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DirecTV is allowing at least some customers to cancel subscriptions to its Sunday Ticket package of NFL games and obtain refunds, if they cite players' national anthem protests as the reason for discontinuing service, customer service representatives said Tuesday.
Under Sunday Ticket's regular policy, refunds are not to be given once the season is underway. But the representatives said they are making exceptions this season -- which began in September -- because of the controversy over the protests, in which players kneel or link arms during the national anthem.
Spokesmen for DirecTV-parent AT&T Inc. (T) and the National Football League declined to comment.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @03:15PM (63 children)
After all the bitching about PC bullcrap can we finally admit that conservatives are just as bad? Instead of gender and race it is patriotism and religion.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @03:20PM (35 children)
You really don't see the difference between demanding the government or a company censor speech you dislike and simply refusing to give that company your business, do you? That's just sad.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @03:53PM (27 children)
They ALREADY gave that company their business. They signed a contract that stated they would not get a refund after the season started. If you weren't an illiterate dipshit republitard you would understand that. The proper course of action would be to not sign up NEXT year or cancel their service entirely. But noooooo, these people had to emulate their whiny little bitch "elected" leader and demand a refund they were very much not entitled to. They did EXACTLY what they accuse the liberals of doing and expect everyone to think it's acceptable when they do it because MAGA.
Trumpanzies are the cancer that killed America. Republitards are the carcinogen that caused that cancer.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @04:02PM (14 children)
You're not terribly bright, are you? There's an old phrase that goes "the customer is always right". Anyone who ignores it better have a monopoly on a need rather than a desire, contract or no contract.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @04:06PM (3 children)
nope it's "buyer beware" try again buzzhead
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @04:09PM (2 children)
Except it's obviously not if they're giving out refunds, is it?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @04:54PM
Can't help it if they're not following the rules
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30 2017, @01:44AM
What's obvious is that NFL Sunday ticket is a loss leader for DirecTV, hence the refunds.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @04:38PM (2 children)
Says the 2 lumen red LED.
Emphasis added by me. That stopped applying to businesses when oligopoly became the norm and competition was something to be driven off by the politicians the businesses paid for.
Oligopoly is just as good as monopoly. Oh, wait, they have that. Also, to businesses, there's not much difference between a need and a desire. In their eyes the two are identical.
So contract law means nothing to you? At least you warn people up front that you're dishonest and they should never sign a contract with you because you'll just disregard it if you ever feel like it. Thanks for that.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @05:00PM (1 child)
Obviously not since it just happened.
A contract is an agreement between two parties. If both parties desire it to change, it changes. I know it butthurts you but you're just going to have to learn to live with that, it happens a lot in life.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @07:39PM
If both parties desire it to change, it changes.
Pray they don't change it further... plus ça change...
Being that the NFL plays a major role in American propaganda, I can understand why they might want to treat these players worse than the ones who drive drunk/high, shoot at people, beat their wives/girlfriends... Maybe the NFL should just use prisoners. Most of the players got a foot in jail (the other one in the grave) already anyway. I watch when they steal the ball right out of a guy's hands. Looks exactly like a purse snatching. I can't wait until they allow the players to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights during the game. And it'll make it more authentic if they wore hoodies instead of those helmets that make them look like Gay Speed Racer in spandex.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @04:39PM (4 children)
Speaking of dimness, there's another old phrase that's appropriate: "you can't fix stupid". If you had any experience on the other side of the counter, you would know full well that the customer is far from always right. All too often, the customer is a liar, a cheat, a complete idiot or simply has unrealistic expectations. If you stick to the ass-kissing "customer is always right" aphorism, you'll end up with a business that's in the toilet.
"Boo-hoo, my feelings are hurt because I don't like the fact that some people are daring to draw attention to power-abusing scumbags" is not a valid reason to break a contract with your local cable monopoly.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @05:05PM (3 children)
Thank you for providing a fine example of caring more about the virtue signaling of a protest than its message being well conveyed. Congratulations on being part of the reason nothing you say ever gets listened to outside of people who already agree with you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @05:41PM (2 children)
Aside from the grammatically strange structure, your school yard "well no one likes you!" mentality says a lot about where you're coming from.
(Score: 3, Disagree) by Phoenix666 on Friday September 29 2017, @07:20PM (1 child)
You are implicitly conflating the people upset with the NFL protests over the anthem with an endorsement of police brutality, because it's convenient for your frame of those NFL fans as "bad guys." I don't think that being upset with the players for not standing during the national anthem does link to an endorsement of cops murdering minorities. There may be some who fall into the intersection of those two sets of people, but not necessarily all or even most.
See, white supremacists cheer when cops murder blacks and Latinos. That's vile.
Other people see what the players and NFL owners doing as flipping the bird to the fans who paid money to watch them play football, not get a political lesson. Furthermore, it has been long practice that even if you don't want to place your hand over your heart, that you should at least stand out of respect. So kneeling or staying seated is a certain clear sign of disrespect. I have never put my hand over my heart during the anthem nor said the pledge of allegiance as an adult because the country I would respect and pledge allegiance to died when I was young. I always do stand, though, because I want to show respect for those who don't feel that way (yet?).
Now, I don't personally care if the NFL players are disrespecting the country or not. It's their right. But they should not think they get to express that consequence free. Nobody's going to put them in jail for it, nor should they, but neither should the fans be obligated to endorse what they're saying by continuing to give them money. Nor is the President obligated to say nothing when he disagrees with what the players are doing. He too has the right to free speech.
The only thing that irks me about what the NFL is doing is that they think they have the right to engage in political statements on the job and face no consequences, when anybody else would be fired for doing the same. Go ahead, walk into your next scoping meeting with a client and treat them to your theories on why Trump is the greatest thing ever and see how long it takes before your ass is fired.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday September 30 2017, @07:53AM
Were those "other people" deprived from the "watching football" part?
Is there in any contract those "other people" signed anything to say "they'll watch football and nothing but football"?
Are the players allowed to "express" nothing but football, anything else is banned for them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by http on Friday September 29 2017, @10:42PM
Wait, I thought it was "a free market is only possible when contracts are voluntary". So confused now, did the NFL rep hold a knife to their throats as they signed up? Or email threats against family members?
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday September 30 2017, @01:39AM
As much as I like the idea of chivalry, jousting and duels as a way to resolve issues of honour, there's no going back to it.
The point: "the customer" was replaced with "the consumer", about the same time the"hacker" meaning was replaced with the "cracker" one. Is there a way to go back to the situation before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by unauthorized on Friday September 29 2017, @04:23PM (5 children)
Fucking hell this is uncharitable bullshit.
So they complained to the company and the company agreed to alter the contract. What exactly is the problem there? Seems like consumer demand won the day here, and that's a good thing. It's not "whining" to go up to a clerk and say "hey, this box of serial had political symbolism in it and that's not cool with me, I'd like a refund for it", and then getting a refund because the clerk or manager decided that it's reasonable to expect that the manufacturer wouldn't sneakily insert political messages in your fucking breakfast.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Friday September 29 2017, @05:14PM (4 children)
Because it's a double-standard, that's why.
Honestly, I'm not bothered that a bunch of conservative morons convinced their cableco, somehow, to give them a refund even though the contract they willingly signed didn't allow for it at this date. The company has every right to follow the contract to the letter and not give a refund, but it also has every right to set aside the contract and let them out of it with no penalty (probably so they could score points for good customer service etc.).
What irks me is that, if the tables were turned and this was a controversy over some issue that liberals were mad about, and they demanded a refund even though they had gone over the can't-back-out date, the stupid conservatives would all be citing contract terms and calling them "snowflakes" and telling them their concerns were stupid, and that the company shouldn't set aside the contract for these "losers", and they'll criticize the company for letting them out of the contract.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @05:30PM (2 children)
Amazingly my original post was equivocating the two groups, but conservatives still couldn't handle it. I think liberals just won the "who is a bigger snowflake" contest :D
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @07:07PM (1 child)
No, your argument is just patently stupid.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @07:16PM
Nah, I own the patent on stupidity and licensed it to the GOP. I have since retired to my private island. #jealousy
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tfried on Saturday September 30 2017, @05:51AM
I think their calculation is actually pretty simple: The point of the whiners isn't that they really want to cancel their subscription, the point of the whiners is to try to put pressure on the NFL to censor the players. In offering the refund they simply turn that around: Why, if it's so important to you, why don't you just go away? Some whiners will do just that, but most others really aren't subscribed in the first place, while those that are will come to realize that they actually subscribed for the football, not for the anthem (besides, that kneeing is not an entirely novel phenomenon, anyway).
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Friday September 29 2017, @05:14PM (3 children)
No, they didn't sign anything. They might have checked a box on a web form. But DirecTV knows something you don't. Any agreement can be rewritten to more accurately reflect reality as "You mist continue paying for Sunday Ticket for the whole season OR until you discontinue DirecTV service." DirecTV is not willing to lose a customer over the NFL being stupid.
NFL fans are not soy faced nancy boys and large numbers are currently in a highly emotionally charged state, DirecTV was smart enough to see what was going on and change policy quickly enough to be heroes to those customers. When this is over their customer preference metrics are going to be way up. They won.
It is still amazing and hilarious how hard it seem to be for most people to see how this must end. The NFL will now try to reverse course after seeing the damage, ESPN and the sports media won't stand for it and the NFL will die off to perhaps half the current audience and slowly bleed out because those numbers won't support the spectacle, won't sustain the bloated salaries and there won't be the political support for government subsidized stadiums.
The League and owners are the responsible parties so it is a fair outcome. A player can do nothing while in uniform that isn't approved without being subject to fines or other punishment. They routinely punish players, deny permission for small displays like the Cowboys being denied permission to put a sticker on their helmet. The owners / league support this action. So the counter protests should ignore the players (who have fans) and go after the league who is almost universally despised already.
Football was supposed to be non political entertainment, an escape from the problems of the real world. But SJWs infect everything and had already corrupted football. Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he trolled them into suicide. But it wasn't just the NFL he was trolling, look at the media and Democrat (BIRM) reaction. They are all lining up to find a microphone to denounce the flag. This is nothing less than the Left surrendering the flag to Trump. Look at the piece in The Root headlined "Patriotism is White Privilege" for a look at what is next. SJWs Always Double Down. Always.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @05:46PM (2 children)
So then why inject the national anthem? That just offends people who don't like US imperialism. There are plenty of patriots who don't agree with the modern propaganda, and why is it a part of sports anyway? Oh right, PROPAGANDA! BRAINWASHING!
Fools like you are the problem, brainwashed so easily and making it near impossible for conscious people to make political change. We have hordes of morons blindly repeating establishment propaganda. We need some anti-biotics that can cure stupidity.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Friday September 29 2017, @06:35PM (1 child)
See? I tell you what is going to happen and it happens almost instantly.
I can't stop laughing. I didn't believe Trump when he promised we would tire of winning. I'm still not tired yet but I can now imagine that future. A future where victory over Evil is so total that we can lay down our arms and enjoy the victory for a moment. Evil never sleeps so that moment won't last, but it will be a wonderful moment. Something to strive for.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @07:24PM
You live in a weirdly delusional reality, or you're just a Russian troll. It is impossible to tell through an internet forum, but you do you I guess.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @10:41PM
illiterate dipshit republitard... trumpanzies
You know, people who talk like that sound dumb as shit. Am I far off the mark? Can you string a coherent sentence together without resorting to childish make believe words?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30 2017, @10:36AM
That post was so bad it gave me cancer.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anal Pumpernickel on Friday September 29 2017, @06:25PM (4 children)
You don't need to demand government censorship in order to be a snowflake. Many on 'The Left' do not demand government censorship and yet they are still snowflakes if they are oversensitive little whiners. Getting offended because someone was 'insufficiently patriotic' makes you a hypersensitive idiot as well. Their little protest hurt literally no one. I'm not sure why people are crying about it, other than them worshiping songs and flags like mindless idiots.
You don't even have to agree with what the protestors are saying in order to realize that all the people whining about this are weak-minded and pathetic.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 30 2017, @03:43AM (3 children)
Way to convince them to support your argument! Call em cocksuckers next, that should really make them listen!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Saturday September 30 2017, @11:39PM (2 children)
I don't care one bit about the efficacy of their protests. I am only saying that people offended by the mere fact that they decided to kneel down during the anthem are, in fact, hypersensitive snowflakes. I don't care about their feelings anymore than I care about the feelings of some moron complaining about cultural appropriation.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 01 2017, @03:23PM (1 child)
You're entitled to think what you like. At least until the SJWs get into power.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Wednesday October 04 2017, @01:09AM
I don't see what that has to do with oversensitive little snowflakes being offended by the microaggression of people kneeling during the national anthem. SJWs are snowflakes and so are these people. Multiple different groups of people can be snowflakes.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Friday September 29 2017, @06:33PM (1 child)
I see the difference. What I would remind the people complaining about the snowflakes is, they're complaining about people voting with their wallets. I think they're being a bit oversensitive asking for refunds, but then again, I think the people that seek authoritarianism and blind allegiance to the state aren't that bright either. I fully support the taking of the knee, and reminding the opposition every single second that they're actually the minorities in this country. More than 3 million people didn't have their votes counted, and as a result, one half of America is going to be getting into the other half's face every second it can. To remind them that kicking, or screaming, America is going to be destroyed or evolved, but the status quo bullshit is over.
Beyond all the arguments, voting with your wallet is the only expression that matters period. I exercise it on a daily basis and I fully applaud all the people asking for refunds. They're voting, and I support the kind of voting that actually ends up representing people. I may disagree with their vote, but that's okay.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @10:21PM
I don't think many people care about those wanting refunds, just the hypocrisy behind it.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @03:26PM (26 children)
You confuse patriotism with nationalism.
(Score: 2) by mth on Friday September 29 2017, @03:44PM (25 children)
Nationalism is a subset of patriotism, isn't it?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @03:48PM (21 children)
Only to people who irrationally hate their country in the same way teenagers hate their parents. Anyone else can see the difference between the two.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Informative) by mth on Friday September 29 2017, @04:02PM (20 children)
Both start with "I love my country", but then nationalism adds "It's better than yours". So nationalism is like an extremist version of patriotism and while the distinction between the two is often clear, there isn't any hard line between them.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @04:09PM (19 children)
It's really irrelevant. Neither is any worse a thing than loving your family more than you love random Joe on the street. Degree of separation has always mattered and should always matter to people in regards to empathy. Those down on either patriotism or nationalism really need to go back to school and learn how tribalism helps a species thrive.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by mth on Friday September 29 2017, @04:29PM (15 children)
There is a difference between not caring about Joe as much as about your family and arguing that Joe is objectively inferior because he's not family. The latter is what happens in nationalism.
To me, it seems tribalism is doing more harm than good for our species. In particular, a democracy cannot function if it includes multiple tribes and whoever is in power only cares about their own tribe. Maybe it was useful in an earlier stage of development, but even then I would think that tribalism would benefit a population (the tribe) and not necessarily a species as a whole.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 29 2017, @04:38PM (1 child)
Like I said then, you need to speak with an anthropology professor or six. I can see where you'd think that. Most globalists do. They're all objectively wrong though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @05:32PM
And you're objectively stupid on a daily basis, sooo now its more of a chicken or egg problem. I love your little fanclub that upmods every single post you make. It is usually just a single upboop so either you made a shell account or someone really wants to jump yer bones :P
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Friday September 29 2017, @07:33PM (12 children)
I agree with you--tribalism impedes human progress. Nationalism is tribalism writ large.
It's still acceptable to hew to an ethos without blurring that into a tribalist or nationalist container. The ethos of America remains dear to my heart. Freedom, justice, and equality are motivating values for my life. Courage, grit, and self-reliance are virtues I strive for. I relish that our ancestors threw off the English monarchy and actively do pity Britons, Canadians, Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders who either failed to assert themselves as men, not subjects, or fell short of ending their association with that monarchy with an exclamation mark, an active rejection of royalty and its conceit that some humans are preternaturally more equal than others in the eyes of God. I mean, I love all of you aforementioned guys for every other reason, but I could never consider myself one of you for that reason.
So in all those things it can't be bad to treasure those things. It's when you come to value the container more highly than the content that you cross the line into bigotry and error. The universality of those values is radically diminished and reduced to a pale mockery of the same when you only accord them to people who belong to your tribe, and no one else. 'Freedom,' when only for Americans, is a word that a free man ought to spit out.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 30 2017, @03:45AM (10 children)
Support your claim with facts then, please. Keep in mind there are many thousands of years of evidence to the contrary though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday September 30 2017, @12:14PM (9 children)
I'm not sure what you mean. What part of what i wrote requires factual support, since it was almost entirely about my feelings about differentiating an ethos from a nationalist or tribalist label? Well, i do think those things and i wrote them, and that's a fact. Does that suffice?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 01 2017, @03:24PM (8 children)
That tribalism impedes human progress.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 02 2017, @12:34AM (7 children)
The continent of Africa?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @01:53AM (6 children)
That's lack of resources not tribalism. Witness Egypt and the rest of the Nile valley.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 02 2017, @10:32AM (5 children)
You mean the continent rich with diamonds, gold, uranium ("yellow cake"), oil (Nigeria), ivory, cobalt, cocoa, palm oil, and all kinds of other valuable minerals is poor and backward because they don't have enough of those things? Those are the definition of "resources."
It is exactly the "beggar thy neighbor" mindset tribalism brings that defeats all their natural advantages.
It would not kill you to concede this point.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @10:45AM (4 children)
No, I mean resources useful to emerging societies. Potable water and edible food and the like.
Look, man, tribes working towards mutually exclusive goals at frequent, though not too frequent, intervals is precisely what put the west where it is today. Think of all the technological advances that have come of wars and competitive, international-scale capitalism over the years. "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a phrase you ignore at your own peril.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 02 2017, @11:04AM (3 children)
No, it's not. It was transcending tribalism that put the West on the path to where it is today, namely in the formation of the nation-state. Suddenly France stopped being a collection of tribes called Bretons, Burgundians, Provencals, and Parisians and became French. Likewise the Germans became that after having been Hessians and Prussians and Bavarians and what-have-you. Being able to work with people who aren't in your tribe is the hallmark of the First World. Being unable to surmount the narrow confines of tribe is what counfounds the Third World.
I know you're reaching for a justification of White supremacy, but the very fact that you can even conceive of "White" supremacy means you are transcending the second-order tribalism of "Briton," "German," "French," "Dutchman," etc. to gloss them into "White." But you're only re-creating a tertiary tribalism in so doing.
Civilization means pluralism, reaching across lines, and working together under an ethos of productivity, freedom, and acceptance.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @03:46PM (2 children)
You're shouting us down for the nation state and saying it's what got us here. At the same time? You confuse me, man.
Aaaand we're done here. You've just gone full on SJW. Have a parting clue though: most people who disagree with you are not racists; they're simply able to recognize that you're wrong.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 02 2017, @04:48PM (1 child)
I'm not some newcomer to these parts. We all know the cut of your jib. So spare us the kewpie eyes when I or anyone else calls it for what it is. It's fine by me, really, have your opinions on race, class, and relative superiority or inferiority, but don't get cute and pretend you don't have them.
You're throwing "SJW" at me because I ascribed your motives to a worldview that you often champion and you're mad because I know that and said it. You think that it therefore cancels what I said, but it doesn't. People who disagree with me are not all racist, by any stretch, but you are. I am not saying it in a pejorative way, but a factual one.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @10:04PM
I'm throwing SJW at you because you just played their favorite tactic. Someone beating you in an argument? Call them a racist/misogynist/transphobe/etc...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday September 30 2017, @03:59AM
Don't worry, I'm proud to be part of a country that has accepted American political refugees seeking freedom for hundreds of years.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @06:01PM
Open your eyes dummy. Human tribalism now needs to be on a planetary scale since that is how impactful human activity is. We all share the planet and subdivided nationalism is the cancer threatening to kill us off.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @06:53PM (1 child)
Actually, it is much, much worse. Fredo. Especially if your not white, but the family is.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 30 2017, @03:46AM
Did you know there are less than ten thousand Klan members left in the entire nation? Your cries of racism ring extremely hollow.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Informative) by unauthorized on Friday September 29 2017, @04:28PM
Much in the same way that cancer is a subset of living tissue.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday September 29 2017, @06:32PM
--Ambrose Bierce
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30 2017, @01:52AM
Nationalism is "My country, right or wrong" Patriotism is "My country, right from wrong"