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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday October 10 2017, @06:16AM   Printer-friendly
from the ethics-committee dept.

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

Bath Spa University is conducting an internal inquiry into claims that it turned down an application for research on gender reassignment reversal because it was "potentially politically incorrect" and would attract criticism on social media.

James Caspian, a psychotherapist who specialises in working with transgender people, proposed the research about "detransitioning" to the university in south-west England, which, he said, initially approved the application.

When he went back with his preliminary findings that suggested growing numbers of young people, particularly women, were regretting gender reassignment, Bath Spa said his proposal would have to be resubmitted to the ethics committee, which rejected it.

Caspian, who enrolled on an MA course at the university, said he was "astonished" by the decision and had sought legal advice.

"The fundamental reason given was that it might cause criticism of the research on social media, and criticism of the research would be criticism of the university. They also added it's better not to offend people," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Monday.

I was going to add some snark here but they pretty well covered making a mockery of academia for me.

Source: The Guardian

Also at: The Times


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 10 2017, @06:32PM (11 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @06:32PM (#579951) Journal

    Transgender people are a vanishingly small portion of the population. Who cares?

    Equal Protection Under the Law is a foundational principle in our society.

    When it fails it always fails at some small portion of the population.

    People have asked the exact same question about EVERY violation of this principle.

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  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday October 10 2017, @07:36PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @07:36PM (#580002) Journal

    And why do you get so much more worked up about equal protection under law for transgenders than for the far more numerous population of one-armed men and women? Are they not as, if not more, deserving of having special laws passed to protect and honor them? Is their plight not worthy of being written into every screenplay for educating the masses, of drawing articles from flagship newspapers like the Washington Post and New York Times, of causing re-education, I mean "sensitivity", trainings in corporations, schools, and cities across the country?

    I'll tell you why. It's ridiculous to pander to every thinly sliced cross-section of humanity like that, especially when you're not really after equal protection under law for all but to gin up another bullshit cause to outrage and divide people so they don't notice that the lizard people are *still* stealing everything that isn't nailed down. It's absurd.

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    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 10 2017, @08:51PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @08:51PM (#580052) Journal

      All Americans deserve equal protection under the law. Find me the laws that target one-armed people in an unfair manner and I will oppose those as well.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @07:40PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 10 2017, @07:40PM (#580004)

    Equal Protection Under the Law is a foundational principle in our society.

    How are transpersons not being treated equally? I went to school with someone who was born intersex and recall no issues.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 10 2017, @09:30PM (5 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @09:30PM (#580078) Journal

      How are transpersons not being treated equally? I went to school with someone who was born intersex and recall no issues.

      Anti-Transgender Legislation Spreads Nationwide, Bills Targeting Transgender Children Surge [hrc.org]

      Even if you ignore the "bathroom bills" you have bills that allow public employees to deny government (taxpayerd funded) services to Trans people based solely on the fact that they're Trans.

      That's the very definition of un-equal protection under the law.

      • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @12:09AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @12:09AM (#580175)

        I've not read the PDF but there is no so thing as "transgender", there are 2 human genders denoted by the presence of a (male) Y chromosome. I also reject the idea of transsexual children. [soylentnews.org] There was never a problem with intersex or transsexual individuals before the SJW crowd started crying victim on their behalf.

        I'm sure exhibitionism has a neurological component, should we let nudists walk around naked? What about paedophilia, are paedophiles being oppressed by laws designed to protect children? What about psychopathic murderers, they're born incapable of empathy and yet society "oppresses" them by preventing them killing anyone who looks at them the wrong way? Why shouldn't a sociopath be able to knife you to the floor and steal your wallet and phone? Almost like liberal society denies people their impulses and desires all the time in service of the common good?

        When I was young, I played in local punk bands and dyed my hair funny colors. I had friends with tattoos, piercings and strange fashion senses. I currently converse with a few transsexual people as a part of my job. Liberalism doesn't mean letting my 13 year old daughter go to a public bathroom unattended when there's some rainbow haired, tattoo'd and pierced, "transgender" freak in there. We should simply designate the disabled toilet as "disabled / other" and be done with that issue. Make a statement to society and society will make a statement back. The SJW morons need to realize that their destructive narcissism is the cause of intersex and transsexual prejudice and that the ire is ultimately going to be directed in their direction.

        Social justice warriors are narcissistic abusers that fuck things up for everyone, how many (feminist) Harvey Weinstein's will it take to get the message through?

        • (Score: 2) by chromas on Wednesday October 11 2017, @04:51AM

          by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 11 2017, @04:51AM (#580292) Journal

          What about paedophilia, are paedophiles being oppressed by laws designed to protect children?

          Yes. They want to be called pedosexuals now.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @06:34AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @06:34AM (#580318)

          I've not read the PDF but there is no so thing as "transgender", there are 2 human genders denoted by the presence of a (male) Y chromosome. I also reject the idea of transsexual children. [soylentnews.org] There was never a problem with intersex or transsexual individuals before the SJW crowd started crying victim on their behalf.

          Listen, you total waste of protoplasm! I will fix your statement for you, for True Justice!

          I've not read the PDF but there is was no so such thing as a SJW before the alt-right started crying victimhood on own their behalf.

          There, FTFY. No run along and get your gender fixed to match your biological sex. I recommend a very large 4X4 Pick-em-up Truck. Maybe with some Truck Nutz on the tow-hitch, so that at least one of you can have some balls.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @10:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @10:37PM (#580830)

            Listen, you total waste of protoplasm! I will fix your statement for you, for True Justice!

            Thank you for proving my point with your social constructivist SJW fantasies. I'm left wing, forgive me for pointing out that people with excessive piercings, tattoos and died hair who dress as the opposite gender may have issues. Not like I've hung around with people exactly like this or have enough experience to justify exactly why, as a parent, it's my duty to keep such people away from my young children.

            I'm not singling anyone out, there's plenty of people who dress in suits that I'd keep my children away from too. Am I somehow oppressing successful business people?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 13 2017, @06:18AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 13 2017, @06:18AM (#581602)

          I'm sure exhibitionism has a neurological component, should we let nudists walk around naked?

          Sure. Walking around naked doesn't actually hurt anyone, even if there are snowflakes who get offended by it. You're anti-freedom if you think government thugs should be able to stop people from walking around naked on their own property or in public.

          What about paedophilia, are paedophiles being oppressed by laws designed to protect children?

          I don't understand. The mere fact that someone is a pedophile does not mean they hold a desire to rape children in reality.

          At any rate, this is irrelevant to transgender people.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:12PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:12PM (#580438)

      I went to school with someone who was born intersex and recall no issues.

      Then this person was incredibly lucky.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @10:20PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @10:20PM (#580823)

        Then this person was incredibly lucky.

        No, he was not. Life dealt him a bad hand before he was even born. [wikipedia.org] There were no broader issues for discussion. The guy was picked on like everyone else at an all boys school; this person was not ever, to the best of my knowledge, bullied.