want to remove "deplorables" from society. You should focus on improving their lives, not removing them from society. Yes a Hitler reference is quite applicable, it is a bad sign that you do not understand that.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @05:52PM (12 children)
"Socialism" is such an incredibly nebulous term; it means virtually nothing—the only sentiment that you can derive from it is this: You want to take other people's resources at the point of a gun.
Look at you, worrying about whether people want to leave a camp, and yet not giving a fuck about whether people want to pay for your silly "solutions". How can you not see the utter contradiction in your positions?
In my world view, there is no contradiction: You don't know what the rules of interaction are until you negotiate them, cautiously, and then you stick to the rules of that game religously.
Here. I'll start the negotiation: If you shit on my property, we're going to have a problem, and I'm going to make you wish that you didn't shit on my property.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:11PM
You are such an insightful shit lord! You're too stuck in your own narrow view to even argue properly, good luck not paying taxes. Perhaps your FB feed would be a better location to spew your circle jerk rhetoric.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:24PM (6 children)
> "Socialism" is such an incredibly nebulous term; it means virtually nothing—the only sentiment that you can derive from it is this: You want to take other people's resources at the point of a gun.
No, that's the only sentiment *you* can derive from it. Don't put *me* in your Randian basket.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:33PM (5 children)
Exactly, civilization is a veneer plastered over the human animal through millenia of trial and error. It can be lost very quickly so we should be supportive of those in need lest we lose the buffer and we let our society devolve into barbarism. Treating a group of humans differently than the rest is the first step towards barbarity.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:46PM (4 children)
Well, you've just agreed with OP, then.
You can't allow these people to do the things that most people are not allowed to do: Shit, sleep, and fuck in the streets. Society has descended into barbarity, because such barbarous activity is specially allowed by this one group of miscreants.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Spook brat on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:51PM (3 children)
— Anatole France
Travel the galaxy! Meet fascinating life forms... And kill them [schlockmercenary.com]
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:18PM (2 children)
What an ass-backward quote. You know why the law "Don't steal" exists? It's because poor people stole stuff from less-poor people before there was such a thing as law, and people banded together to create it. Don't pretend the system is the problem. Anatole France was a literal communist, and look at how their "equality" served (and fed, and clothed, and sheltered) their people in the fucking gulags.
(Score: 2) by Spook brat on Thursday September 14 2017, @08:39PM (1 child)
It's ironic that you come to the defense of the OP, who is suggesting a gulag-like solution to homelessness, by pointing out how well gulags don't work.
Remember that the law also protects the poor from being robbed by the less-poor, or at least it's supposed to. Making homelessness a criminal offense is similar in concept to the idea of a debtor's prison, which the United States soundly rejected as an institution when we broke off from England. Laws that target activities that people would only engage in if they were homeless verge on being predatory, and are certainly discriminatory. Rich people pushing for such laws are engaging in abuse of power.
It's kind of like a joke I heard about ski slopes: young women go there looking for husbands, and husbands go there looking for young women; the situation isn't as equal as it appears at first glance.
Travel the galaxy! Meet fascinating life forms... And kill them [schlockmercenary.com]
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Friday September 15 2017, @12:59AM
I do think something societal needs to be addressed, as he is completely correct in that there is a difference between someone who is homeless, and someone who is temporarily without a home. Many homeless people are quite content being homeless. Free of responsibility, with churches willing to feed them whether they are drunk, high, or not (unlike those Salvation Army bastards who will give them a bed if they're sober.) It's not just lack of money. It's a psychological problem that is now physically endangering others - how is this less serious than the stress that generates school shooters if it generates even more deaths and hospitalizations? Oh, right, because this form of death isn't as easily molded to a politician's political agenda that you rapidly identify with.
Obviously gulags aren't the solution, obviously things being illegal doesn't prevent them from happening, it is simply the mindless "fuk da system"-tier rhetoric (as Communists/socialists usually spew) which I saw modded up that is causing a conflation between the compassionate and the incompetent to large swathes of people, myself included. "Everything should like, be free for everyone and there shouldn't be violence" is what it all begins to sound like. Feel the "bern" as the United States tears itself apart through taxation, and witness the rise of both Russia and China - you think the US takes advantage of people and abuses its citizens? Just you wait.
(Score: 2) by unauthorized on Wednesday September 13 2017, @08:28PM (3 children)
I can't believe people still repeat this stupid meme as if it made any sense.
Every single rule ultimately is enforced "at a gunpoint", be it by state or by your personal arsenal. Your right to bodily integrity and ownership are enforced in one way or another by the willingness of someone to use violence against anyone who wishes to infringe on these rights of yours.
Yes, there are some things that people should be forced to do and some things they shouldn't be forced to do. Unless you propose it's entirely okay to allow people to beat/rape/eat their children at their leisure, then you are just stating an opinion over which arbitrary threshold should be enforced. You cannot claim moral victory in an argument by just stating an opinion.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @09:15PM (2 children)
If 2 parties agree to enforcement in advance, then that enforcement is by definition voluntary.
That is not what government offers. Government doesn't offer agreement in advance; government mandates.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @09:19PM (1 child)
Ugh no point in trying to help this person, clueless is as clueless does. New born humans can't agree to the rules they're brought up in, your idea fails. It is infeasible to reproduce every aspect of society on a per-individual basis, your idea fails.
Get a freaking clue!
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @11:53PM
Fallacious thinkers are as fallacious thinkers do. Try again.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday September 13 2017, @08:06PM
They aren't deplorables, who I love. They are undesirables. The situation is very deplorable. While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses? Turning its finest and most luxurious shopping districts into an outdoor flea market, clogging and seriously downgrading the area? The image of San Diego will suffer. I hope you can stop this very deplorable situation before it is too late. 🇺🇸
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @01:41PM
Socialism is only the answer to one question: Why are you starving?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @06:34PM (13 children)
Shitting is a basic human right. You cannot say that the homeless have the right to shit, and not give them the facilities to do so! Who is at fault here? Middle class Americans who voted for Reagan. If you are old enough, you will remember we used not to have homeless living on the streets. Occasional bums/hoboes, but it was not until Proposition 13 and the California Rightwing Nutjob revolt against taxes that there arose of large enough of a class of the lumpen-proletariat to be able to pose civic health risks like this. So I say, arrest all Republicans, it is their fault. The Made it Happen, and now they want Law Enforcement to clean up what is in essence their shit? With my tax dollars?
No, we demand flush toliets for all. What kind of country is this, anyway? I mean, this is not Canada!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @06:51PM (11 children)
I don't know about you, but I pay for my bathroom stops one way or another.
I feel very bad about using other people's facilities without compensating them; if I can, I'll try to purchase something from an establishment, or I'll thank the person profusely. I do not take for granted any "right" to use someone's property for a place to shit.
That is why I belong in civil society, and these animals do not.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:19PM (10 children)
You do not belong in civil society when you throw around "animals" to describe people fallen on hard times. Consider yourself lucky you have not, be fucking grateful about it, and hope you don't become homeless yourself.
Otherwise some other fuck like you will be telling you that you are the animal not fit for civil society.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:41PM (9 children)
You'll note in the top comment: "Homeless people are not just normal people on hard times".
There are complex issues that make people behave like animals—they are not just down on their luck; they are behaving like animals, and that needs to be recognized so that it can be dealt with rather than ignored.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 13 2017, @07:50PM (8 children)
So, question for you...those few weeks in fall 2010 when I was homeless, despite keeping myself well-behaved and never harming anyone, shitting/pissing outside etc...was I an "animal?" Am I STILL an "animal?"
You're going to reincarnate poor and end up homeless. It's clear reason, logic, and basic human decency have failed to convince you; the only thing left is for you is to experience it yourself. I hope you learn your lesson well.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @08:06PM (7 children)
The answer is inherent in all that I've written: No, you were not an animal; that's why you're no longer homeless—you weren't ever a homeless person, just merely a normal person on hard times.
That's not what we're talking about, and you know it!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @09:53PM (4 children)
That is exactly what we're talking about. People who have fallen on hard times and are now homeless. Some people have better access to support such as friends and family. Some people are mentally ill and need help, but they should not have help forced upon them unless they demonstrate repeated violent behavior. There is no way to magically separate normal from mentally disturbed.
You are so clueless!!! Makes me think you're young, just presuming everyone shares your same word definitions and general view of reality. Or very old and your synapses are fused.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 13 2017, @11:56PM
Let's see you counter that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @12:41AM (2 children)
Well, if it isn't obvious when the troll redefines “homeless” to mean something other than “without housing,” I don't know how else our violently imposed troll can make it more clear that s/he's trolling.
I will say, though, to your credit, violently imposed troll, this is excellent trolling. You seem to have struck a nerve on this board. Quite a haul!
It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. Otherwise the media will redefine the word troll to mean merely abusive or offensive.
I get tired of perfectly good words being redefined to mean things there are other perfectly good words for. The quality of this troll is so good, I'm even posting here!
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @02:39AM (1 child)
Violently imposed troll? You're obviously a fuckwit, a progressive, and probably a cocksucker too. Obviously, you have chosen to click the link, and chose to read the comments. No one came to your house, held a gun to your head, and forced you to read what is posted here. Why don't you just dox yourself, and we can send someone over to help you understand what "violently imposed" means.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:39AM
Oh don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be in this thread if I didn't find it hilarious how well you get this board riled up!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:29AM
And so because I was homeless for six months in 1986, sleeping in parks and pissing/shitting/fucking where I could, I'm an animal too?
You know what, it's damn near impossible to get/keep a job when you have no place to shower or keep clean clothes. And just to clarify, as you seem to be completely clueless about this sort of thing: No job == No money; No money == No way to pay rent/mortgage; No way to pay rent/mortgage == no home.
If it weren't for the kindness and decency of friends and even complete strangers, I would never have gotten off the street. Thank goodness most people aren't like you -- sociopathic scumbags
You're an entitled piece of shit. Go fuck yourself, and not in the fun, sexy way either!
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:04AM
Ah, I see...when you say "homeless," you don't actually mean homeless. You mean "a bunch of poors I want genocided because their very existence disgusts me and my excuse is that some of them are mentally ill and shit on the streets."
Gotcha. Yeah, they're gonna have a special spot in Hell for you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @02:42AM
Just for your information, San Diego had hordes of homeless people long before Reagan happened. Other cities had homeless too, but San Diego had hordes of them. San Diego has always seemed to be a Mecca for homeless people.