posted by
martyb
on Thursday September 28 2017, @06:29AM
from the uphill,-both-ways? dept.
An Anonymous Coward writes:
The latest version of Apple's macOS operating system, macOS High Sierra, has been released. If you have upgraded your system already, how did the upgrade go? Did you encounter any problems? If you have not yet updated, why have you chosen not to?
I only update my Mac's OS when they stop releasing security updates for the one I'm using.
If it wasn't for that, I'd still be on Snow Leopard. Because the UI just keeps getting ass-ier and there haven't been any new OS features that interest me in the least.
I don't really give a crap about the new file system, I don't use Photos or Safari, I don't use h265 video because I'd rather deal with h264's larger files than h265's way higher CPU requirements, my GPU doesn't support the Metal API, I don't use Siri (hell, my machine doesn't even have a microphone), I wish I could remove the emoji I've already GOT and screw adding more.
And my really big concern: I dual-boot 10.6 Snow Leopard because I have old software I need for a few things that won't work under 10.7 or later. And my Mac is all-SSD. I haven't been able to find a straight answer on whether the update will force ALL SSD partitions to the new filesystem - which would break my Snow Leopard install.
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(Score: 2) by damnbunni on Thursday September 28 2017, @11:53AM
After poking around some more, I did find an answer. The update only changes the file system on the boot partitions, other partitions on the drive are unchanged. The reason appears to be 'because that would break Boot Camp'.
Because I never got it to work properly in VirtualBox, and VMWare and Parallels refuse to allow Snow Leopard to run because only the server version is licensed for VM client use.
VMWare and Parallels refuse to allow Snow Leopard to run because only the server version is licensed for VM client use.
FYI: I run the server version of Snow Leopard in a VMWARE VM on a 12/24 core 2009 mac pro otherwise running 10.12.6. It's a pretty good solution – it's great to have both OSs up and running and talking to one another through the filesystem and network – except for one thing - the sound doesn't work, which can be a real problem. This is officially acknowledged by VMWARE in the form of a "sound is unsupported" remark for 10.6.8 server installs.
You can't even stick a USB sound device on it to get around it. Just doesn't work. VMWARE has been unresponsive on the matter, which is not a huge surprise, although it certainly is disappointing to see them fail to support such basic system capabilities.
If the sound issues don't put you off, you can legally and easily buy the server version from Apple for about $20 or so. Just call 'em, explain that you need to run 10.6.8 in a VM because [reasons], and they'll ship you a new-in-the-box copy out of a warehouse somewhere. They were very helpful to me just a few months ago when I set this up, and VMWARE did indeed recognize the server install properly and sets the up the VM without complaint.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by damnbunni on Thursday September 28 2017, @11:08AM (5 children)
I only update my Mac's OS when they stop releasing security updates for the one I'm using.
If it wasn't for that, I'd still be on Snow Leopard. Because the UI just keeps getting ass-ier and there haven't been any new OS features that interest me in the least.
I don't really give a crap about the new file system, I don't use Photos or Safari, I don't use h265 video because I'd rather deal with h264's larger files than h265's way higher CPU requirements, my GPU doesn't support the Metal API, I don't use Siri (hell, my machine doesn't even have a microphone), I wish I could remove the emoji I've already GOT and screw adding more.
And my really big concern: I dual-boot 10.6 Snow Leopard because I have old software I need for a few things that won't work under 10.7 or later. And my Mac is all-SSD. I haven't been able to find a straight answer on whether the update will force ALL SSD partitions to the new filesystem - which would break my Snow Leopard install.
(Score: 2) by damnbunni on Thursday September 28 2017, @11:53AM
After poking around some more, I did find an answer. The update only changes the file system on the boot partitions, other partitions on the drive are unchanged. The reason appears to be 'because that would break Boot Camp'.
(Score: 2) by Kilo110 on Thursday September 28 2017, @12:16PM (3 children)
Ah Snow Leopard, my favorite Mac OS. Many would agree with you that it was the high point for Macs before Apple soiled it with iOS crap.
Also why not emulate Snow Leopard if you need it? Not an ideal situation but it'd work regardless of the underlying FS.
(Score: 3, Informative) by damnbunni on Thursday September 28 2017, @02:21PM (2 children)
Because I never got it to work properly in VirtualBox, and VMWare and Parallels refuse to allow Snow Leopard to run because only the server version is licensed for VM client use.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 28 2017, @03:33PM
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/138887-setting-up-apple-mac-os-x-10-12-on-esxi-6-0-host-as-a-vm [spiceworks.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by fyngyrz on Thursday September 28 2017, @06:50PM
FYI: I run the server version of Snow Leopard in a VMWARE VM on a 12/24 core 2009 mac pro otherwise running 10.12.6. It's a pretty good solution – it's great to have both OSs up and running and talking to one another through the filesystem and network – except for one thing - the sound doesn't work, which can be a real problem. This is officially acknowledged by VMWARE in the form of a "sound is unsupported" remark for 10.6.8 server installs.
You can't even stick a USB sound device on it to get around it. Just doesn't work. VMWARE has been unresponsive on the matter, which is not a huge surprise, although it certainly is disappointing to see them fail to support such basic system capabilities.
If the sound issues don't put you off, you can legally and easily buy the server version from Apple for about $20 or so. Just call 'em, explain that you need to run 10.6.8 in a VM because [reasons], and they'll ship you a new-in-the-box copy out of a warehouse somewhere. They were very helpful to me just a few months ago when I set this up, and VMWARE did indeed recognize the server install properly and sets the up the VM without complaint.