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posted by takyon on Sunday October 08 2017, @07:24PM   Printer-friendly
from the killing-machine-marginalia dept.

Editor's summary: BuzzFeed, a media outlet and Pulitzer Prize finalist, obtained leaked emails from Breitbart News, some of which were published in Buzzfeed's roughly 9,000-word exposé of the site's inner workings. The article chronicles the rise of Milo Yiannopoulos, Breitbart's tech editor, and his relationship with Steve Bannon, the recent White House Chief Strategist who left the Trump administration and resumed his position as executive chairman of Breitbart News in August. It also details exchanges between Yiannopoulos and people such as Peter Thiel, Devin Saucier, and Curtis Yarvin, among others. The article shows how Breitbart "smuggled white nationalist ideas into the mainstream" by using Yiannopoulos as a go-between for white nationalists and others in his following, who provided him with story tips and constructive (?) criticism.

Vice Media has fired Mitchell Sunderland, an editor and writer for Broadly, Vice's women-focused site. Sunderland emailed Yiannopoulos and encouraged him to mock the feminist writer Lindy West. He also sent a Broadly video about the Satanic Temple and abortion rights to Tim Gionet, Yiannopoulos's tour manager, resulting in this story. Dan Lyons, a writer for the TV series Silicon Valley and author of Disrupted: My Misadventure in the Start-Up Bubble, and David Auerbach, a former technology writer for Slate, also passed along news tips to Breitbart. Auerbach has vociferously denied writing the emails.

Milo Yiannopoulos responded on Thursday, mainly taking issue with a video of him singing karaoke while Richard Spencer and others raised Nazi salutes. Yiannopoulos wrote, "I have said in the past that I find humor in breaking taboos and laughing at things that people tell me are forbidden to joke about. Everyone who knows me has seen me make jokes about some awful things. But everyone who knows me also knows I'm not a racist. As someone of Jewish ancestry, I of course condemn racism in the strongest possible terms. I have stopped making jokes on these matters because I do not want any confusion on this subject. I disavow Richard Spencer and his entire sorry band of idiots. I have been and am a steadfast supporter of Jews and Israel. I disavow white nationalism and I disavow racism and I always have. I have severe myopia, due to a congenital eye defect, as has been widely reported and as many people know or have seen from my squinting during public speeches. In a dark bar, I did not see these hand gestures. If I'd have realized white nationalist losers were hailing me as their leader, I'd have immediately walked off stage. I stand for, as always, race-blind nationalism. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm enjoying my honeymoon with my black husband."

Broadening Brush: Alt-White, Buzzfeed Exposé!

BuzzFeed has published documentation of the direct connection of Breitbart News, the alt-right movement, and Milo Yiannopoulos to white supremacists and neo-Nazi groups:

In August, after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville ended in murder, Steve Bannon insisted that "there's no room in American society" for neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, and the KKK.

But an explosive cache of documents obtained by BuzzFeed News proves that there was plenty of room for those voices on his website.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, under Bannon's leadership, Breitbart courted the alt-right — the insurgent, racist right-wing movement that helped sweep Donald Trump to power. The former White House chief strategist famously remarked that he wanted Breitbart to be "the platform for the alt-right."

The article is extensive, quoting from emails from the Breitbart organization itself.

In March, Breitbart editor Alex Marlow insisted "we're not a hate site." Breitbart's media relations staff repeatedly threatened to sue outlets that described Yiannopoulos as racist. And after the violent white supremacist protest in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August, Breitbart published an article explaining that when Bannon said the site welcomed the alt-right, he was merely referring to "computer gamers and blue-collar voters who hated the GOP brand."

These new emails and documents, however, clearly show that Breitbart does more than tolerate the most hate-filled, racist voices of the alt-right. It thrives on them, fueling and being fueled by some of the most toxic beliefs on the political spectrum — and clearing the way for them to enter the American mainstream.

Sometimes, it is good to know who you are lying down with, so you will know why you have fleas. And sometimes, journalists ought to "follow the money." I highly recommend reading the article, "Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The Mainstream".

Liberal collusion with Alt-right! Shocking!

Now the Salon is getting into the fray, reporting on BuzzFeed's dump of Breitbart emails and pointing out that many liberal journalists are implicated.

A recently released cache of email correspondence revealed direct collaboration between popular alt-right website Breitbart and purported white nationalists and neo-Nazis. While the revelations are damning, they are not entirely surprising to those who follow Breitbart's editorial strategies. More shocking, perhaps, is that a number of purportedly liberal journalists have also secretly colluded with Breitbart over the years.

Again, this is a lengthy article, well worth the read, that goes into detail on the relations of Breitbart News to other journalistic entities, and political extremists. One example:

The surprising journalistic connections to Yiannopoulos include David Auerbach, a tech critic who has contributed extensively to Slate and has been published in intellectual left magazines like n+1, Triple Canopy, and even the Nation, one of the most esteemed voices of the American left. Auerbach once wrote a longform piece of cultural criticism for Triple Canopy exploring how the politics of anonymous online forum culture (A-Culture, in his parlance) eventually evolved into the fusion of libertarianism and racist nationalism that we now associate with sites like 4chan, 8chan and Reddit in its prelapsarian days.

Though anonymity does not play directly into the majority of the discussions on forums associated with A-culture, it is responsible—along with the written nature of the discourse—for the characteristics that have emerged from those sites. . . . Anyone entering into an A-culture forum is likely to witness a nonstop barrage of obscenity, abuse, hostility, and epithets related to race, gender, and sexuality. Anyone objecting to this barrage will immediately attract a torrent of even greater abuse. These forums maintain an equilibrium of offense designed to drive away anyone who is not sympathetic to the general libertarian mindset.

But it does seem that Buzzfeed has stirred up a hornet's nest of buzzing, the type of thing that may even attract buzzards.

Shortly thereafter, Auerbach tweeted that he had "told [Buzzfeed editor Ariel Kaminer] that this stuff was untrue. He's currently trying to put words in my mouth." Auerbach went on to speculate that "Buzzfeed might have it in for me because I criticized Buzzfeed chair Keith Lerer for hiring 4chan's founder." "I also criticized Buzzfeed's business model in NYMag," he added. "So yeah, they're probably pissed at me."

More about sexism and male privilege than racism. Or more of a cat-fight among journalists and whatever those who work for Breitbart are. As Alice said, "Curiouser and curiouser."


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 08 2017, @08:40PM (35 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday October 08 2017, @08:40PM (#578966) Homepage Journal

    It matters to me because I dislike constant Godwin-ing. Save the cries of "white supremacist" or indeed any form of "racist" for when they're actually true. Hyperbole in this context serves nobody's interest except that of the hate merchants.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday October 08 2017, @09:32PM (32 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 08 2017, @09:32PM (#578987) Journal

    It matters to me because I dislike constant Godwin-ing.

    It's NOT Godwinning when we are talking about actual Nazis, even if they are only "Neo", and even if they are only sympathizers.

    Save the cries of "white supremacist" or indeed any form of "racist" for when they're actually true.

    Can you give us any indications that these cries are not actually true in this case? MY Gawd, man, even Eth got the memo and managed a post in this thread with no mention of the Jews! Again, the point of the entire article (Buzzfeed one) is that the ties to racist white supremacists are actual, with names named, positions delineated, and emails quoted.

    Hyperbole in this context serves nobody's interest except that of the hate merchants.

    Do you know what would really help the real merchants of hate, Oh Micturating Brazziere? For their racist white supremacist views to be accepted as a "different point of view" or a "reasonable political position". It is cuck operators like yourself and Milo that are attempting to do exactly this. For the rest of us, these people are evil, crazy, deranged, and if you feel compelled to defend them? In the interests of free speech? By trying to deep-six any discussion of this on SoylentNews? No, calling out Nazis as Nazis is not Godwinning, as Godwin himself has said.

    And Godwin himself took to Facebook to let everyone know that if it walks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi, you better let people know what it really is.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 08 2017, @10:30PM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 08 2017, @10:30PM (#579008) Journal

      It's NOT Godwinning when we are talking about actual Nazis, even if they are only "Neo", and even if they are only sympathizers. Or even if we're only just tarring people with labels... wait.

      Can you give us any indications that these cries are not actually true in this case? MY Gawd, man, even Eth got the memo and managed a post in this thread with no mention of the Jews! Again, the point of the entire article (Buzzfeed one) is that the ties to racist white supremacists are actual, with names named, positions delineated, and emails quoted.

      What's actually being tied? Sounds like guilt by email. If I email you, then somehow you're guilty of the same badness that I supposedly have. I'll note here that you here are publicly communicating with people defending what you claim are Nazis. How can you live with yourself?

      Do you know what would really help the real merchants of hate, Oh Micturating Brazziere? For their racist white supremacist views to be accepted as a "different point of view" or a "reasonable political position". It is cuck operators like yourself and Milo that are attempting to do exactly this. For the rest of us, these people are evil, crazy, deranged, and if you feel compelled to defend them? In the interests of free speech? By trying to deep-six any discussion of this on SoylentNews? No, calling out Nazis as Nazis is not Godwinning, as Godwin himself has said.

      It should be obvious that uncontroversial and popular speech doesn't need a free speech defense. It's not in danger of triggering hate speech bans and other activities illegal in the US.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 08 2017, @10:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 08 2017, @10:42PM (#579013)

        Observe! The "Bubble"! Khallow quotes him self! He cannot be wrong! We are like the buzzing of flies to him! Or the buzzing of B-29's. Poor Nazis.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by KiloByte on Sunday October 08 2017, @11:08PM (6 children)

      by KiloByte (375) on Sunday October 08 2017, @11:08PM (#579021)

      It's NOT Godwinning when we are talking about actual Nazis, even if they are only "Neo", and even if they are only sympathizers.

      Yeah, those who discriminate based on skin color and whether your genitals are mutilated or not. Like, say, Zuckerberg (who sounds like a likely candidate for 2020). Also spewing praise for a vile ideology whose adherents tend to literally (in the real rather than popular sense of the word) put "death to Jews" on their flags.

      Yeah, we're indeed talking about actual Nazis here.

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      • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Monday October 09 2017, @02:40AM (5 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 09 2017, @02:40AM (#579079) Journal

        (in the real rather than popular sense of the word)

        I have no idea what you are trying to say, (((KiloByte))). What is the "popular sense" of "death to Jews"? Not a Nazi, are we, now?

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by KiloByte on Monday October 09 2017, @03:36AM (4 children)

          by KiloByte (375) on Monday October 09 2017, @03:36AM (#579106)

          Uhm, have you tried reading what I wrote? The comment you cut of of context was inserted after "literally", a word which millenials just love to use contrary to its real meaning.

          In this particular case, I used the word "literally" as this group, whose US Dem leaders often voice support of, instead of just vaguely racist statements write "death to Jews" on their very flags, put this into constitutions, etc. Heck, they even try to replace the Declaration of Human Rights with their own version [wikipedia.org] — count the number of times their document condemns Jews!

          I don't get why you accuse me of being a Jew (that's what putting one's name in ((( ))) means these days, right?). I'm not one, nor do I have any Jews in my ancestry I'm aware of. I'm a mere Polack, and that's a nationality that has only a small fraction of contributions to science/etc that Jews have. But neither am I a Nazi, SJW, Alt-Righter, BLM terrorist, or a member of any other hate group.

          I merely consider that, while discriminating against people based on their ethnicity is evil, some ideologies do deserve being called out as vile. You don't get to pick your race, you do get to pick your religion (and I consider Communism or Nazism to be religions).

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          • (Score: 3, Troll) by aristarchus on Monday October 09 2017, @04:23AM (3 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 09 2017, @04:23AM (#579120) Journal

            Thank you for your response. It "literally" clarifies nothing, in the literal sense of "literal". What is the "popular" sense of "death to Jews"? Are you suggesting that American conservative anti-Semites are not "literal" when they say things like, "Jews will not replace us!"? Or are you saying that only Arab anti-Semitism . . . um, you do realize that Arabs are Semites? So the Arabs would have to hate themselves? I am starting to think you are as confused as TMB on these issues. Literally.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @05:00AM

              by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @05:00AM (#579131) Journal
              I'm obviously not him but after reading back over the exchange I may be able to offer some insight.

              "What is the "popular" sense of "death to Jews"?"

              That, or rather a similar phrase which I shan't repeat, is used 'in a popular sense' by some young people in a back-handed, humorous way. I rather dislike it myself, obviously, but I can still grasp the difference in intent and meaning. When it's used in this sense the meaning seems to be very much like when people of my generation would (with as straight a face as we could manage) claim to 'eat babies' as if we were 'huns' out of some world war agitprop.

              There's an instinct to defiance that guarantees political correctness always provokes political incorrectness. And one common form of political incorrectness is to outwardly claim the very most politically incorrect title or aim you can think of, even (nay especially) if it can only be done in jest. This also helps form the in-group out-group boundary, and to police it. Other members of the group play along with the joke, again with faces as straight as can be managed (and these days so much interaction is digital making this part less of a limitation,) and out-group members, normies if you will, simply do not get the joke. Since they don't get the joke, they're easy to spot. Then they become the joke.

              "Are you suggesting that American conservative anti-Semites are not "literal" when they say things like, "Jews will not replace us!"?"

              If you could cite me a specific person that you're purporting to say that, and the context in which it was said, then we might be able to deduce what was actually meant.

              Nah, I know, it's easier just to call everyone that you don't like a bad name, one that justifies punching them instead of talking.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:13AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:13AM (#579606)

              Aristarchus normally I like your posts but in this you make yourself look very foolish. The phrase with the parenthetical clearly meant "they are literally (in the true sense of literally) putting 'death to jews ' on their flags." It's fine to nitpick but this is an informal conversation, not an array bounds check, and you make yourself seem /intentionally/ stupid by writing as you did.

              Note well the /intentionally/ as no reasonable person would make the 'mistake' you did.

              Which means you're not contributing to the conversation, you're just trolling.

              I know you're better than that. I normally look forward to your contributions. Either someone's hacked your account to post making you look bad, or maybe you have beef with the other poster and are trying to troll? Regardless, you hurt our community, and impugn your own reputation.

              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:57AM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:57AM (#579634) Journal

                As serious criticism deserves a serious response. Yes, of course I "got" what KiloByte was trying to say. But as with the Masturbatory Buzzard, this is exactly the problem. "Death to Jews" does not literally mean "death to Jews", it just "popularly" means that? There is a reason that the interesting part of the Buzzfeed article is the attempt to get the Nazis, and Milo, by the way, to stop with the anti-semitic stuff. My point is that by normalizing this sort of "edgy" (as Arik puts it) young white guy posturing, we are in fact normalizing Nazism, and not just some Prep-school, Prince-Harry-for-a-gag, type Nazism, but opening the door for the real thing.

                Now if you want to contrast that with Arab resentment over European imperialists and Zionists forcibly taking over the Levant and creating the state of Israel, well, that is another matter, and one only tangentially related to the issue at hand because of the alt-right simultaneous support of Nazis and Israel. And, of course, pedophilia. And you fear that I am damaging the reputation of SoylentNews? Pssshaw! My long experience in the world has shown me that you do not even let people play around with this sort of stuff. It has consequences, absolutely evil consequences.

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 08 2017, @11:49PM (1 child)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday October 08 2017, @11:49PM (#579032) Homepage Journal

      I think we need to have us a class on what constitutes guilt and what does not. When's good for you?

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @03:25AM (20 children)

      by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @03:25AM (#579100) Journal
      Yes, yes, the gay jew with the long string of black boyfriends is a real live nazi, who thinks people like himself should be herded together and gassed, and he's working to bring that about.

      My mind boggles, you never struck me as particularly gullible.

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      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday October 09 2017, @04:29AM (18 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 09 2017, @04:29AM (#579123) Journal

        Yes, yes, the gay jew with the long string of black boyfriends is a real live nazi, who thinks people like himself should be herded together and gassed, and he's working to bring that about.

        So, kind of like being a Black Republican [wikipedia.org], say, like Ben Carson, or Herman Cain, or Alan Keyes [wikipedia.org]? As for Milo, hey, it's a living, and he does seem to enjoy the limelight. In lieu of actual talent, this is probably the best gig he could get, even if it ends up with him in a camp somewhere. Camp! Ha! Get it?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @04:35AM (17 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @04:35AM (#579126) Journal
          "So, kind of like being a Black Republican [wikipedia.org], say, like Ben Carson, or Herman Cain, or Alan Keyes [wikipedia.org]? "

          Very much alike in the aspect under discussion at the moment, yes; as Ben Carson, Herman Cain, and Alan Keyes are also people who are clearly not nazis.

          The regressive left seems to have become such an echo chamber that you've redefined 'nazi' to mean anyone that disagrees with you, on virtually anything, and I'm far from the first person to notice this.
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          • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Monday October 09 2017, @05:58AM (15 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 09 2017, @05:58AM (#579148) Journal

            The regressive left seems to have become such an echo chamber that you've redefined 'nazi' to mean anyone that disagrees with you, on virtually anything, and I'm far from the first person to notice this.

            Arik, you are usually not this dense, although always proportional-font challenged. There is this thing called "analogy", and in this case I was suggesting that a genetic jew/faggot supporting Nazis, is analogous to modern-day Black Republicans, who are members of a party that actively works against their interests as a minority, while benefiting them personally.

            As for the "all right-wingers are Nazis", well, no. But you see, if you do not keep watch on them, or feed them after midnight, they have strong tendencies to become such. Thus it is important to see that Breitbart, and some very rich fascists in America, are trying to normalize what is just beyond the pale. Any American that advocates discrimination, even an "equal" discrimination, on the basis of race needs to be expelled. Outcast. Exiled. And all the more so those who profit off of "reverse discrimination" by being the token Blacks in the Republican party, or Milo's, um, buddy.

              And you equally appear to be unaware of the actuality of Nazis in America? Did you not see any news reports of the "Untie the Right" rally in Charlottesville? I submitted a plethora of posts on this topic. Unfortunately, almost all were rejected, for some (nazi) reason, or TMB objected strenuously. But here is a link to an article and video that will show, and tell, you who was saying "Jews will not replace us. [theguardian.com]

            Actual Nazis, Arik! Self-identified! And so it is not just a matter of who I disagree with. And, they just did it again, yesterday [nytimes.com].

            Walter Sobchak: Fucking Germans. Nothing changes. Fucking Nazis.
                    Donny: They were Nazis, Dude?
                    Walter Sobchak: Oh, come on, Donny, they were threatening castration! Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?

            https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski [wikiquote.org]

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 09 2017, @07:08AM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 09 2017, @07:08AM (#579166) Journal

              and in this case I was suggesting that a genetic jew/faggot supporting Nazis, is analogous to modern-day Black Republicans, who are members of a party that actively works against their interests as a minority, while benefiting them personally.

              So... do you have a reason for this "suggestion"?

              Any American that advocates discrimination, even an "equal" discrimination, on the basis of race needs to be expelled.

              The unintended consequences of such a stance are delicious. My view is that that would be an incredibly stupid idea. You might even figure out why when you get expelled in turn.

              And you equally appear to be unaware of the actuality of Nazis in America?

              So what? The best you could do was link to a protest with "hundreds" of protesters. This is quite the molehill. There have been real Nazis in the US for around 80 years. They've been a massive joke ever since the end of the Second World War.

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 09 2017, @07:55AM (1 child)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 09 2017, @07:55AM (#579178) Journal

                Any American that advocates discrimination, even an "equal" discrimination, on the basis of race needs to be expelled.

                The unintended consequences of such a stance are delicious. My view is that that would be an incredibly stupid idea. You might even figure out why when you get expelled in turn.

                Now, that expelling is what I would call a feature, not a bug.
                But that's just me; I have a strong distaste living in a dog-eat-dog society when there are quite a large number of places in this world were one can "live and let live".

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 09 2017, @02:17PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 09 2017, @02:17PM (#579271) Journal

                  But that's just me; I have a strong distaste living in a dog-eat-dog society when there are quite a large number of places in this world were one can "live and let live".

                  I favor those sorts of places as well. Expelling people because they don't have the approved attitude is most definitely not live and let live.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @07:10AM (9 children)

              by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @07:10AM (#579168) Journal
              "Arik, you are usually not this dense, although always proportional-font challenged. There is this thing called "analogy", and in this case I was suggesting that a genetic jew/faggot supporting Nazis, is analogous to modern-day Black Republicans, who are members of a party that actively works against their interests as a minority, while benefiting them personally."

              I am afraid it is not I who is being dense here. I understood precisely what you were saying. This is the, I don't know what to call it, arrogance? There's arrogance involved but that's not the right word. Tribalism? There's a lot of that involved.

              Let me snip it out a little tighter.

              "modern-day Black Republicans, who are members of a party that actively works against their interests"

              *IN YOUR OPINION.*

              In your opinion, they have made the wrong political choice, they have chosen against what YOU SAY they should believe is their own interest.

              They disagree. And you show absolutely no respect whatsoever for their right to disagree with you. For their right to come to their own conclusion on the matter, at least should it disagree with your own! as to what their interests are, as a minority or as anything else?

              How patronizing can you be? How can you deny them agency on the basis of their skin color and not realize that you're the racist?

              "As for the "all right-wingers are Nazis", well, no. But you see, if you do not keep watch on them, or feed them after midnight, they have strong tendencies to become such."

              There you go, the sjw credo in a nutshell. Anyone that disagrees with the slogans we learned from the washed up old lunatics the university assigned us for daycare is not *necessarily* a nazi - but they're probably at least a sympathizer and they definitely don't deserve civil rights like us good people do.

              "Any American that advocates discrimination, even an "equal" discrimination, on the basis of race needs to be expelled. Outcast. Exiled."

              I can tell you very precisely where you crossed the line. "Expelled." Expelling people because they have the wrong opinion is just as unamerican as advocating discrimination. In fact, it *is* advocating discrimination.

              This is the language of authoritarianism. Whether the left or the right, the psychological disorder is very similar. This is the language of hygiene. The very same language Hitler used - first against literal vermin, enforcing strict food safety laws, forcing disinfection of insect-infested links in the food chain with zyklon b. Then it was euthanasia - not legalizing it, no - they made it mandatory. Again, it was about hygiene, removing the cell that was too damaged, that could never be made whole again, so that the resources could be better used for the good of the whole organism, the nation. And then it came to the jews and the fags and the roma and whole classes of people, and again that zyklon b was used. And again, this was justified, this was rationalized, in the language of hygiene. It was removing cancer, it was cleansing the larger body.

              It comes from a mindset, a mindset that occurs more often when there's great danger of contagious disease. In such a time, it has survival value, and I presume you retain the first day of biology 101. That mindset wants to contain the uncontaminated in a safe space, and it wants to keep the other, anything or anyone that is potentially contaminated, on the other side of the wall, or under surveillance and curfew, it's obsessed with cleanliness, in both literal and figurative meanings of the word.

              In terms of brain chemistry, I suspect there is essentially no difference between todays SJW yelling 'nazi!' and a real historic nazi yelling 'juden!'

              "And you equally appear to be unaware of the actuality of Nazis in America?"

              I suspect I'm much more aware, and accurately informed, of them than you to be frank.

              I never said there aren't some people on the right with some fscking insanely wrong ideas btw. Quite the contrary.

              But the intolerant and regressive elements on the left that fancy themselves the answer to this problem are once again only fanning the flames, just as their spiritual forbears did in the 30s!

              You want to see the equivalent of nazis take over this country? Give them what they need. Push the language of hygiene and intolerance. Push hard on the fracture lines in society, encourage one class to overturn another. Organize, take direct action, wear masks and destroy property a bit now and then.

              Tell yourself you're taking effective action against those horrible people, you're doing some good, standing up to the bullies, right? But what you're actually doing is making them look good. Playing right into their hands. People get sick of that kind of crap, and they want a strong man to put his foot down and make it stop, and the next thing you know some wacky little group of nuts that never mattered to anyone before you started punching them... holy $&!^ they won the election! How did that happen?

              How indeed.
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              • (Score: 2, Funny) by aristarchus on Monday October 09 2017, @07:21AM (3 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 09 2017, @07:21AM (#579172) Journal

                So, you are not a Nazi?

                • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @08:29AM

                  by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @08:29AM (#579189) Journal
                  In all earnest and sincerity the very notion that I need to answer that is offensive beyond words.

                  I'll give you something to be disgusted by though. I've shaken hands with nazis! IN PLURAL! HELL I PARTIED WITH THEM MULTIPLE TIMES!

                  Well, at least they wanted to call themselves nazis. They weren't German, and none of them was even alive when there were nazis, but you know what I mean. Stupid white kids that thought it was edgy. With my childhood, I didn't have much of a choice in the matter, so there's my excuse. There was the stage where they'd surround me so no one could see then knock me down and kick me back and forth while chanting anti-semite shit. I beat them. I moved. I found a new bunch of em and I found a new way to beat them. At the height of my involvement with them, in college, I used to have parties at my house that were positively infamous for all the racist skinheads that showed up.

                  But it's not quite like that sounds, I have to give you that, even as I try to shock you. My house was open to everyone. It was probably the only place those stupid white kids trying to be edgy could come and sit down with a black guy and a jew and an arab and at least two east-asians and everyone have a beer and shoot the shit like we're all people. And I could do that because even when I had to fight these guys I still treated them with respect. I still treated them as human. So in the end they could trust me.

                  I suspect history will bear me out in thinking that's a more productive path than 'punch a nazi.'
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                  If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 09 2017, @02:53PM (1 child)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 09 2017, @02:53PM (#579283) Journal

                  So, you are not a Nazi?

                  And you call yourself a philosopher. Why can't you troll [soylentnews.org] better?

              • (Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Monday October 09 2017, @02:30PM (4 children)

                by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday October 09 2017, @02:30PM (#579275) Homepage
                > > ... modern-day Black Republicans, who are members of a party that actively works against their interests as a minority, ...

                > Let me snip it out a little tighter.

                > "modern-day Black Republicans, who are members of a party that actively works against their interests"

                No. You may not. You have snipped not just in the middle of a sentence, but *in the middle of a noun phrase*. That's just off. "Their interests" is different from "their interests as a minority", you've not just destroyed the context, you've destroyed the meaning, of the quote. And given that ari was specifically focussing on the different types of interests these people might have, that's nothing but straw-man-creating butchery.
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                • (Score: 1) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @07:35PM (3 children)

                  by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @07:35PM (#579377) Journal
                  ""Their interests" is different from "their interests as a minority", you've not just destroyed the context, you've destroyed the meaning, of the quote."

                  I don't think I did that at all, I actually considered it both ways, but you're right that they are different things. And this is another example of how you load the language up to create conflict, to make it inevitable. By insisting on their interests *as a minority* what you're doing is insisting that they must adopt the same tribalistic sort of identity politics you do. They have no obligation to do so! They are fully functioning, fully capable human beings who have the right to make up their own mind, and insisting as you do here that their skin color must define who they are and what their real interests are is just as racist as any of the "alt-right" chatter. At least those guys are mostly just trying to be funny. I don't get the impression you're trying to be funny.
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                  If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
                  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:23AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:23AM (#579610)

                    Ugh. No. "Being funny" makes the uncomfortable more palatable. If a neonazi makes comedically-ept racist statements, and people laugh out of uncomfortableness or humour or both, but don't reject it, then racism has been normalized.

                  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday October 10 2017, @01:23PM

                    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday October 10 2017, @01:23PM (#579757) Homepage
                    My response to your post depends on whether the "you"s you used are intended to include me.
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            • (Score: 2) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @09:28AM (1 child)

              by Arik (4543) on Monday October 09 2017, @09:28AM (#579208) Journal
              You want to trade video links?

              Fine, I saw yours, and scenes to shock the eyes ears and brain.

              Now you see mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gKGq_MYpU

              Go ahead, it won't hurt. More than you can bear.
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              If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday October 09 2017, @08:23PM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 09 2017, @08:23PM (#579398) Journal

                Hey! Is this where the khallow is getting all his UBI concern from? Cuckroach radio, just like in Rwanda?

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday October 09 2017, @05:02PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday October 09 2017, @05:02PM (#579313) Journal

            Way to miss the point, Arik.

            Look, black folks in the US have a long history of voting against their best interest, and believing against it too. Any black person who is a Christian or a Muslim, for example, has a reeeeeeeeeeeal short historical memory. Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson seem to think that by adopting the beliefs and (lack of) values of their historical oppressors they can become members of "the club." And in a way they did, but the cost of entry was not only their souls but their pride.

            Wanna know what "acting white" really is? It's not academic success in school. It's these traitors toadying up to the kyriarchy. THAT is race treason, not studying for good grades, because fucks like "Uncle" Clarence Thomas are throwing almost every other black person in the country under the bus. THIS is the definition of "house negro," and I wish more black folks would call them out on it.

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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday October 09 2017, @06:07PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday October 09 2017, @06:07PM (#579345) Journal

        It turns out gay people can be massive hypocrites too. This surprises you?

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 09 2017, @02:05AM (1 child)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 09 2017, @02:05AM (#579059) Journal

    "smuggled white nationalist ideas into the mainstream"

    That's some insane shit, people. There is far more evidence that Patty Hearst joined a terrorist organization, and Ted Turner's wife was a treasonous whore - but the left ignores all that stuff, and attacks the right.

    I have nothing but contempt for that entire "alt-right" shit. Everyone right of Chairman Mao is considered "alt-right" these days.

    This article is nothing more than inflammatory, divisive propaganda. I don't know why it was even accepted.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:28AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @04:28AM (#579617)

      > This article is nothing more than inflammatory, divisive propaganda. I don't know why it was even accepted

      Because it's more than just propaganda, though there is an aspect of that. It's a look into a political machine, and as citizens of a world in which the US is a leading state, the machinations of that state matter to everyone, and are worth inspecting. To fail to look behind the curtain is to abdicate responsibility; for those of us who wish to claim to live democratically, that is therefore unconscionable.