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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday September 26 2017, @05:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the to-boldy-go? dept.

CBS premiered its new Star Trek series "Discovery" on Sunday. The first episode was made available on OTA (over-the-air) CBS stations — but it and all subsequent episodes are available strictly on CBS's All Access streaming service. Cost is $6/month with ads, $10/month ad-free. (NOTE: The second episode was made available immediately after episode 1 aired. Episodes 3-7 will be released weekly, there will be a break, and then the remaining episodes will again be released weekly early in 2018.)

Ars Technica has a review that mostly praised the new show. (There were at least two technical inaccuracies in the review concerning the first episode.)

For those who may not yet have seen it, I kindly ask folks who comment on this story to make liberal use of the <spoiler>don't show this unless they click here</spoiler> tags.

What did you think? Was it entertaining? Did it hold closely [enough] to existing Star Trek canon? Was any 'ideology' change you saw sufficiently warranted?


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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:29PM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @06:29PM (#573355)

    Whoever is wrongly modding numerous perfectly good comments here as "Flamebait" should be banned from moderating.

    The parent comment is clearly not "Flamebait".

    It's good to see dissenting opinions about stuff. I don't want to read bland reviews that only point out the positive, and intentionally ignore the negative aspects.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:09PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:09PM (#573399)

    Yeah, cause using "progressive" and "narrative" a million times over is totally balanced, not at all political for edge lord. I wasn't the downmodder but reading that screed it is not the worst mod I've seen.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:13PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:13PM (#573405)

      Political stories get political responses. I doubt OP would have to use "progressive" so many times if the writers weren't clearly tripping over themselves to virtue signal exactly what he's criticizing.

      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:36PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:36PM (#573431)

        Oh yes, new Star Trek series is totally a political story! Since VLM didn't even watch it his rant is just that, a rant. I didn't realize that trying to expose the general public to the concept of diversity was such a sin. Only white male heroes from now on! Minorities will be the grunts!

        TOS was incredibly ground breaking and pro-diversity. A black WOMAN with a decent role?? ZOMG!!! Guess you're too buried under propaganda and too sensitived to over-zealous "diversity" trends that threaten "yer jerbs" to comprehend that Trek has always been a progressive and hopeful universe. I think the main problem that you conservative types have is that you have blown the diversity trend completely out of proportion while sticking your collective heads up yer butts about the actual problems with bigotry.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:46PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:46PM (#573441)

          I think you'll find nobody is arguing against the concept of "diversity", but rather that entertainment should be less about preaching and more about entertaining. Shows like this are usually terrible, not because of their espousal of left-wing political ideals, but their elevation of them over things like good storytelling and a plot that doesn't talk down to the audience.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:59PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:59PM (#573453)

            The political right embraces real diversity. Businesses and commerce are good examples of this. Businesses don't give a damn what your physical attributes are, as long as you're capable of getting the job done. What emerges is a strong, cohesive group of very different people coming together for the greater good.

            The political left embraces forced, artificial diversity. They demand diversity to be injected in all situations, even when doing this is nonsensical or even harmful. They care more about meeting vague quotas than they do about ensuring jobs are done by the most skilled individual available.

            It's the political left that's constantly categorizing people by their race, gender, sexual preference, and other attributes, promoting division and strife between these divisions they've created. The political right, on the other hand, is about bringing people together, rather than dividing them.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:24PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:24PM (#573517)

              Businesses don't give a damn what your physical attributes are, as long as you're capable of getting the job done. What emerges is a strong, cohesive group of very different people coming together for the greater good.

              You are right, just as long as you don't tell that group of strong, cohesive very different people to make a cake for a same-sex wedding.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:27PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:27PM (#573519)

              Wow, I almost want to copy this so I can show people and help them understand just how delusional many conservatives are. You live in a bubble apparently, one that is disconnected from the average reality across the US. The historical record is quite clear, and the GOP has demonstrated their priorities for over 40 years! It is too big of an argument, the best I can do hear is point out that you're delusional. As usual there is some bit of truth to the delusion, anecdotes that can make you believe it is true, but when you view the statistics of reality it is just wrong.

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:37PM (#573481)

            Well TOS was all about liberal ideals, but I guess you glossed over those bits because "cool space TV!"

            Talking down to the audience only occurs when the audience thinks women should stick to their traditional roles as home makers and minorities should be doing the grunt work instead of something as important as president.

            I think you'll find a TON of people arguing against the concept of diversity and every attempt to embrace it. Since it is observable on a near daily basis on this very same site you must be willfully ignorant or a total sucker. "I have a good friend who is a minority!" lolol

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:49PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:49PM (#573442)

          And somehow getting down on one knee to disrespect the national anthem will fix these problems?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @09:31PM (#573521)

            Nice try, troll harder next time.

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday September 26 2017, @11:16PM

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @11:16PM (#573558) Homepage Journal

            Believe me, it's very disrespectful and very disloyal! Players not doing their jobs. And it's costing the owners a lot of money. Big league. NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country. Boycott NFL & NBA! 🇺🇸

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:55PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @08:55PM (#573496)

          Haha, so you disagree with how VLM was modded down but my "perfectly valid opinion" gets downmodded due to its "attacking" nature. Yup, not hypocrites at all! Mind you I'm not bothered when my attacks on stupidity are modded troll/flamebait, its generally an accurate modding just as some find it insightful. I could be more polite to avoid the troll/flamebait mods but I'd probably still get downmodded. Hypocrites, but nothing new there!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @02:37PM (#573816)

          Oh yes, new Star Trek series is totally a political story! Since VLM...

          Wait... VLM... Vulcan Lives Matter?

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Nerdfest on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:24PM (3 children)

    by Nerdfest (80) on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:24PM (#573417)

    I would guess this is what did it:

    rather watch the steroid monkey football players continue to take a shit on the American flag

    As I've said before, when you're going for "thinly veiled racism", a little more work is expected.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:33PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:33PM (#573427)

      I donno, getting downmodded for making fun of sportsball on SN seems an unlikely achievement. I wonder if I could accomplish it for real, how would I do that? Thats sounding more interesting than Star Trek: D

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:39PM (#573437)

        Start with a lobotomy :P

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:10AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 27 2017, @08:10AM (#573694) Journal

      I don't get it what was constituted as a flamebait: was it the "watching steroid monkey football players" or "watching them taking a shit on the American flag"?

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:44PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 26 2017, @07:44PM (#573440)

    It's good to see dissenting opinions about stuff.

    Assuming the best about people, I myself would never travel over to a Trek subreddit or Trek discussion board and dump on Trek like that; I know my post would be trolling in that specific location. Here, specifically on SN, I don't think worship of all things Trek is a shared group value so I don't see my post as trolling even if it would be trolling if posted on a Trek specific site. Its possible someone thinks all SN is a safe space for Trek. Clearly, personally I disagree, although I could see their point of view, but whatevs. I mean, I would never make fun of EMACS on SN, because we all agree on that (LOL)

    I bet I got the mod hit because I like grinding the non-establishment anti-progressive axe, a little bit. Fun as that is, subtracting that fun frosting from the cake, my arguments are still very strong.

    Or perhaps someone with thin skin really likes the show. I can sympathize with bad taste. Back when Andromeda was new (90s?) I used to watch it as a guilty pleasure. That was one stupid show, but it was strangely enjoyable. STD might be a shit show, but someone who really likes lens flare as a guilty pleasure might be into it solely for that. I've been on the internet awhile, I've seen stranger stuff. Have to be self aware though, if you like really weird stuff, people gonna make fun of it, so deal with it. I could see some dude with an intense crush on one of the actors not being too happy about people making fun of STD, but dude, get used to it.