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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 27 2017, @10:15AM   Printer-friendly
from the No-Way! dept.

What was it that one learned through a great books curriculum? Certainly not "conservatism" in any contemporary American sense of the term. We were not taught to become American patriots, or religious pietists, or to worship what Rudyard Kipling called "the Gods of the Market Place." We were not instructed in the evils of Marxism, or the glories of capitalism, or even the superiority of Western civilization.

As I think about it, I'm not sure we were taught anything at all. What we did was read books that raised serious questions about the human condition, and which invited us to attempt to ask serious questions of our own. Education, in this sense, wasn't a "teaching" with any fixed lesson. It was an exercise in interrogation.

To listen and understand; to question and disagree; to treat no proposition as sacred and no objection as impious; to be willing to entertain unpopular ideas and cultivate the habits of an open mind — this is what I was encouraged to do by my teachers at the University of Chicago.

It's what used to be called a liberal education.

The University of Chicago showed us something else: that every great idea is really just a spectacular disagreement with some other great idea.

Bret Stephens's speech warrants a full read. It makes valuable points that we all need to hear, even on SN.


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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 27 2017, @07:05PM (9 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday September 27 2017, @07:05PM (#573958) Journal

    Do we get spiffy uniforms and an oddly stiff-looking march too, you fucking lunatic?

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  • (Score: 1, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 27 2017, @07:52PM (7 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 27 2017, @07:52PM (#573989) Homepage Journal

    If you lot weren't violent authoritarians already, complete with not just a racial but also a gender demographic you despise, you might. Glass houses, Az. Glass houses.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @09:57PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 27 2017, @09:57PM (#574057)

      What people hate are the caricatures created by the propaganda machines. Idiots like you fall for it hook line and sinker. There are plenty of sane conservatives that are not so affected by all the propaganda, and plenty of liberals who realize that not all conservatives are racist. You always seem to miss the target in favor of the cooked noodles in your skull.

    • (Score: 3, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 28 2017, @04:21AM (4 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 28 2017, @04:21AM (#574206) Journal

      Come now, Uzzard, you know me well enough by now to know I don't fit into the standard knee-jerking leftist narrative you wish I did :) And that's what makes me such a thorn in your scruffy carcass-molesting side. Don't you have some dead wildebeest's ass to be neck-deep in somewhere?

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      • (Score: 1, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @12:25AM (3 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday September 29 2017, @12:25AM (#574596) Homepage Journal

        You do closely enough for most generalizations. You may not be actively campaigning for the SJW douchebags on every seed of hate they try to spread but you're not fighting them either; and you are adopting their exact tactics and demonizing anyone who disagrees with you as hard as you can. You disagree on minutiae not behavior.

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 29 2017, @02:29AM (2 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 29 2017, @02:29AM (#574624) Journal

          You desperately wish it were so, but like my mother says, wish in one hand, piss in the other, see which gets full first. And you don't actually see the "fighting them" I'm doing elsewhere, Uzzard, so you might wanna shut your beak before jumping to that conclusion :) Besides which, if you don't wanna get demonized, try adopting positions that aren't almost literally demonic.

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          • (Score: 1, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @10:14AM (1 child)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday September 29 2017, @10:14AM (#574736) Homepage Journal

            It's really interesting watching the mental gymnastics play out so that you can keep from admitting how terrible of a person you actually are.

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            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 29 2017, @06:12PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 29 2017, @06:12PM (#574967) Journal

              Have you not learned your lesson yet? Accusing someone else of the same things you're guilty of pre-emptively does not remove your guilt, and anyone who's been following our respective post histories knows which one of us is the awful excuse for a human being. You've already become a by-word on these forums, and you're not even self-aware enough to see this.

              And now it turns out all those times I told you to stick to code since that's all your good at might actually have been an overestimation of you. If you ever coded an actual working lameness filter it would auto-ban you.

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  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 28 2017, @01:10AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 28 2017, @01:10AM (#574134)

    Do we get spiffy uniforms and an oddly stiff-looking march too, you fucking lunatic?

    I don't know... Maybe... Your name looks kinda Japanese, but you can probably pass for North Korean and they have exactly what you are looking for.