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posted by CoolHand on Friday October 13 2017, @12:41AM   Printer-friendly
from the somebody-get-the-popcorn dept.

A major shift from the Boy Scouts of America:

Irving, Texas – October 11, 2017 – Today, the Boy Scouts of America Board of Directors unanimously approved to welcome girls into its iconic Cub Scout program and to deliver a Scouting program for older girls that will enable them to advance and earn the highest rank of Eagle Scout. The historic decision comes after years of receiving requests from families and girls, the organization evaluated the results of numerous research efforts, gaining input from current members and leaders, as well as parents and girls who've never been involved in Scouting – to understand how to offer families an important additional choice in meeting the character development needs of all their children.

"This decision is true to the BSA's mission and core values outlined in the Scout Oath and Law. The values of Scouting – trustworthy, loyal, helpful, kind, brave and reverent, for example – are important for both young men and women," said Michael Surbaugh, the BSA's Chief Scout Executive. "We believe it is critical to evolve how our programs meet the needs of families interested in positive and lifelong experiences for their children. We strive to bring what our organization does best – developing character and leadership for young people – to as many families and youth as possible as we help shape the next generation of leaders."

[...] Starting in the 2018 program year, families can choose to sign up their sons and daughters for Cub Scouts. Existing packs may choose to establish a new girl pack, establish a pack that consists of girl dens and boy dens or remain an all-boy pack. Cub Scout dens will be single-gender — all boys or all girls. Using the same curriculum as the Boy Scouts program, the organization will also deliver a program for older girls, which will be announced in 2018 and projected to be available in 2019, that will enable them to earn the Eagle Scout rank. This unique approach allows the organization to maintain the integrity of the single gender model while also meeting the needs of today's families.

I'll admit it, I was a little surprised by the announcement. As a longtime member of the BSA and an Eagle Scout, I find this extremely interesting. I know some who are dead set against it, and others who are totally for it. My personal opinion is that it will be a good thing, both for the BSA and for the young men and women who become part of the organization.

The biggest loser in all of this will probably be the Girl Scouts. I can see their membership numbers dwindling rapidly if/when this takes off.

As a side note, Scouting has been co-ed in many countries for decades.

Both the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts have seen decreasing membership in recent years, and both have been trying to find ways to increase their membership. In this context, they now seem to be butting heads:

The Boy Scouts will soon include girls, and not everyone's happy about it.

The 107-year-old organization announced Wednesday that younger girls will be allowed to join Cub Scouts and that older girls will be eligible to earn the prestigious rank of Eagle Scout.

[...] For months, Girl Scouts USA had a notion BSA would try to start recruiting girls. In August, Buzzfeed News obtained a strongly worded letter in which GSUSA President Kathy Hopinkah Hannan accused the BSA of courting girls to boost falling enrollment numbers.

From the letter:

We are confused as to why, rather than working to appeal to the 90 percent of boys who are not involved in BSA programs, you would choose to target girls.

What are your thoughts? Were you ever a boy scout, or a girl scout, or did they ever affect you in any way? And do you think the BSA should be praised for opening their doors to girls or should they be castigated for 'targeting' girls who would be better off staying with their own kind?


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday October 13 2017, @07:37AM (1 child)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Friday October 13 2017, @07:37AM (#581619) Homepage Journal

    Lots of good comments above... My 2 cents worth, as someone who profited a lot from the BSA when I was a kid:

    - There's a reason to segregate boys and girls. There are also reasons to put them together. Those make for two very different experiences, and both are important. If you want co-ed activities, there are plenty of places that offer them. There aren't so many that offer boys-only or girls-only activities. The BSA was an important one, and now it's lost.

    - The BSA has been following progressive politics more and more. Yet I expect that most of the families that actually participate in it are more conservative. Hence, the huge decline in number of kids over the past several years. "SJWs always double down". Rather than reversing course, and getting rid of the progressive politics, they instead go a step farther and admit girls. This will only accelerate the decline.

    - As for the GSA: That's an entirely separate problem. The girl scouts apparently don't offer any sort of equivalent experience, but there are competing organizations for girls that do. The best option for girls would be to find and support a good girls-only organization.

    I have long since unsubscribed from the BSA electronic newsletter, and certainly I won't be supporting the organization any more. It's time to find a replacement.

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  • (Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Friday October 13 2017, @12:52PM

    by cmn32480 (443) <cmn32480NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday October 13 2017, @12:52PM (#581712) Journal

    Keep in mind a couple things:

    1. The programs are still going to be separate, but identical as far as the information that has currently been released says. The Cub Scout dens will be single sex, and the only mixing will be at the pack meetings/outings. The Boy Scout Troops will (supposedly) be completely separate organizations. So (most likely) no co-ed camping trips. Personally I don't see this lasting very long, as maintaining the infrastructure and getting leadership for multiple dens or troops at the same level is going to be difficult, especially if one or the other has a very few members.
    2. BSA membership has been declining since the early 1970's when it hit a high of about 6 million members. As of 2016 it was about 2.3 million members.
    3. The biggest loser in this is likely to be the Girl Scouts. The way I understand it is that the types of activities greatly depend on the leadership. If the girls want to camp, but the leader can't spell "tent" then they MIGHT go cabin camping. It is a systemic issue within the Girl Scouts program. The BSA program is built around a different set of skills, and a different more rigid framework of activities that have to be completed.
    4. The biggest test is going to be when some teenage girl gets knocked up on a Scout sanctioned camping trip. The lawsuits will be tremendous.

    I'm going to continue supporting the program until I think that it is no longer suitable for my kids.

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