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posted by martyb on Friday October 13 2017, @05:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the uber-and-out dept.

Before Uber lost its license to operate in London, the first half of Keiser Report Episode E1112: Uber Business considered the scenario of Uber's collapse. Figures are taken from a financial report but the hosts add startling commentary. Uber has lost about US$3 billion and more than 10% is due to bad car leases to Uber drivers. To maximize the number of available drivers, Uber arranged leases to 40,000 drivers. These are on generous terms, such as unlimited mileage, inclusive repairs and the option to return a vehicle with a US$250 penalty. Uber expected losses of US$500 per vehicle. However, with some vehicles accumulating 20,000 miles within six months, vehicles have depreciated to 1/2 of their showroom price. So, average loss per vehicle is US$9,000. For 40,000 vehicles, this is about US$360 million.

How did such an elementary mistake get so bad? Some tranches of funding have been provided by investment banks, such as Goldman Sachs, who charge fees for investment advice into high-tech shares (such as Uber), charge fees for brokerage services for shares (including Uber) and have have their own holdings in Uber. Although Goldman Sachs would presumably be "too big to fail", Uber certainly isn't. Enron collapsed after a peak market capitalization of US$80 billion. Without adjusting for inflation, Uber is worth about US$70 billion. However, much of this value is captured from a finite pool of taxi license "medallions". For example, a medallion for a New York Yellow Cab has traded above US$1 million. It is now 1/10 of that value and Max Keiser believes this is still over-valued due to ongoing market uncertainty.

Anyhow, in the scenario that Uber collapses, investment banks keep their fees. However, their holdings may require a bailout, may be offset as a tax loss, or in the worst case, they'll have to go through the grind of jubbing other shares to their clients. It would be trivial to slice 'n' dice US$720 million of subprime vehicle leases (total value, not the loss). However, if Uber is placed into administration, the situation is far less optimistic for drivers. Obviously, drivers lose a source of income. However, 40,000 drivers may incur unilateral changes to their lease arrangements. For some, they may have a lease on a vehicle that they cannot utilize and cannot return. This could bankrupt some individuals. Meanwhile, institutional investors would be largely unaffected.


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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 13 2017, @06:22PM (3 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday October 13 2017, @06:22PM (#581922)

    Plenty of "work from home, independent consultant" schemes supply marketing material and the goods to sell... not saying those are a great way to make money, either, but brochures and samples are the "tools of the trade" at tupperware parties and the like.

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  • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Friday October 13 2017, @06:42PM (2 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Friday October 13 2017, @06:42PM (#581932) Homepage Journal

    No, those are sales goods and marketing material. If they provide the desk and the computer, it would be different. Über providing the car is more like equipping your office.

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    • (Score: 2) by davester666 on Friday October 13 2017, @06:50PM

      by davester666 (155) on Friday October 13 2017, @06:50PM (#581939)

      I wonder if, were Uber to die the painful death it deserves, that whomever buys the assets can impose whatever random terms they want for these vehicle leases. Hopefully people wouldn't be dumb enough to sign up for a lease with a "Terms of this lease may change with 30 days notice, and you must accept the new terms."

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 13 2017, @07:46PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday October 13 2017, @07:46PM (#581974)

      They sell you branded tablecloths to display on, they sell you the website to take orders on - does it need to be a physical desk and computer? What's the real difference between providing the physical computer vs providing all the company specific software to access via your cellphone?

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