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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @10:54AM   Printer-friendly

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/09/24/ohio-bill-would-bar-abortion-when-prenatal-test-is-positive-for-down-syndrome/

an Ohio bill [would] ban abortions in cases where a pregnant woman has had a positive test result or prenatal diagnosis indicating Down syndrome. Physicians convicted of performing an abortion under such circumstances could be charged with a fourth-degree felony, stripped of their medical license and held liable for legal damages. The pregnant woman would face no criminal liability.

Several other states have considered similar measures, triggering emotional debate over women's rights, parental love, and the trust between doctor and patient.

The Ohio bill's chief Senate sponsor, Republican Sen. Frank LaRose, said Republican lawmakers accelerated the measure after hearing a mid-August CBS News report on Iceland's high rate of abortions in cases involving Down syndrome. The report asserted Iceland had come close to "eradicating" such births.

[...] Doctors and medical students are fighting the measure.

Parvaneh Nouri, a third-year medical student at Wright State University, told lawmakers it would do little to stop abortions but could stop information-sharing between patients and their doctors.

“It destroys the trust of our patients, for which we have worked tirelessly over generations of physicians to cultivate,” she said.

Indiana's version of the law has been blocked by a federal judge while North Dakota's law has gone unchallenged due to the state's only abortion clinic not performing abortions after 16 weeks. An Oklahoma bill that would prohibit abortions based on any genetic abnormalities did not reach the state Senate.

Previously: Down Syndrome Births Nearly Eliminated in Iceland


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RamiK on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:04PM (13 children)

    by RamiK (1813) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:04PM (#573082)

    Why bother to test for it, if there's nothing you're allowed to do about it?

    Because no one is stopping pregnant women from taking a bus over the state line.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:18PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:18PM (#573115)

    > Because no one is stopping pregnant women from taking a bus over the state line.

    No one, except money and time :/

    • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:52PM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:52PM (#573246) Journal

      Ohio isn't that big. You can drive from northeast corner to southwest corner in about six hours, without speeding. So, if a woman lives right smack in the middle of the state, she can be out of state in three hours or less. So - a half day's travel at most to get to a clinic and back. If she can afford to pay Planned Parenthood to abort the baby, the added travel cost probably doesn't mean much.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by RamiK on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:28PM (4 children)

        by RamiK (1813) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:28PM (#573353)

        Regardless of where you live in the US, even if abortions were many times as expensive and inconvenient, they'd still cost less then even just delivering, let alone raising, a child.

        Overall, anti-abortion laws are just like the tough-against-crime demagogy. Less about Christian morals and more about casting the first stone. After all, what would Jesus say about a state budget that spends so much on cops, courts and jails and so little on healthcare and welfare? Would he approve the current rich and corporation favoring tax-codes? If given the choice between a right-to-bear-arms or an occupy-wallstreet event, which would he have attended? How would he have looked at a law that seeks to jail a mother for aborting her fetus for 30 years instead of giving her the money to support her child for 20?

        I'm sorry. But the Ohio electorate needs to get their morals, constructive measures and priorities straight. Cause right now they're failing at everything.

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        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:20PM (#573409)

          After all, what would Jesus say about a state budget that spends so much on cops, courts and jails and so little on healthcare and welfare? Would he approve the current rich and corporation favoring tax-codes?

          You're thinking of a different Jesus then they do. [beliefnet.com]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:38PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:38PM (#573433)

          I've only got one small nitpick about your post: who the fuck would use a mythical demi-God called Jesus as the arbiter of anything? Why not use fucking Zuul off Ghostbusters instead.

          • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:13AM

            by edIII (791) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:13AM (#573618)

            I dunno man....

            1. Mythical demigod that turn water into wine, a loaf of bread into food that can feed a village, and only speaks of kindness
            2. The demon puppy that will fuck up your fridge, destroy your apartment, and never stop trying to fuck its mate to bring its master, an acknowledged harbinger of destruction for multiple worlds and civilizations.

            Seems to be an easy choice :)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:06AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:06AM (#573594)

          Delivering a child is free. I did 4 of mine that way, peacefully at home.

          Raising a child can be profitable. Federal law allows child labor if the child is working for the parent. Subcontracting... :-)

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:39PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:39PM (#573365)

        Are you intentionally obtuse about the state of poor people in the US, even after Katrina and other disasters showcasing how some people just can't afford the time or money to go ?

        Oddly, poor people (biased for color) seem to be the ones that the same party would want less of, and therefore should be helping abort. The self-contradicting R currents never cease to amaze me.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:30PM (#573127)

    For people with money and a decent job, it's no problem at all.
    Yes, poor people can probably find a way too (for NOW) -- but the point is to keep throwing up obstacles. Criminalize abortion in stages until there is almost nothing left about it that is legal.

  • (Score: 2) by ledow on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:36PM

    by ledow (5567) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:36PM (#573133) Homepage

    After from the other states also legislating the same rubbish.
    And her condition.
    And her torment and stigma in having to do so because her doctor would be jailed if he helped her.
    And the fact that she's not aware of that, if her doctor isn't allowed to advise her on it.
    And money.
    And time.
    And the inevitable follow-up law that punishes the mother for just that.

  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:08PM (2 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:08PM (#573213)

    ... except that the neighboring states of Kentucky, Indiana, and Pennsylvania will probably quickly adopt the same laws if this passes judicial muster.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:01PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:01PM (#573457)

      From Ohio, through a corner of PA, it's not much further to New York, where the "pro-life" movement is a pretty small player politically.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:40PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:40PM (#573484)

        That helps those in the northeastern portion of the state, for those willing to drive about 4 hours round trip. It's no use whatsoever for everyone else. The only other bordering state is Michigan, which is also very much in the thrall of religious zealots right now.

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