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It's 2017. Why are there still Nazis?
It's a question many observers are asking after hundreds of white supremacists, many displaying swastikas and Confederate battle flags and shouting racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-communist slogans, took to the streets of Charlottesville, Va., this weekend, provoking violence that claimed the life of one counter-protester and resulted in multiple injuries.
The continued existence of people who hold openly white supremacist ideologies more than seven decades after the fall of the Third Reich can be explained, in part, through a social theory developed in the early 1990s. Social dominance theory seeks to explain how hierarchy-enhancing ideologies do not just drive social inequality, but are also a result of it. It suggests that a single personality trait, called social dominance orientation (SDO), strongly predicts a person's political and social views, from foreign policy and criminal justice to civil rights and the environment. What's more, it offers insight into how ideologies such as racism, sexism, and xenophobia tend to arise from the unequal distribution of a society's resources.
"Social dominance theory provides a yardstick for measuring social and political ideologies," says Felicia Pratto, who developed the theory with fellow psychologist Jim Sidanius. "SDO is one way – not the only one – to try to figure out what those ideologies are 'about.'"
You too can take the Social Dominance Orientation quiz to determine your nazi quotient.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @10:38PM (54 children)
They lost! Get over it!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @10:54PM (21 children)
Yet the democrats continue to march and bitch about it and tearing down their history. In my life I have met 1 honest to God KKK member. He quit in the 80s because it was too violent. Yet if you watch the news KKK, Nazis, and Russians are everywhere. To be feared. The are a vastly tiny minority to be ignored. Yet if you want to believe the newest creations of the Democratic party (BLM and AntiFA) we should fear them and kick their heads in. Well they would know, they created the very groups they are telling us to fear and blaming the republicans for it. Then turning around and acting exactly like the very groups we are told to fear. Maybe they can trot out previous democrat candidate david duke again to show how bad everyone is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:04PM
David Duke is an opportunist, he ran as both a Republican and a Democrat. He was a Republican State Senator who ran as a Republican for President then the next time ran as a Democrat. What's your point? Your white hood covers it nicely.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:24PM (9 children)
Just having a little fun with you.
My father is a white supremacist, but not KKK. He's Christian Identity. It was boy-type Clinton that did it to him, if anything. Lots of people, dad included, were hoping for Jesus to return after a Jewish power grab following Y2K. Then Jesus was supposed to lead dad and his sons in jihad against the infidels.
I don't know if dad is still a Christian Identity minister; haven't spoken to him since.
What I'm struggling to understand is that if the people here and now, 17 years later, have grievances and believe that they really have become victims of racial oppression, why, of all things they could possibly choose to rally around, would they choose Nazis, the KKK, and the CSA?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by qzm on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:49PM (4 children)
Because the left has already labeled anyone who does not fight to show a more extreme left signaling than the next person as a Nazi?
If you are going to label half your own damn country (wrongly..) Nazis, don't be surprised when they act more like them..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @02:49AM (2 children)
You wanna see extreme left signaling? Just ride through Miami on I-95...
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:07AM (1 child)
Hey, you never once drove for 2 miles without realizing that your left blinker was still on?
Quit picking on us old folks, dude.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:50AM
My vehicle beeps at me if I leave the blinker on.
I will somewhat shamefacedly admit I've heard that particular beep several times...
Yeah, over 60 here.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @08:26AM
How interesting.
Would you be okay with replacing Nazis with Islamic terrorists in your statement?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:39AM (3 children)
Lots of reasons for Nazis. Not a lot of "real" Nazis though.
When the official Narrative says anyone to the Right of Antifa is a NAZI! it causes major distortions in reality. First you get the people who resign themselves to being labeled a Nazi regardless and decide if they can't escape the label to at least try out the stylish jackboots.
Then you get the ironic Nazis. Then related are the LARPer Nazis like Anglin at dailystormer (of so much recent sound and fury) who just poses as a Nazi because it gets attention and he thinks it is hilarious to post Nazi memes for lulz. But I heard him debate Vox Day and it was clear the guy has never so much as even browsed Hitler's writings. Hell, he is too young to have even seen the Hollywood Nazis on Hogan's Heros. Anglin is a troll.
Then you get wanna be Nazis like David Duke. Sorry, the Klan isn't really Nazi, it was the terror wing of the Democratic Party long before Hitler was born. They might want to aspire to be Nazis but no, ain't happening. Since being cast aside when the Democratic Party went in a different direction and downsided em they have been haplessly flailing around for a reason to exist.
Then there are the wanna be Nazis at Stormfront, but their tech sucked and couldn't survive the shuttening.
If you search hard enough though there ARE some actual Nazis who really know what it is and believe it. But then if you search hard enough you can find people who believe just about anything on the Internet. If every one of em converted a hundred new recruits they wouldn't be a big enough problem to justify keeping them as the designated #1 threat. As usual we chase phantoms to distract from actual problems.
As for Confederates, try reading some history. Dig though, remember that Lincoln's side won and got to write most of the history books so be sure to find some from the other side too. Until you actually know why so many Southerners who didn't own slaves were willing to fight and die you do not understand. Until you can see where both sides had an argument for being right AND were vulnerable to equally strong arguments as to why they were wrong; you do not understand. Until you realize that the Confederate veterans were eventually granted pensions and other benefits from the US Government and understand how that could happen, you still need to read more history. Reality is much more complex than the soundbites we are given.
Ponder this. The South lost, Lee surrendered. Yet there are statues of him across the country. There are few if any statues of General Cornwallis even though we now consider England our best friend and ally in the world. Why? When you know the answer you will achieve enlightenment.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @03:17AM
There are few if any statues of General Cornwallis even though we now consider England our best friend and ally in the world. Why?
Is it because *England is a fag country* [youtube.com]?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:17AM
why so many Southerners who didn't own slaves were willing to fight and die
I already linked to a killer bit of audio [kpfk.org] when replying to another nitwit (E-f). [soylentnews.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @07:54AM
Oh the lack of self awareness!
As for the Nazis, try reading some history. Dig through, remember that Hitler's side lost and all the world's official history books are from the side that won. If you try real hard, you can find historians trying to dig up the truth. [youtube.com] But you won't like it, because it uses facts to disprove the established narratives. Looks like the good guys don't always win every war...
(Score: 5, Informative) by number11 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:29AM (9 children)
That's nuts. Groups like BLM and Antifa aren't "creations of the Democratic party", they view the Democratic Party as a center-right party controlled by corporate interests. And it is. The fact that the Republican party now includes extreme-right elements doesn't make the Democrats leftists. And while Antifa does include some people who believe violence works (much like the US and state governments believe)(and a few of who are likely agents provocateur, not unlike those who work for the FBI and hustle disaffected people to form terrorist cells, so that they can then arrest them and brag about how the FBI is protecting everyone). BLM seems pretty peaceful, as far as anti-person violence goes. Note that BLM is not crowds rioting. And in any case let's not conflate breaking a window with terrorists who drive into crowds.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:41AM (8 children)
"Note that BLM is not crowds rioting."
Yes, of course you're right. Stores weren't burnt, automobiles weren't destroyed in Ferguson. Not by BLM anyway. It was all part of the vast right wing conspiracy to make some lefties look bad. And, everything was covered by insurance anyway, right?
/sarcasm
BLM is just another fascist group ready and willing to resort to violence when it suits them. Racist assholes are always willing to rally to one flag or another. BLM has chosen their banner.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:30AM (6 children)
As happens repeatedly WRT protests, the folks doing the damage were undercover cops. [google.com]
It's obvious that that's the reason those folks weren't arrested and we don't know their names.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:40AM (5 children)
Yeah, well, if all of that be true, then someone needs to dig into it, and PROVE IT!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @09:45AM (4 children)
It's well documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @10:15AM (3 children)
Ferguson doesn't seem to be mentioned on that page . . . or black lives matter . . . black is mentioned, specifically "black leaders", but it doesn't reference anything about Ferguson.
Besides which, it has often been pointed out that the wikipedia is NOT an authoritative source for anything. I mean, you can't take your suspicions to court, and use Wikipedia as a source for evidence. Did I mention something like "dig into it and PROVE IT" or did I not?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:02AM (1 child)
Just calm the fuck down and shut the fuck up, Runaway. Yes, accepted fact contra-indicates your Fox News driven worldview. It is not the first time, man! Buck up, get ahold of yourself, and just deal with it, OK? You are wrong, again. Just accept it, and try to learn from the error. Or you will be mocked mercilessly, and with out end. Do you want to be mocked, Runaway? I have a few choice descriptives all ready to throw down on you, if you want them!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:08PM
You, Mr/Ms AC, have this preoccupation with Faux Noise. When do you understand that I don't use Fox as a news source very often? Oh, I click on them now and then, because the do have stories that the rest of MSM doesn't cover. But, I've clicked on more Canadian stories this month, than I have Fox. More Indian stories than Fox. Probably as many Chinese stories as Fox. Even in my non-Progressive world, Fox is a third-rate news source. In your more progressive world, the US MSM is probably your prime source of news. Hey, get out of your little echo chamber, and add some foreign news sources to your news feeds. Russia, China, Oz, India, Israel, Iran, Canada - there are a lot of points of view other than your US-centric MSM.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @07:06AM
Wikipedia is not a source but a collection of sources...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by number11 on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:35AM
Exactly right. There was destruction, but not by BLM. You don't think that all blacks are BLM members, do you? There were a lot of pissed off people who'd been getting screwed for years, and who saw that cops would cover for each other, and governments and courts would cover for them, regardless of what they had done. (Now, I'm not saying that that was necessarily a correct view, but that's what a lot of people saw.)
Nah. The only right wing conspiracy is to pretend that cops can do no wrong (or that, if they do, the consequences to them are the same as the consequences would be to you or me). I wouldn't call BLM particularly leftist, either (race is kinda orthogonal to politics, if you're not a racist). BLM is mostly concerned with the fact that cops kill black people pretty much with impunity. We still have to see if the case in Minnesota where a black cop killed a white woman is treated the same. (It might be, in which case All Lives Matter, though your odds are a lot worse if you're black.)
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:12PM (16 children)
Shouldn't the Confederate flag be solid white?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:17AM (15 children)
You're thinking of the French flag. If we had a north vs south scenario again and disregarded the nuclear weapons, the south would stomp the shit out of the north.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:37AM
Have you seen the second confederate flag?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:45AM (13 children)
You can say that, knowing that cities like Austin have been infected with the liberal ideology? They are indoctrinating and infecting the youth with liberalism, and you think the South still has the strength to fight the North? No fucking way.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday September 17 2017, @02:29AM (12 children)
What I was referring to was all the military bases in the South. The big fuckers like Fort Bragg, Benning, Campbell, Hood, all that stuff around Pensacola etc.
I've been to Bragg many times. It's it's own city, and before 9/11 it was an open post and any Joe Shit the Ragman could just drive right in like any other city. Those army dudes are pretty cool, I enjoyed kicking it with them way more than I did the sniveling pussies of my own branch.
But yeah, Obeezy did start pussifying the military and because of that and heightened post-drawdown enlistment standards, all the tough potential recruits were weeded out and all the vets with combat experience are reluctantly bailing.
The point of the military is to fight. Brave people make better fighters than pussies do.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @02:53AM (11 children)
Speaking of sniveling pussies . . .
Have you read Tom Kratman's essay, Training for War? I think that I may read it again this weekend, depending on what comes up.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:44AM (10 children)
Your dick is still going to be microscopic and your daddy still won't love you, though. Maybe eventually you'll figure out you don't fix your broken manhood by jacking off to images of even more broken manhood.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:35AM (9 children)
This fixation on my dick - have you talked to your special other about it? Are you in an open relationship? You repeatedly make mention of my anatomy. Are you gay but curious? Are you wondering if you've missed out on something? What is the deal? If you are searching for something, please just say so. Although I'm not interested, some other Soylentil may offer what you need. Half of the people in the world have dicks, after all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:06AM
What? Runaway has a dick? Well, I never! I just assumed he was a Fox New Unick, just like Sean Hammity and Rusk Limpdick, who have no progeny, because they have no penises. But I have heard he has some kids. Adoption? Anchor babies? What is going on???
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:32PM (7 children)
You, um, aren't paying attention are you? I am gay, a gay woman, and my girlfriend's reaction to seeing your posts is identical: "yup, this guy's got the shrinky-dinks." This is what we refer to as a metaphor. Your actual anatomy may be of normal proportions, but the dick within, as it were, is causing you inadequacy and shame :D
Your responses are kind of, um, limp too.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 18 2017, @05:49AM (6 children)
More humor. Maybe I can be your agent, and get you some television time?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 18 2017, @04:48PM (5 children)
If you think your posts are in any way humorous, the only sort of agent I can recommend you is a family member with power of attorney. You are seriously beginning to worry me, in the "shit, is he getting early-onset Alzheimer's?" way.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 18 2017, @05:05PM (4 children)
Physician, heal thyself.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 18 2017, @08:35PM (3 children)
That's an admission of defeat. "Hurr hurr NO U!" didn't work in second grade and doesn't work now.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 19 2017, @01:29PM (2 children)
I suppose that's a "whoosh". The quote wasn't from a second grade classroom - it was from Jesus. Think about it . . .
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 19 2017, @04:23PM (1 child)
And hey, guess what? When Jesus used it, he had a right to. When you used it just now...you didn't. There's this thing called context, and this other thing called external reality, and you seem to have a very shaky relationship with both. One more time: insulting someone else for your own failings, especially if the other person does not in fact possess them, does not absolve you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 20 2017, @01:07AM
Context, you say. And, look at you - attempting to psychoanalyze me. Grow up, Azuma, and stop taking yourself so seriously. The context is perfectly apt. The fact that you don't like it, or don't agree with it doesn't change that it applies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:08AM (14 children)
Nazis never wanted to fight, they never wanted war. Mr. Hitler did mention in his speeches many times that those who fuel the flames of war will be destroyed themselves. Mr. Hitler tried many times and failed, to end the war with Britain and her friends. The jewish side was too strong in control of Britain, USA etc and they wanted war at any cost to those doing the fighting. Jews became more powerful than ever as a result.
Today those same jews want a third world war. Let us not give it to them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:54AM (7 children)
Some claim that if you get sucked into a black hole you will end up in another universe.
Is that what happened to you?
You seem to have missed the invasions of the Rhineland, the Sudetenland, Poland...
...and this was in addition to having provided military support for Franco and his Fascist forces in Spain.
...or do you think that that thing with Chamberlain was something other than a mind game?
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:14AM (5 children)
Again, this is why we cannot have white supremacism, White folks are too stupid to be superior, they have very bad culture, music, and cuisine, and they apparently cannot remember history! Just totalen dummkopf, und jeder ein totaler Idiot. Warum sind weiße Leute so dumm? Einige von ihnen waren intelligent, wie Goethe, Hegel, Schelling und Beethoven. Aber danach, echte Idioten.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:12PM (2 children)
Again, this is why we cannot have Greek intellects*, Greeks are too stupid to be superior, they have very bad culture, music, and cuisine, and they apparently cannot remember history! Just totalen dummkopf, und jeder ein totaler Idiot. Warum sind weiße Leute so dumm? Einige von ihnen waren intelligent, wie Goethe, Hegel, Schelling und Beethoven. Aber danach, echte Idioten.
*Except the Spartans. Spartans were pretty smart people.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:24PM (1 child)
Err… shouldn't that last part of the first paragraph have been in Greek rather than German? And certainly Goethe, Hegel, Schelling and Beethoven would need to be replaced with Greeks, too.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @01:05AM
Come, now. Let's at least give the little tyke some points for trying!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:09PM (1 child)
"White folks are too stupid to be superior"
You brought up "superiority" to an otherwise sane topic. Racism should not exist and those causing racial tensions are jews. It is always the jews.
And what makes you think anyone feeling "superior" must be a Nazi German? Can't they be Non-White, Non-Europeans?
Look in the mirror, american, and see a superior terrorist.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday September 18 2017, @01:14AM
American? Who you talking to, Willis?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @03:52PM
Rhineland was German territory and Hitler put military back where it was supposed to be. Stopped the from French looting his country any more, ended the terrible Treaty of Versailles.
Sudetenland contained Germans and they had to be freed. It was the honorable thing to do. A dishonorable thing would be to leave them at the mercy of whoever had more guns.
Do you remember when Poland was divided between Germany and The Soviet Union? Do you remember when Poland was given assurances of full military support in case of German invasion and as a result the Polish were getting too out of control? The jews wanted war at any cost. They forced France and Britain to declare war on Germany.
Franco... It is legal to make alliances, I'm sure you've heard.
Chamberlain made an agreement because his military generals told him they could not fight a war with Germany and win. Then preparation for war started in britain at full speed immediately afterwards. The british wanted war as soon as possible. How evil is that!!!
Do you remember the British Mandate which gave the world the illegitimate terrorist state of israel? The jews had everything to gain from war and still do, as a matter of fact. All the world fighting and killing each other is in best jewish interest.
Zion Begone!
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:27PM (5 children)
Correct. They wanted to intimidate everyone into surrendering at the first opportunity. Unfortunately for them, a certain Mr Winston Churchill [wikipedia.org] saw what they were up to and stood up to them while everyone else was too busy looking the other way and making apologies for them.
A few years later people came to their senses and teamed up to help defeat the Nazis.
I hope we don't see a repetition of this particular chapter of history. Let's nip it in the bud.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @03:30PM (4 children)
Churchill was a War Criminal. Then after the war he is supposed to have uttered these infamous words: "we've slaughtered the wrong pig". What can a normal, thinking, intelligent human make of that thing ... that smelly, filthy animal called churchill?
"A few years later people came to their senses and teamed up to help defeat the Nazis."
Tell that to a world who suffered the consequences of the Nazis being defeated. Millions died, but you couldn't care less. You are the kind of people who brings war to a peaceful world, takes what belongs to others. You must be an American.
Average regular everyday American: "Do they have something we can use? Lets kill them all and take it."
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday September 17 2017, @03:47PM (3 children)
What a pathetic attempt at a troll. That deserves a "+1 funny" but I've run out of mod points.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @03:58PM (2 children)
You are a member of JIDF, I get it now. Avoiding a reply and calling names, etc.
Churchill is still a War Criminal.
America is still a terrorist state.
Anyone who remembers the Cold War knows better than the brainwashed children of today.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:19PM
Is there someone who looks after you? Do they know you're on the computer?
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @01:10AM
I remember the Cold War and you are talking complete shit. FOAD, Nazi apologist!!!