an Ohio bill [would] ban abortions in cases where a pregnant woman has had a positive test result or prenatal diagnosis indicating Down syndrome. Physicians convicted of performing an abortion under such circumstances could be charged with a fourth-degree felony, stripped of their medical license and held liable for legal damages. The pregnant woman would face no criminal liability.
Several other states have considered similar measures, triggering emotional debate over women's rights, parental love, and the trust between doctor and patient.
The Ohio bill's chief Senate sponsor, Republican Sen. Frank LaRose, said Republican lawmakers accelerated the measure after hearing a mid-August CBS News report on Iceland's high rate of abortions in cases involving Down syndrome. The report asserted Iceland had come close to "eradicating" such births.
[...] Doctors and medical students are fighting the measure.
Parvaneh Nouri, a third-year medical student at Wright State University, told lawmakers it would do little to stop abortions but could stop information-sharing between patients and their doctors.
“It destroys the trust of our patients, for which we have worked tirelessly over generations of physicians to cultivate,” she said.
Indiana's version of the law has been blocked by a federal judge while North Dakota's law has gone unchallenged due to the state's only abortion clinic not performing abortions after 16 weeks. An Oklahoma bill that would prohibit abortions based on any genetic abnormalities did not reach the state Senate.
Previously: Down Syndrome Births Nearly Eliminated in Iceland
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:39PM (26 children)
Actually it's only because they're squatting on our oil.
In case you weren't aware, the Muslim (fake) invisible sky-daddy is the same (fake) invisible sky-daddy as the Christians and the Jews. Allah = Jehovah = Yahweh.
So if Islam's god is a weird, brown one, then so is Christianity's and Judaism's.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @01:54PM (11 children)
while correct, I doubt your statement "Allah = Jehovah = Yahweh" will be taken seriously by anyone who takes their religion seriously.
in fact I bet it would get you killed in some places.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:46PM (9 children)
Err, Muslims ASSERT that it's the same god. Their issue is that other people are worshiping him wrong.
You do know that they trace back to the same Abraham that Christians and Jews do, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:26PM (2 children)
You're right. That's why all three religions get along so famously. That's why the Catholics and Protestants have always gotten along so well too.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:57PM (1 child)
Yep. Sunni and Shia as well. Let's also not forget Eastern Orthodox. It's just one big, happy Yahweh-worshiping family.
Hopefully this all illustrates how fucking stupid the whole sky wizard idea is. Ever since Abraham had some crazy command hallucinations [wikipedia.org] while dehydrated in a desert and probably high on camel jenkem, every so often somebody comes along and suddenly realizes "omg, the priests are worshiping Yahweh wrong! here is my lawyer-like interpretation of the etymology of a solitary word that proves that only I know the one true way to worship Yahweh!"
Then everybody starts killing each other over who has the more correct way of worshiping the imaginary sky daddy.
Damned thing gets forked more often than a github project.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:13AM
The best God joke ever--and it's mine! by Emo Philips [theguardian.com]
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday September 26 2017, @03:55PM
joke time:
Benjamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas are about to begin negotiations over the distribution of land for Palestinians, when Netanyahu says, "Before we start the meeting, I want to tell an old Passover story."
"When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert. When they reached the Promised Land, the people had become very thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts' content. Moses put down his staff and went to a solitary corner of the pond to drink, and meditate in prayer. But once Moses returned, he found that his staff had been stolen."
"I have reason to believe that the Palestinians stole the staff of our great Prophet Moses."
Abbas, hearing this accusation, jumps from his seat and screams out, "This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no such thing as 'Palestinians' at that time!"
"And with that in mind," says Netanyahu, "let's start the meeting."
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @04:39PM (4 children)
Who and/or what, exactly, traces back to Abraham? In theory at least, every Jew in the world can count Abraham as a direct forebear. (Well, at least those who can afford four bears.) Christians? Not only no, but HELL NO!! Ditto for Muslims. Some few Muslims can claim Mohammed as an ancestor, but Mohammed can't claim descent from Abraham.
But, yeah, Muslims do CLAIM that they worship the same God that Jews and Christians worship. That is more than enough to confuse most nonbelievers.
(Score: 4, Informative) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:22PM (3 children)
Hmm?
The Abram/Abraham legend is the basis of ritual infant genital mutilation in Christianity. Christian Identity, for example, claims that Caucasians are the lost tribe of Israel, direct descendants of Abraham, and the 144,000 some odd elect in Revelation.
I went to the usual sources, but then I realized this [conservapedia.com] might be a better summary. Even includes the claim “Arab Muslims trace their lineage back to Abraham (known as Ibrahim) through his son Ishmael.”
(Score: 1) by Type44Q on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:25PM (1 child)
That's a Jewish practice, not Christian.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:45PM
Ah, my bad. I tried searching, but Luke 2:21 didn't help. So I checked Matthew 5 and found something along those lines in verses 17–20 MSG. Jesus is addressing “those who were apprenticed to him” after climbing a hillside to find somewhere quiet away from the crowds his ministry was drawing:
My lack of familiarity with the source material must be leading me astray. Where may I find the part that says that Christians have been deluded about male circumcision and its necessity as part of Yahweh's covenant with Abraham for about the past century or two?
(Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:03AM
My understanding is that it was another case of the all loving Father God playing favourites between two brothers, again. The Jews descended from the favoured brother and the Arabs from the unfavoured brother.
Got to love Gods morals.
(Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:52PM
That's unsurprising. Anyone who is gullible enough to subscribe to such demonstrably false belief systems will likely believe all manner of moronic bullshit.
Especially in the U.S., as Peter Medawar observed [anvari.org]:
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @02:25PM
The brown people/brown god reference is what makes it easy to justify the misery inflicted upon said brown people squatting on our oil.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:16PM (7 children)
Jehovah and Yahweh are different transliterations of the same Hebrew word. Long before vowel markings were added to Hebrew script, vowels were pronounced, but not written. Vowel markings to visually indicate vowels are a recent development. It is unclear, and no tape recording exists, of how it was originally pronounced. (Should YHWH be pronounced with three syllables or two? Should the vowels be borrowed from Elohim or Adonai? Should the W be pronounced with more of a W sound or more of a V sound?)
Muslims assert that Allah is the same God. But apparently differ about it being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which is what Jews and Christians recognize. (Example: Genesis 50:24 [biblegateway.com])
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(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:09PM (5 children)
I don't subscribe to any of those demonstrably false belief systems. However, IIUC Muslims claim to worship the god of Abraham [wikipedia.org]. In my book, that means they're all the same.
You can hem and haw about it all you want, but all the morons (and if you're a believer, I include you in that too) who call themselves Muslim, Christian or Jew worship the same imaginary, invisible sky-daddy.
In my mind, they're all full of shit. And full of the same shit too. And the fact that these guys (well, not the Jews, they're forbidden from proselytizing or, except in rare cases, converting others, but they have the same arrogant, self-absorbed prejudices too) have spent centuries fighting, killing and trying to convince others that their way is the right way, the only way, just shows how deluded and ridiculous they are.
So, any way you slice it, These guys come from a tradition of murder, intolerance and the arrogant belief that their trained-in prejudices are the laws of nature, whether they're Muslim, Christian or Jew. So go ahead and split rhetorical hairs, maybe you can go out and torture and kill some non-believers if you get bored.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:07AM (4 children)
Muslims also worship Jesus, considering him the second greatest prophet.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:14PM (3 children)
For certain values of "worship".
For informational purposes: Muslims deny that Jesus is God, and that Jesus ever died, thus denying Jesus' resurrection. Consequently Christians cannot accept the faith of Islam. The Bible declares that Jesus is the one and only way to God, and there is no other way. So thus there is an incompatibility between Christianity and all other religions. Except for 'forms' of Christianity that deny the Bible. Manifestation is generally persecution vs compromise, health and wealth, etc.
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(Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:49PM (2 children)
At one point there was various Christian sects that didn't believe Christ was God either, just that they mostly got wiped out in the first millennium.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:27PM (1 child)
Interesting. I hadn't heard of that.
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(Score: 2) by dry on Thursday September 28 2017, @02:29AM
The Ebionites come to mind, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionism [wikipedia.org] there were also various sects that, while believing Christ was divine, didn't believe in the trinity or that Christ was always a God. Arianism was a big one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism [wikipedia.org] and some who believed Christ was adopted by God, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism [wikipedia.org] And of course, today there are the various Unitarian sects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism [wikipedia.org] that believe that
For completeness, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam [wikipedia.org] which is an interesting read.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:37PM
Come now, everyone knows the true pronunciation is Yahoo-Wahoo
(Score: 2) by davester666 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:04PM (3 children)
Sorry, but no. All the pictures I've see of God (paintings/illustrations) are an old white guy, definitely no brown parts.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @03:22AM (2 children)
All the pictures I've see of God (paintings/illustrations) are an old white guy
You've lead such a sheltered life. [google.com]
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(Score: 2) by davester666 on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:59AM (1 child)
Those are images of Jesus, not God...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:43PM
There was a time when heretics [google.com] were put to the fire.
Better watch your back; there might still be some such zealots about.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(who was sent to catechism class but didn't slip his brain into Sponge Mode upon arriving; now a radical Anti-Theist).
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:42PM
And according to one of the Zoroastrians I work with, all three stole their best stories from his church.
Not that he really cares, he did make the point that it all seems a bit silly. He only goes to the temple to keep his Mum happy.