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http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/michael-christopher-estes-asheville-airport-bomber-suspect/
A 46-year-old man is facing federal charges accusing him of leaving a jar filled with explosives at a North Carolina airport as part of a war he pledged to fight on U.S. soil.
Michael Christopher Estes was arrested October 7 and charged with attempted malicious use of explosive materials and unlawful possession of explosive materials in an airport, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Tuesday.
The improvised explosive device, or IED, was found inside a jar at the Asheville Regional Airport about 7 a.m. on October 6, the FBI said in the complaint. Bomb technicians from the Asheville Police Department rendered the device safe. The baggage claim and lobby area of the airport were evacuated and shut down for about 2 hours. No one was injured.
also at USA Today and The Independent
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:10PM (33 children)
Otherwise, great job on calling yourself out!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:15PM (19 children)
Otherwise? Otherwise what?
Who is being called out and for what? Obviously, there's something unspoken both in what you're reading and writing.
I don't know what you're trying to say.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Sulla on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:38PM (11 children)
Not going to look for links right now so maybe someone else has some.. Back under Bush and Obama (and I presume under Trump) there were a few times where the FBI would find a guy with issues, get him worked up more, provide him with weapons, and then after pressured to follow through would head toward a mark and get nabbed by the guys giving him guns.
I remember this happening two or three times under Bush and once under Obama, but I did not read the news as much back then. FBI was all happy about getting people who had intent, but really just seemed like entrapment to me.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by number11 on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:03PM (3 children)
This is true. But usually the FBI would also give him a bomb that wouldn't actually work, and be right there on the scene to bust him when he tried to use it. If this one was an FBI dupe, it would demonstrate less competence than usual on their part. It doesn't sound like the FBI were the ones to get the credit for catching him, and the glory in appearing to save the world is the whole point, from their point of view.
Of course, we don't know much yet about where this guy is coming from. Maybe he's watched some of those other cases and thought "I can do that better". Or maybe, if he is indeed Native American, his sovereign nation (reservation) has declared war on the US invaders. Maybe he's jealous of the militias that nutcase white guys get to join. Maybe the airport lost his bag.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:07PM (2 children)
Like this one?
There's no way this device would work. Go read TFA.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by number11 on Sunday October 15 2017, @11:42PM (1 child)
According to TFA, he seems to have purchased most or all the parts for the bomb, and probably made it himself. (You'd think he would have tried making a prototype and setting it off, just to test the design, but I guess he skipped that step.) The FBI would have come up with something less Rube Goldberg, and has in other cases. Anyhow, the FBI didn't get the glory of busting him, so they weren't behind it. They don't do that stuff to let somebody else get the credit.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday October 16 2017, @01:31AM
Why would he do that? That would have demonstrated a desire to hurt someone. No such desire seems to have been involved.
It may that he wanted nothing more than a warm place to sleep.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Sunday October 15 2017, @08:03PM (5 children)
https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/ [theintercept.com]
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/03/the-fbi-pressured-a-lonely-young-man-into-a-bomb-plot-he-tried-to-back-out-now-hes-serving-life-in-prison/ [theintercept.com]
Most people tend to forget that when the FBI catches terrorists, 95% of the time they found a mentally ill man on Twitter and instruct a paid confidential informant to give him grey play-doh to use as a bomb. Then they arrest.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @11:12PM
They were amazed (well, not so much) that a terrorist event committed by a white guy got zero coverage from Lamestream Media or Drumpf.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday October 16 2017, @03:07AM (3 children)
How the hell are these convictions allowed to stand? We had a case here where the RCMP found a couple of dissatisfied junkies, coached them, gave them pressure cookers etc, bus and ferry fare, eventually threatened, and then busted them. While they were convicted (they obviously were attempting to blow stuff up), the conviction was shortly overturned due to it being obvious entrapment. We're talking people who couldn't get it together to take the bus across town, little well implement a terrorist attack.
https://globalnews.ca/news/2855499/b-c-judge-set-to-rule-on-canada-day-terror-trial-entrapment-case/ [globalnews.ca]
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday October 16 2017, @03:44AM (2 children)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/atif-rafay-family-killer-targeted-in-mr-big-sting-wants-case-reopened-1.2912885 [www.cbc.ca]
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(Score: 2) by dry on Monday October 16 2017, @04:50AM (1 child)
Touche
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday October 16 2017, @05:16AM
I only know about it from watching this a couple of weeks ago:
https://www.netflix.com/title/80161702 [netflix.com]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7349602/episodes?season=1&ref_=tt_eps_sn_1 [imdb.com]
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @10:54PM
Iraqi "Terrorist" Caught In One Of The FBI's Own Terrorist Plots [googleusercontent.com] (orig, December 2013) [techdirt.com]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:11PM (6 children)
Stop arguing with yourself trying to pretend you aren't the same AC.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:24PM (5 children)
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all AC
See how they run like SJW's from a pun, see how they lie
I'm commenting
(Score: 2, Funny) by SpockLogic on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:46PM (4 children)
You can be a fucking walrus for all I care.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:08PM (2 children)
Thanks, and we'll all let you pretend to be Spock.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:28PM (1 child)
truly, the variety of anonymous cowards help improve the site.
but when they argue amongst themselves as themselves, it detracts from the similarities between the established conservative base we have here. just throwing in SJW doesn't make you fit in. you have to make sense when you do that, too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @09:28PM
Hmm, I'm still not happy about "SJW" as a term but I haven't found anything better. I use it myself to describe left-wing authoritarian followers, because LWA(f) isn't as recognizable as RWA(f).
Though, SJWs often tend to blur the line between left and right-wing. They're definitely authoritarian followers, but many of the tactics they use are straight out of the right-wing authoritarian follower handbook.
(I think we should also recognize that SJWs/LWAs/RWAs are all followers. I don't think it would be correct to describe somebody like Rush Limbaugh or Germaine Greer as one of those follower-types. Those are the right/left wing authoritarian leaders. See Altemeyer.)
(Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday October 15 2017, @10:39PM
The Beatles sucked. They can take a good musical idea with so much rockin' potential, such as Revolution, and twist it into some hokey spongey over-compressed pigsty-romp that sounds like two obese people fucking each other with the bellies slapping and the bed breaking while both of them are passing gas.
And don't even get me started on the "cats fucking" guitar solo.
Seriously, I fucking hate the Beatles. Hearing John Lennon even speak makes me want to punch him and Ringo is one ugly motherfucker.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:19PM (12 children)
A civilized society should be trying to encourage mentally ill people to find a comfortable place in society, rather than trying to ruin their existences just so that a bunch of authority figures can get their rocks off pretending to be useful.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:37PM (11 children)
So where is this "comfortable place" for individuals like Omar Mateen, Stephen Paddock or Harvey Weinstein? How can society best accommodate the anti-social? How do you propose making a schizophrenic "comfortable" without feeding their paranoid delusions? Why would you lump people who are dangerously unhinged in with people who suffer mild depression under the umbrella term "mentally ill"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:01PM
Uhm.... the South? Take your pick.
(Score: 3, Informative) by requerdanos on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:22PM (9 children)
You perhaps misunderstand.
The quote above does not indicate that there is a pre-made place for nutjobs and the attack-prone and we should be encouraging them to go there, perhaps paying their fare.
Rather, the idea is that instead of being jerks, and making their lives (and their mania) worse, we should instead rather be helpful and positive, encouraging them. In this case, encouraging them to find their place in society--a harmonious place, instead of an abrasive or destructive one.
This does not mean that they would all find the same physical place in society--it would get very crowded and that in itself might cause problems, especially for people who are already kind of misfits. I know these are complicated matters, but I genuinely believe that you can understand them if you try. Consider yourself encouraged.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:06PM (7 children)
You've quite obviously never dealt with individuals suffering severe mental health issues.
The first time you have to deal with a delusional, violent schizophrenic or malevolent cluster B disordered individual, the fall from that moral high-horse of yours will destroy you.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Grishnakh on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:27PM (5 children)
You've quite obviously never dealt with individuals suffering severe mental health issues.
To be fair, there is ample evidence that particular societies cause or exacerbate mental health issues. Long-term stress really does have a negative effect on people's mental health, and our society has a lot of this. This can be seen by comparing mental health problem rates between different societies; I'm sure you'll find that America has higher rates than many other industrialized nations. Japan probably does too.
The first time you have to deal with a delusional
These people are common these days in America, thanks to sites like infowars.com. We have a very large portion of the population that believes, for instance, that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the government and there's a vast conspiracy hiding this. As I said, living in this society can cause severe mental health issues. Another thing I've been told by an infowars fan is that Russia has a fleet of nuclear submarines off the East Coast, and they're preparing to detonate all their bombs in the water, causing a tsunami which will wipe out the entire east coast. Now remember, Steve Bannon, who's one of the key people in infowars.com, was one of Trump's right-hand men until recently, and is still affiliated with him, so this isn't just some fringe belief. A large portion of American voters believe this stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:53PM (2 children)
I'm sure you'll find that's not quite accurate [nih.gov]
No dude, Steve Bannon is the head of Breitfeed and Russia hacked the election by mind controlling Hillary Clinton (or whatever conspiracy CNN and friends are pushing this week).
(Score: 4, Informative) by jelizondo on Monday October 16 2017, @12:15AM (1 child)
Did you even look at the chart you posted?
In first place Colombia, where for the last 50 years there has been a civil war; 2nd place, Lebanon, external and internal war; 3rd Mexico, in the grip of violent drug cartels. Wow! Exactly what the parent was saying: long term high-stress affects mental healt.
Now compare the U.S. against Western Europe:
Jeez, indeed, the U.S. has a larger proportion of people with mental health issues when compared to a less stressful society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @01:58AM
Well, let's not forget that what became the USA got a bunch of religious nutballs that other places didn't want.
There was even a thing called "Transport", where they'd ship their criminals here. [google.com]
We got off to a rocky start.
...and that doesn't even count the lazy get-rich-quick bunch that showed up.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @08:00PM
Your choice of examples for paranoid conspiracies could really use some work. Flat earth / moon hoax is more fitting for a talk about mental health. The other two are unlikely yet totally feasible, and regardless such beliefs aren't necessarily a sign of mental illness just bad information filtering.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @12:07AM
You also are an obvious naive person. It is just a matter of doing it on your part. Go help some people yourself.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 16 2017, @12:28AM
Heck no. Here's a counter-example: dealing with Trump seems to be causing not fatal falls from the moral high-horse. For now...
Is this perhaps because he was actually "encouraged ... to find a comfortable place in society"?
(grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:12PM
I suspect you yourself are delusional. That would never work.
You would have to forbid them to go there, keep (poorly) the place secret, seed a few conspiracy stories about it, pass laws against it.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.