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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the to-boldy-go? dept.

CBS premiered its new Star Trek series "Discovery" on Sunday. The first episode was made available on OTA (over-the-air) CBS stations — but it and all subsequent episodes are available strictly on CBS's All Access streaming service. Cost is $6/month with ads, $10/month ad-free. (NOTE: The second episode was made available immediately after episode 1 aired. Episodes 3-7 will be released weekly, there will be a break, and then the remaining episodes will again be released weekly early in 2018.)

Ars Technica has a review that mostly praised the new show. (There were at least two technical inaccuracies in the review concerning the first episode.)

For those who may not yet have seen it, I kindly ask folks who comment on this story to make liberal use of the <spoiler>don't show this unless they click here</spoiler> tags.

What did you think? Was it entertaining? Did it hold closely [enough] to existing Star Trek canon? Was any 'ideology' change you saw sufficiently warranted?


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:44PM (13 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:44PM (#573295) Journal

    In the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-ations [wikia.com], some DS9 members go back in time to the TOS episode The Trouble with Tribbles [wikia.com].

    Noticing the difference in appearance between TNG / DS9 Klingons such as Worf, and TOS Klingons, Worf is asked about this. His reply [chakoteya.net] is . . .

    ODO: Who ordered raktajino?
    WAITRESS: The Klingons.
    ODO: Klingons?
    WAITRESS: Over there, and over there.
    BASHIR: Those are Klingons?
    WAITRESS: All right. You boys have had enough.
    ODO: Mister Worf?
    WORF: They are Klingons, and it is a long story.
    O'BRIEN: What happened? Some kind genetic engineering?
    BASHIR: A viral mutation?
    (A line that was used eventually to create an entire episode of Enterprise.)
    WORF: We do not discuss it with outsiders.

    So will ST:Discovery come up with some lame non explanation of the new appearance of these pre-TOS Klingons?

    And they wonder why old Trek fans, who grew up with decades of Trek, multiple spinoffs, a complex Trek universe; they wonder why we are not so interested in rebooting and rewriting the entire Trek universe. Hey, I enjoyed the show over my lifetime. I do not have the time nor emotional energy to learn a whole new Trek universe. Especially if it will introduce gratuitous inconsistencies. (not that there aren't enough inconsistencies in the existing Trek universe)

    Is Hollywood utterly unable to do anything original?

    Can CBS not start a new series, a new idea, and stick with it, build it into something great? Oh, no. It's all about money. Hey, destroy the meaning of the TOS episodes with a prequel if you like. But I don't have to watch.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:49PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:49PM (#573298)

    Is Hollywood utterly unable to do anything original?

    The leftism that we see running rampant throughout California is incompatible with originality. Leftism is all about following a predefined narrative. Originality is shunned, because it may introduce ideas that deviate from the narrative.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:41PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:41PM (#573369)

      Wrong.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:47PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:47PM (#573376)

        EXCELLENT reply, well stated, and you have completely changed my mind and won yourself a new compatriot. Congratulations!

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:47PM (#573490)

          Glad to hear it! I will continue to point out your invalid views of reality in the hope that you take all such observation to heart and change your mind like you did today. I can rest easy knowing that one heart has been saved for the future!

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:44PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:44PM (#573374) Journal

      Originality is shunned, because it may introduce ideas that deviate from the narrative.

      Originality is shunned because it involves risk. A bold new idea involves taking risk on something untried. Unproven. Re-hashing 50 year old movies, tv shows, or comic books is "safe".

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      • (Score: 1) by Paradise Pete on Wednesday September 27 2017, @11:39AM

        by Paradise Pete (1806) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @11:39AM (#573743)

        There are only a handful of story structures that work, and so they are the framework for almost all movies and books. The details are just draped upon it. An *extremely* common structure is this:

        • The protaganist (hero) has a problem. It seems simple and straightforward.
        • Hero tries a simple solution and it fails, revealing more about the problem and that it's more complicated than it appeared.
        • Hero tries a more complicated solution and it again fails, and we learn that the problem is much, much more serious.
        • Hero tries a desperate solution that is clearly failing and disaster is imminent, when at the last moment the day is saved by extraordinary and valiant effort.
        • Even though it's now clearly over, somebody still has to say it. This is the "He's dead, Jim" moment.

        It's is always three attempts. Two is unsatisfying, four is tedious. Once you start to watch for this structure you can't not see it.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:02PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:02PM (#573388)

      leftism... is incompatible with originality. Leftism is all about following a predefined narrative. Originality is shunned...

      Hey, look up the definition of "conservative".

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:12PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:12PM (#573402)

        There aren't conservatives or liberals any more. Just regressives and authoritarians, or regressive-authoritarians, masquerading as the former two.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:12PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:12PM (#573507)

          Thanks for that crappy equivocation that tries to take hope away from everyone. Your comment is perhaps accurate regarding the politicos, but for the country as a whole it is ridiculously childish.

          • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:23AM

            by fyngyrz (6567) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:23AM (#573621) Journal

            Your comment is perhaps accurate regarding the politicos, but for the country as a whole it is ridiculously childish optimistic.

            FTFY

  • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:22PM (1 child)

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:22PM (#573413) Journal

    Ugh. That episode and plot point bothered me so much. It felt cheap.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:29AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @01:29AM (#573601)

      I thought it was funny, and I'm pretty sure the whole episode was tongue-in-cheek.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:24PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:24PM (#573518) Homepage Journal

    That was already explained in ST:ENT (s04e15-16). It was an attempt at genetically engineering Super Klingons via viral means. It didn't work out so well and several planets worth of Klingons ended up looking like odd humans.

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