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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @10:54AM   Printer-friendly

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/09/24/ohio-bill-would-bar-abortion-when-prenatal-test-is-positive-for-down-syndrome/

an Ohio bill [would] ban abortions in cases where a pregnant woman has had a positive test result or prenatal diagnosis indicating Down syndrome. Physicians convicted of performing an abortion under such circumstances could be charged with a fourth-degree felony, stripped of their medical license and held liable for legal damages. The pregnant woman would face no criminal liability.

Several other states have considered similar measures, triggering emotional debate over women's rights, parental love, and the trust between doctor and patient.

The Ohio bill's chief Senate sponsor, Republican Sen. Frank LaRose, said Republican lawmakers accelerated the measure after hearing a mid-August CBS News report on Iceland's high rate of abortions in cases involving Down syndrome. The report asserted Iceland had come close to "eradicating" such births.

[...] Doctors and medical students are fighting the measure.

Parvaneh Nouri, a third-year medical student at Wright State University, told lawmakers it would do little to stop abortions but could stop information-sharing between patients and their doctors.

“It destroys the trust of our patients, for which we have worked tirelessly over generations of physicians to cultivate,” she said.

Indiana's version of the law has been blocked by a federal judge while North Dakota's law has gone unchallenged due to the state's only abortion clinic not performing abortions after 16 weeks. An Oklahoma bill that would prohibit abortions based on any genetic abnormalities did not reach the state Senate.

Previously: Down Syndrome Births Nearly Eliminated in Iceland


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @12:03PM (32 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @12:03PM (#573053)

    Because they're weird brown people who worship a weird brown god. Plus all their people are squatting on top of our oil. If they were blue and worshiped a green flying naked mole rat we'd hate them just as much.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:39PM (26 children)

    by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:39PM (#573095) Homepage Journal

    Because they're weird brown people who worship a weird brown god. Plus all their people are squatting on top of our oil. If they were blue and worshiped a green flying naked mole rat we'd hate them just as much.

    Actually it's only because they're squatting on our oil.

    In case you weren't aware, the Muslim (fake) invisible sky-daddy is the same (fake) invisible sky-daddy as the Christians and the Jews. Allah = Jehovah = Yahweh.

    So if Islam's god is a weird, brown one, then so is Christianity's and Judaism's.

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    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:54PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:54PM (#573100)

      while correct, I doubt your statement "Allah = Jehovah = Yahweh" will be taken seriously by anyone who takes their religion seriously.
      in fact I bet it would get you killed in some places.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:46PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:46PM (#573141)

        Err, Muslims ASSERT that it's the same god. Their issue is that other people are worshiping him wrong.

        You do know that they trace back to the same Abraham that Christians and Jews do, right?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:26PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:26PM (#573171)

          You're right. That's why all three religions get along so famously. That's why the Catholics and Protestants have always gotten along so well too.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:57PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:57PM (#573206)

            Yep. Sunni and Shia as well. Let's also not forget Eastern Orthodox. It's just one big, happy Yahweh-worshiping family.

            Hopefully this all illustrates how fucking stupid the whole sky wizard idea is. Ever since Abraham had some crazy command hallucinations [wikipedia.org] while dehydrated in a desert and probably high on camel jenkem, every so often somebody comes along and suddenly realizes "omg, the priests are worshiping Yahweh wrong! here is my lawyer-like interpretation of the etymology of a solitary word that proves that only I know the one true way to worship Yahweh!"

            Then everybody starts killing each other over who has the more correct way of worshiping the imaginary sky daddy.

            Damned thing gets forked more often than a github project.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:13AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:13AM (#573642)

              The best God joke ever--and it's mine! by Emo Philips [theguardian.com]

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

              "Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:55PM

          by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:55PM (#573201)

          joke time:

          Benjamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas are about to begin negotiations over the distribution of land for Palestinians, when Netanyahu says, "Before we start the meeting, I want to tell an old Passover story."

          "When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert. When they reached the Promised Land, the people had become very thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts' content. Moses put down his staff and went to a solitary corner of the pond to drink, and meditate in prayer. But once Moses returned, he found that his staff had been stolen."

          "I have reason to believe that the Palestinians stole the staff of our great Prophet Moses."

          Abbas, hearing this accusation, jumps from his seat and screams out, "This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no such thing as 'Palestinians' at that time!"

          "And with that in mind," says Netanyahu, "let's start the meeting."

          --
          "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:39PM (4 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:39PM (#573237) Journal

          Who and/or what, exactly, traces back to Abraham? In theory at least, every Jew in the world can count Abraham as a direct forebear. (Well, at least those who can afford four bears.) Christians? Not only no, but HELL NO!! Ditto for Muslims. Some few Muslims can claim Mohammed as an ancestor, but Mohammed can't claim descent from Abraham.

          But, yeah, Muslims do CLAIM that they worship the same God that Jews and Christians worship. That is more than enough to confuse most nonbelievers.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:22PM (3 children)

            by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:22PM (#573271) Journal

            Christians? Not only no, but HELL NO!!

            Hmm?

            The Abram/Abraham legend is the basis of ritual infant genital mutilation in Christianity. Christian Identity, for example, claims that Caucasians are the lost tribe of Israel, direct descendants of Abraham, and the 144,000 some odd elect in Revelation.

            I went to the usual sources, but then I realized this [conservapedia.com] might be a better summary. Even includes the claim “Arab Muslims trace their lineage back to Abraham (known as Ibrahim) through his son Ishmael.”

            • (Score: 1) by Type44Q on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:25PM (1 child)

              by Type44Q (4347) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:25PM (#573473)

              ...is the basis of ritual infant genital mutilation in Christianity

              That's a Jewish practice, not Christian.

              • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:45PM

                by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:45PM (#573528) Journal

                Ah, my bad. I tried searching, but Luke 2:21 didn't help. So I checked Matthew 5 and found something along those lines in verses 17–20 MSG. Jesus is addressing “those who were apprenticed to him” after climbing a hillside to find somewhere quiet away from the crowds his ministry was drawing:

                “Don’t suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures—either God’s Law or the Prophets. I’m not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama. God’s Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet. Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God’s Law will be alive and working.

                “Trivialize even the smallest item in God’s Law and you will only have trivialized yourself. But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom. Unless you do far better than the Pharisees in the matters of right living, you won’t know the first thing about entering the kingdom.”

                My lack of familiarity with the source material must be leading me astray. Where may I find the part that says that Christians have been deluded about male circumcision and its necessity as part of Yahweh's covenant with Abraham for about the past century or two?

            • (Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:03AM

              by dry (223) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:03AM (#573593) Journal

              “Arab Muslims trace their lineage back to Abraham (known as Ibrahim) through his son Ishmael.”

              My understanding is that it was another case of the all loving Father God playing favourites between two brothers, again. The Jews descended from the favoured brother and the Arabs from the unfavoured brother.
              Got to love Gods morals.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:52PM

        by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:52PM (#573147) Homepage Journal

        while correct, I doubt your statement "Allah = Jehovah = Yahweh" will be taken seriously by anyone who takes their religion seriously.
        in fact I bet it would get you killed in some places.

        That's unsurprising. Anyone who is gullible enough to subscribe to such demonstrably false belief systems will likely believe all manner of moronic bullshit.

        Especially in the U.S., as Peter Medawar observed [anvari.org]:

        The USA is so enormous, and so numerous are its schools, colleges and
        religious seminaries, many devoted to special religious beliefs ranging
        from the unorthodox to the dotty, that we can hardly wonder at its
        yielding a more bounteous harvest of gobbledygook than the rest of the
        world put together.

        --
        No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:25PM (#573122)

      The brown people/brown god reference is what makes it easy to justify the misery inflicted upon said brown people squatting on our oil.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:16PM (7 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:16PM (#573339) Journal

      Allah = Jehovah = Yahweh

      Jehovah and Yahweh are different transliterations of the same Hebrew word. Long before vowel markings were added to Hebrew script, vowels were pronounced, but not written. Vowel markings to visually indicate vowels are a recent development. It is unclear, and no tape recording exists, of how it was originally pronounced. (Should YHWH be pronounced with three syllables or two? Should the vowels be borrowed from Elohim or Adonai? Should the W be pronounced with more of a W sound or more of a V sound?)

      Muslims assert that Allah is the same God. But apparently differ about it being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which is what Jews and Christians recognize. (Example: Genesis 50:24 [biblegateway.com])

      --
      People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:09PM (5 children)

        by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:09PM (#573400) Homepage Journal

        Muslims assert that Allah is the same God. But apparently differ about it being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which is what Jews and Christians recognize. (Example: Genesis 50:24 [biblegateway.com])

        I don't subscribe to any of those demonstrably false belief systems. However, IIUC Muslims claim to worship the god of Abraham [wikipedia.org]. In my book, that means they're all the same.

        You can hem and haw about it all you want, but all the morons (and if you're a believer, I include you in that too) who call themselves Muslim, Christian or Jew worship the same imaginary, invisible sky-daddy.

        In my mind, they're all full of shit. And full of the same shit too. And the fact that these guys (well, not the Jews, they're forbidden from proselytizing or, except in rare cases, converting others, but they have the same arrogant, self-absorbed prejudices too) have spent centuries fighting, killing and trying to convince others that their way is the right way, the only way, just shows how deluded and ridiculous they are.

        So, any way you slice it, These guys come from a tradition of murder, intolerance and the arrogant belief that their trained-in prejudices are the laws of nature, whether they're Muslim, Christian or Jew. So go ahead and split rhetorical hairs, maybe you can go out and torture and kill some non-believers if you get bored.

        --
        No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
        • (Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:07AM (4 children)

          by dry (223) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:07AM (#573596) Journal

          Muslims also worship Jesus, considering him the second greatest prophet.

          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:14PM (3 children)

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:14PM (#573774) Journal

            For certain values of "worship".

            For informational purposes: Muslims deny that Jesus is God, and that Jesus ever died, thus denying Jesus' resurrection. Consequently Christians cannot accept the faith of Islam. The Bible declares that Jesus is the one and only way to God, and there is no other way. So thus there is an incompatibility between Christianity and all other religions. Except for 'forms' of Christianity that deny the Bible. Manifestation is generally persecution vs compromise, health and wealth, etc.

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            People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
            • (Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:49PM (2 children)

              by dry (223) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:49PM (#573823) Journal

              At one point there was various Christian sects that didn't believe Christ was God either, just that they mostly got wiped out in the first millennium.

      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:37PM

        by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:37PM (#573432)

        Come now, everyone knows the true pronunciation is Yahoo-Wahoo

    • (Score: 2) by davester666 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:04PM (3 children)

      by davester666 (155) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:04PM (#573391)

      Sorry, but no. All the pictures I've see of God (paintings/illustrations) are an old white guy, definitely no brown parts.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:22AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:22AM (#573647)

        All the pictures I've see of God (paintings/illustrations) are an old white guy

        You've lead such a sheltered life. [google.com]

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by davester666 on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:59AM (1 child)

          by davester666 (155) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:59AM (#573705)

          Those are images of Jesus, not God...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:43PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:43PM (#574032)

            There was a time when heretics [google.com] were put to the fire.
            Better watch your back; there might still be some such zealots about.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
            (who was sent to catechism class but didn't slip his brain into Sponge Mode upon arriving; now a radical Anti-Theist).

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:42PM

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:42PM (#573526)

      So if Islam's god is a weird, brown one, then so is Christianity's and Judaism's.

      And according to one of the Zoroastrians I work with, all three stole their best stories from his church.

      Not that he really cares, he did make the point that it all seems a bit silly. He only goes to the temple to keep his Mum happy.

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:51PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:51PM (#573146)

    Well no shit. What are you, 12? Of course we know that Christians and Jews worship the same God and traditions as the Muslims.

    How is this a revelation?

    How is this "Insightful" on SoylentNews?

    How about this: Christianity was the original invader of Europe. It is a foreign religion brought by foreign invaders. The invaders were eventually bred out, and elements of Odinism melted into Christianity. The different sects/denominations within European (and American) Christianity are attempts to reconcile a Pagan mindset with Semitic beliefs. Christianity in Europe looks nothing like Christianity in the Middle East.

    There are no "guardian angels" in the bible. That is hamingja personified, who goes before you and warns you about events to come. There is no Easter Egg, no Easter Bunny, no Santa Claus, no snow covered evergreen trees around white baby Jesus. Those are all pagan elements. Santa specifically is Wotan/Odin. Blonde hair blue eyed bearded Jesus never existed. He is Thor.

    The Old Testament was a polytheistic Semitic religion. It is not the religion of Europe.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:14PM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:14PM (#573165) Homepage
      Maybe you and the poster of https://soylentnews.org/politics/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=21752&page=1&cid=573100#commentwrap can just get a room on your own, so you don't disturb our discussion with your ranting?
      --
      Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:33AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:33AM (#573648)

        &page=1 is -always- noise in a URL.
        I would say that noupdate=1 is also unnecessary.
        Using #573100 instead of #commentwrap will shorten the link a bit as well.

        The page will even resolve without you putting /politics in the URL.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:30PM

      by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:30PM (#573179) Homepage Journal

      Well no shit. What are you, 12? Of course we know that Christians and Jews worship the same God and traditions as the Muslims.

      Maybe you do, but apparently the AC I replied to [soylentnews.org] was unaware of this. Are you just being a dick, or are you unable to remember one post as soon as you read the next?

      Oh, and I don't need a history lesson from you. I am perfectly aware of how these demonstrably false belief systems were promulgated around the world.

      --
      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:54PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:54PM (#573248) Journal

      You are being silly. The original human "invaders of Europe" were the Neanderthals. It has been invaded numerous times since then. It was usually an afterthought on the invasions, though, because of the lousy water supply. Which is one of the reasons the early people worshiped the god of beer. When water supplies are of dubious quality, alcohol is a great thing to add. (Not, perhaps, as good a chlorine tablets, but those were hard to come by.)

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