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posted by takyon on Saturday October 14 2017, @12:49AM   Printer-friendly
from the proactive-data-recovery dept.

Last week, The Wall Street Journal dropped a bombshell when it reported that Russian government hackers located confidential National Security Agency material improperly stored on an employee's home computer with help from Kaspersky antivirus, which happened to be installed. On Tuesday, The New York Times and The Washington Post provided another shocker: the Russian hackers were caught in the act by spies from Israel, who were burrowed deep inside Kaspersky's corporate network around the time of the theft.

Ars Technica: How Kaspersky AV reportedly was caught helping Russian hackers steal NSA secrets

The New York Times: How Israel Caught Russian Hackers Scouring the World for U.S. Secrets

The Washington Post: Israel hacked Kaspersky, then tipped the NSA that its tools had been breached (archive)

Previously: Kaspersky Lab and Lax Contractor Blamed for Russian Acquisition of NSA Tools


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by jelizondo on Saturday October 14 2017, @04:35AM (7 children)

    by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 14 2017, @04:35AM (#582179) Journal

    Let’s just talk about Puerto Rico. Is Russia treating Crimea the same as the U.S. is dealing with Puerto Rico? Let’s talk about Guam. Is Russia treating Crimea the same as the U.S. deals with Guam?

    I’m not against your point, I want whoever wants to go against it to explain to me how the U.S. is better than Russia when dealing with ‘acquired’ territories.

    Now, let’s review history. In the last two centuries, how many times has Russia attacked a European country? How many times it has been attacked by European countries? (N.B. Lithuania, Estonia, Crimea, etc. are NOT in the European continent, at least geographically talking; France and Germany are indeed European.)

    Now how many times has the U.S. attacked other american countries in the last two centuries?

    Based on recent history, please explain why we should worry about Russia attacking Germany or France and spend billions of dollars preventing it and not spend the money preventing the U.S. from attacking (in the past 50 years), Cuba, Panama, Grenada and Nicaragua.

    I don't support Putin but making him our greatest enemy is stupid. China will eat our lunch while we worry about the Russian bear, who happens to be as corrupt and sleazy as any American politician and fully supports capitalism.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @04:59AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @04:59AM (#582188)

    Suppose that Russia had never bothered any other country. They didn't just rip two chunks off of Georgia, invade the Ukraine, violate Baltic borders both land and sea, or any of the other crap that they've been up to. Suppose they only swiped secrets from the USA.

    Suppose the the USA had been up to more mischief. Suppose we grabbed the rest of that large island we share with Canada. Suppose we drilled sideways under Mexico to steal their oil. Suppose we were counterfeiting Russian currency like mad. Suppose we rigged up Tokyo's phone switch to listen in on all calls.

    And...?

    All US citizens still need to support the US. It's a duty and obligation. It is self-beneficial, and it benefits future generations. The situation is every country for itself. Being a winner is better than being a loser. You fight for the home team, because the success of the home team greatly impacts your life.

    If you'd rather support some other country, go there, and give up your US citizenship. If you stay in the US and undermine the ability of the US to gain advantage over other countries, then you belong in front of a firing squad.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @07:48AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @07:48AM (#582206)

      I have to disagree.

      I love my homeland, my country, the United States. There is nothing in my nature that says I have to love my government, or any administration in charge of that government. In fact - careful reading of our constitution, and the various papers and letters penned by our founding fathers warns us NOT to love our government. The whole constitution was designed to protect us - you, me, all of us - FROM government.

      Long story short, it would be unpatriotic if you failed to love the people. It is also unpatriotic to support the government without question.

      If the current government were to be dissolved, and replaced with something new and different, our country, our people would still be the same. All of that is what we should love and support, not some corrupt government.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @12:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @12:14PM (#582252)

      Jokes on you, buddy. I'm not allowed to leave the state, let alone the country, because I refuse to follow the rules of your so-called "home team." Give me a plane ticket and right of passage I'd be gone. Fuck the USA. Flat out!

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by pTamok on Saturday October 14 2017, @09:19AM

    by pTamok (3042) on Saturday October 14 2017, @09:19AM (#582224)

    Geographically, a major part of the the dividing line between Europe and Asia is the Ural mountains.

    The conventional boundary [wikipedia.org] between Europe and Asia is

    along the Turkish Straits, the Caucasus and the Urals (historically also north of the Caucasus, along the Kuma–Manych Depression or along the Don River)

    Crimea and Baltic states have always been placed geographically in Europe.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @09:26AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 14 2017, @09:26AM (#582226)

    > Lithuania, Estonia, Crimea, etc. are NOT in the European continent

    Alternative geography.

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday October 14 2017, @05:02PM (1 child)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday October 14 2017, @05:02PM (#582333) Journal

    Let’s just talk about Puerto Rico. Is Russia treating Crimea the same as the U.S. is dealing with Puerto Rico?

    When was the last time we invaded and occupied Puerto Rico?

    • (Score: 2) by jelizondo on Saturday October 14 2017, @10:53PM

      by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 14 2017, @10:53PM (#582430) Journal

      On July 25, 1898, during the Spanish–American War, the U.S. invaded Puerto Rico [wikipedia.org]

      The Spanish had already granted autonomy to Puerto Rico when the U.S. decided it was valuable as a naval station and to get rid of the Spanish presence. No one asked if the puertoricans wanted to be 'liberated' from Spain to become second class citizens of the U.S.