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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday October 15 2017, @04:46PM   Printer-friendly

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/michael-christopher-estes-asheville-airport-bomber-suspect/

A 46-year-old man is facing federal charges accusing him of leaving a jar filled with explosives at a North Carolina airport as part of a war he pledged to fight on U.S. soil.

Michael Christopher Estes was arrested October 7 and charged with attempted malicious use of explosive materials and unlawful possession of explosive materials in an airport, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Tuesday.

The improvised explosive device, or IED, was found inside a jar at the Asheville Regional Airport about 7 a.m. on October 6, the FBI said in the complaint. Bomb technicians from the Asheville Police Department rendered the device safe. The baggage claim and lobby area of the airport were evacuated and shut down for about 2 hours. No one was injured.

also at USA Today and The Independent


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:37PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @05:37PM (#582673)

    civilized society should be trying to encourage mentally ill people to find a comfortable place in society

    So where is this "comfortable place" for individuals like Omar Mateen, Stephen Paddock or Harvey Weinstein? How can society best accommodate the anti-social? How do you propose making a schizophrenic "comfortable" without feeding their paranoid delusions? Why would you lump people who are dangerously unhinged in with people who suffer mild depression under the umbrella term "mentally ill"?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:01PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:01PM (#582683)

    Uhm.... the South? Take your pick.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by requerdanos on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:22PM (9 children)

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 15 2017, @06:22PM (#582691) Journal

    civilized society should be trying to encourage mentally ill people to find a comfortable place in society

    So where is this "comfortable place" for individuals like Omar Mateen, Stephen Paddock or Harvey Weinstein?

    You perhaps misunderstand.

    The quote above does not indicate that there is a pre-made place for nutjobs and the attack-prone and we should be encouraging them to go there, perhaps paying their fare.

    Rather, the idea is that instead of being jerks, and making their lives (and their mania) worse, we should instead rather be helpful and positive, encouraging them. In this case, encouraging them to find their place in society--a harmonious place, instead of an abrasive or destructive one.

    This does not mean that they would all find the same physical place in society--it would get very crowded and that in itself might cause problems, especially for people who are already kind of misfits. I know these are complicated matters, but I genuinely believe that you can understand them if you try. Consider yourself encouraged.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:06PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:06PM (#582712)

      Rather, the idea is that instead of being jerks, and making their lives (and their mania) worse, we should instead rather be helpful and positive, encouraging them.

      You've quite obviously never dealt with individuals suffering severe mental health issues.

      I know these are complicated matters, but I genuinely believe that you can understand them if you try. Consider yourself encouraged.

      The first time you have to deal with a delusional, violent schizophrenic or malevolent cluster B disordered individual, the fall from that moral high-horse of yours will destroy you.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Grishnakh on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:27PM (5 children)

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:27PM (#582724)

        You've quite obviously never dealt with individuals suffering severe mental health issues.

        To be fair, there is ample evidence that particular societies cause or exacerbate mental health issues. Long-term stress really does have a negative effect on people's mental health, and our society has a lot of this. This can be seen by comparing mental health problem rates between different societies; I'm sure you'll find that America has higher rates than many other industrialized nations. Japan probably does too.

        The first time you have to deal with a delusional

        These people are common these days in America, thanks to sites like infowars.com. We have a very large portion of the population that believes, for instance, that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the government and there's a vast conspiracy hiding this. As I said, living in this society can cause severe mental health issues. Another thing I've been told by an infowars fan is that Russia has a fleet of nuclear submarines off the East Coast, and they're preparing to detonate all their bombs in the water, causing a tsunami which will wipe out the entire east coast. Now remember, Steve Bannon, who's one of the key people in infowars.com, was one of Trump's right-hand men until recently, and is still affiliated with him, so this isn't just some fringe belief. A large portion of American voters believe this stuff.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:53PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:53PM (#582743)

          I'm sure you'll find that America has higher rates than many other industrialized nations. Japan probably does too.

          I'm sure you'll find that's not quite accurate [nih.gov]

          These people are common these days in America, thanks to sites like infowars.com.

          Steve Bannon, who's one of the key people in infowars.com

          No dude, Steve Bannon is the head of Breitfeed and Russia hacked the election by mind controlling Hillary Clinton (or whatever conspiracy CNN and friends are pushing this week).

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by jelizondo on Monday October 16 2017, @12:15AM (1 child)

            by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 16 2017, @12:15AM (#582830) Journal

            Did you even look at the chart you posted?

            In first place Colombia, where for the last 50 years there has been a civil war; 2nd place, Lebanon, external and internal war; 3rd Mexico, in the grip of violent drug cartels. Wow! Exactly what the parent was saying: long term high-stress affects mental healt.

            Now compare the U.S. against Western Europe:

                                                 Cluster A% (s.e.)    Cluster B% (s.e.)    Cluster C% (s.e.)   Any personality disorder% (s.e.)
               USA                              4.0 (0.4)                 2.0 (0.3)                  4.2 (0.4)                 7.6b (0.5)
               Western Europe                   1.1 (0.6)                 0.4 (0.3)                 1.2 (0.5)                  2.4 (0.9)

            Jeez, indeed, the U.S. has a larger proportion of people with mental health issues when compared to a less stressful society.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @01:58AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @01:58AM (#582868)

              Well, let's not forget that what became the USA got a bunch of religious nutballs that other places didn't want.
              There was even a thing called "Transport", where they'd ship their criminals here. [google.com]

              We got off to a rocky start.
              ...and that doesn't even count the lazy get-rich-quick bunch that showed up.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @08:00PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15 2017, @08:00PM (#582744)

          Your choice of examples for paranoid conspiracies could really use some work. Flat earth / moon hoax is more fitting for a talk about mental health. The other two are unlikely yet totally feasible, and regardless such beliefs aren't necessarily a sign of mental illness just bad information filtering.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @12:07AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @12:07AM (#582826)

          You also are an obvious naive person. It is just a matter of doing it on your part. Go help some people yourself.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 16 2017, @12:28AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 16 2017, @12:28AM (#582839) Journal

        The first time you have to deal with a delusional, violent schizophrenic or malevolent cluster B disordered individual, the fall from that moral high-horse of yours will destroy you.

        Heck no. Here's a counter-example: dealing with Trump seems to be causing not fatal falls from the moral high-horse. For now...

        Is this perhaps because he was actually "encouraged ... to find a comfortable place in society"?

        (grin)

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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:12PM

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:12PM (#582716) Journal

      we should be encouraging them to go there, perhaps paying their fare.

      I suspect you yourself are delusional. That would never work.

      You would have to forbid them to go there, keep (poorly) the place secret, seed a few conspiracy stories about it, pass laws against it.

      --
      No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.