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posted by martyb on Thursday September 14 2017, @12:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the sniff-sniff-I-have-a-very-bad-code dept.

Speaking at the Noisebridge hackerspace Tuesday evening, Chelsea Manning implored a crowd of makers, nerds, and developers to be ethical coders.

"As a coder, I know that you can build a system and it works, but you're thinking about the immediate result, you're not thinking about that this particular code could be misused, or it could be used in a different manner," she said, as part of a conversation with Noisebridge co-founder Mitch Altman.

Altman began the conversation by asking about artificial intelligence and underscoring some of the risks in that field.

"We're now using huge datasets with all kinds of personal data, that we don't even know what information we're putting out there and what it's getting collected for," Manning said. "Our AI systems are getting better and better and better, and we don't know what the social consequences of that are. The code that we write, the bias that you see in some of the systems that you see, we don't know if we're causing feedback loops with those kinds of bias."

[...] "The tools that you make for marketing can also be used to kill people," Manning continued. "We have an obligation to think of the tools that we're making and how we're using them and not just churn out code for whatever reason. You want to think about how your end-user could misuse your code."

Guns don't kill people, code kills people.


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  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:01PM (12 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:01PM (#567931) Journal

    Spam is for advertising, thinly veiled or otherwise. Spam is not for troll posts.

    And, good luck with 4chan. You may have a point to make, but you fail to make it when you overstate it.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by SomeGuy on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:54PM

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:54PM (#567967)

    Spam is for advertising, thinly veiled or otherwise. Spam is not for troll posts

    Incorrect. Please re-read the moderation guidelines: https://soylentnews.org/faq.pl?op=moderation#spam [soylentnews.org]

    "Spam Mod

    The spam moderation (spam mod) is to be used only on comments that genuinely qualify as spam. Spam is unsolicited advertisement, undesired and offtopic filth, or possibly illegal in general. Spam can come in many forms, but it differs from a troll comment in that it will have absolutely no substance, is completely undesired, are detrimental to the site, or worse."

    (emphasis added) Also see the examples, which are almost dead ringers of this and several other comments under this story.

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:54PM (9 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:54PM (#567968) Journal

    No according to the admins or the moderation guidelines...

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday September 14 2017, @07:09PM (8 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 14 2017, @07:09PM (#568018) Journal

      Spam mod is not for trolling? Really? You actually can learn something new every single day here on SoylentNews! I guess I should not have spam modded TMB for his contentless and lame troll posts.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 14 2017, @08:02PM (7 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 14 2017, @08:02PM (#568056) Journal

        I was told it's for dealing with persistent and *off-topic* trolls. I did spam-mod his beaky carrion-molesting ass once and got a month's mod-ban for it, but it's fairly clear he just doesn't like having the truth pointed out to him :)

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        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 14 2017, @09:49PM (3 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday September 14 2017, @09:49PM (#568099) Journal

          How is it that this particular group of folks, who revolted against Slashdot over a GUI change, is perfectly fine with Admins directly manipulating moderation and the mod-pool?

          If Slashdot pulled this crap people would be freaking the hell out!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @10:52PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @10:52PM (#568125)

            How can you tell that the Slashdot admins don't do this kind of thing?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 15 2017, @12:22AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 15 2017, @12:22AM (#568170)

            Quite a few people have complained about it, but at least TMB is a hypocritical bitch who hates censorship but will lash out when he's picked on. Big fucking baby is what he is, makes runaway look like a mature and responsible adult.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 15 2017, @05:07AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 15 2017, @05:07AM (#568296) Journal

            I've been wondering the exact same thing. These tech sites seem to attract a lot of hardcore authoritarian followers for some reason, and this baffles me, *especially* seeing how many of them there are in/around FOSS. Someone else here, I think it was Grishnakh, specifically said (assuming this is a he, please correct me if wrong) he notices a lot of RWA thinking and attitudes among engineers.

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        • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 15 2017, @01:32AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 15 2017, @01:32AM (#568205)

          We can just as easily conclude that the left-leaning members don't like having the truth pointed out to them. They find truth to be "offensive".

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 15 2017, @05:04AM (1 child)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 15 2017, @05:04AM (#568291) Journal

            No, no we may not conclude this, because in the time I've been sampling this forum, I've found the self-admitted lefties are far more amenable to the truth and to changing their views if necessary. They also tend to be less deluded about basic aspects of humanity than the right-wing members to begin with.

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            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @05:26PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @05:26PM (#569040)

              No, no we may not [anecdotes], because I've [anecdotes]! People who agree with me also agree with me!

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday September 16 2017, @10:03AM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Saturday September 16 2017, @10:03AM (#568901) Homepage Journal

    If we fill our our Homepage URL, it's a little ad. I'm telling you, it's a little advertisement. Which we're invited to put there. Pretty much invited. But believe me, I've looked at a lot, a lot of sites. And this one has a lot less advertising than some of them. Because the Spam mod is working great? Or other reasons. I think there's other reasons. Maybe there's other reasons. And let me tell you, I don't think it's necessary. For an ad or for this egregious display of hatred and bigotry. Or for just telling it like it is, which is very upsetting to Dems, to certain Dems. All of which are considered Spam. All of those are Spam, but Flamebait, Troll and Offtopic are all different. Honestly, I get a lot, a lot of Spam mods. Amazed that a lot got removed! But maybe it's not necessary for the site. 🇺🇸