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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday October 15 2017, @04:46PM   Printer-friendly

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/michael-christopher-estes-asheville-airport-bomber-suspect/

A 46-year-old man is facing federal charges accusing him of leaving a jar filled with explosives at a North Carolina airport as part of a war he pledged to fight on U.S. soil.

Michael Christopher Estes was arrested October 7 and charged with attempted malicious use of explosive materials and unlawful possession of explosive materials in an airport, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Tuesday.

The improvised explosive device, or IED, was found inside a jar at the Asheville Regional Airport about 7 a.m. on October 6, the FBI said in the complaint. Bomb technicians from the Asheville Police Department rendered the device safe. The baggage claim and lobby area of the airport were evacuated and shut down for about 2 hours. No one was injured.

also at USA Today and The Independent


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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:45PM (6 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Sunday October 15 2017, @07:45PM (#582737) Journal
    Eh, not sure where you took that quote from but it's extremely short and out of context.

    "I don't identify as African-American, I identify as black,'' she told Savannah Guthrie on TODAY Monday. "I am part of the pan-African diaspora."

    "I definitely feel like, in America, even though race is a social construct … there’s still a line drawn in the sand, there still are sides, politically there’s a black side and a white side, and I stand unapologetically on the black side."

    “I do think a more complex label would be helpful, but we don’t really have that vocabulary,” Dolezal told The Guardian. “I feel like the idea of being trans-black would be much more accurate than ‘I’m white.’ Because, you know, I’m not white . . . Calling myself black feels more accurate than saying I’m white.”

    Given that race is a social construct, why is her blackness any less real than anyone elses?

    Perhaps it's because her social group has now rejected her, fair enough, but before that happened, when she was the respected head of the NAACP, wasn't it just as real then?

    If she's never identified as white and feels no affiliation for the label, who are we to stick it on her anyway?

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  • (Score: 2) by requerdanos on Sunday October 15 2017, @08:21PM (2 children)

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 15 2017, @08:21PM (#582752) Journal

    Eh, not sure where you took that quote from but it's extremely short and out of context.

    From the today.com article, quote, "she told Savannah that she did not make a distinction between supporting black causes and identifying as a black woman. " I don't think she has to speak longer or more eloquently to provide additional context; her statement stands on its own, and means that she is delusional. This is not a judgement; rather, I am simply recognizing something that is true whether I agree with it or not.

    Given that race is a social construct, why is her blackness any less real than anyone elses?

    The word "race" is pretty charged; the number of human "races" as determined by the ability to interbreed is "one". I am not sure how else you would define that word, except culturally.

    And culturally, a "purple" person, skin purplish in color, who never really hung out with purple people and usually hung out with the "mauves" with skin in the "mauve" color range, does not stop being the color of the one-eyed one-horned flying-purple people eater. Neither would such a person stop being born in the purple culture, to purple-culture parents, raised in a purple-culture environment. It's just not retroactive that way.

    Perhaps it's because her social group has now rejected her, fair enough, but before that happened, when she was the respected head of the NAACP, wasn't it just as real then?

    No, her "social group" is something that she, as a free and intelligent adult, gets to choose.

    But anyway, before, when she was a respected leader, she was still a born-of-purple-in-the-land-of-flying-purple-people-eater and raised-in-culture-of-purples who chose to adopt as her social group a different one of her choosing, and not one chosen by her culture.

    That is perfectly okay.

    Saying instead that it is one dictated by her culture, by her "race," and that it is not simply one of her choosing, is still a lie.

    Why do we have to lie to support her? I think it's okay that she choose socially whatever group she like, that she choose to adopt any culture that appeals to her, that is a good and healthy thing.

    To then lie about it, again, is not a good thing. The two don't go together, as she believes that they do. That's the problem.

    If she's never identified as white and feels no affiliation for the label, who are we to stick it on her anyway?

    She was born in a white* culture to white parents in a white culture and raised in a white culture, and choose freely and intelligently to align herself with a different, distinct cultural group that suits her better. That we recognize this fact does not mean we are "sticking on" a label, but rather means that we are cognizant of reality.

    I could buy a spacesuit and spaceship, move to mars, "identify as" a native martian, and deny that I am from earth. That would not make me a leader; rather, it would make me a liar. Not rocket science.
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    *use any better, more-descriptive term than the deceptive "white" that you want; but "black" "native american" "asian" "eastern european" are not going to be descriptive terms that fit there.

    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday October 15 2017, @09:04PM

      by Arik (4543) on Sunday October 15 2017, @09:04PM (#582763) Journal
      "I don't think she has to speak longer or more eloquently to provide additional context; her statement stands on its own, and means that she is delusional. This is not a judgement; rather, I am simply recognizing something that is true whether I agree with it or not."

      Whether it's delusional or not is not the point. The point of the context is to show that what she is saying is actually pretty consistent and based on what is commonly held to be true in the circles she moved in. They all agree that race is a social construct. You can disagree with that if you want but that probably isn't going to tell us anything about why her peers, who do NOT disagree with it, still rejected her.

      "The word "race" is pretty charged; the number of human "races" as determined by the ability to interbreed is "one". I am not sure how else you would define that word, except culturally."

      Again my point was not to expound my own understanding of the subject, but rather to ask why these people who profess to share HER understanding of the subject, nonetheless reject her person.

      Was she born with Original Sin?

      "...lie...lie...lie"

      It's not a lie if this is what they honestly believe.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 16 2017, @02:43AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 16 2017, @02:43AM (#582887) Journal

      her statement stands on its own, and means that she is delusional.

      Genetically, less delusional than the trans-sexuals, which we accept as non-delusional (many of us, at least).

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 16 2017, @12:34AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 16 2017, @12:34AM (#582843) Journal

    Do you know that the genetic distance between a man and a woman is higher that the genetical distance between a black and a white of the same sex?

    And still... we allow people to identify with whatever gender they want, right?

    So why not allow them identify with whatever race they think they belong?
    After all, "race reassignment therapy" should be much easier and less prone to medical risks (oops, there goes a business idea)

    (grin)

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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Monday October 16 2017, @01:20AM (1 child)

      by Arik (4543) on Monday October 16 2017, @01:20AM (#582860) Journal
      And she raised that same argument.

      There is no 'white' gene. There IS a males gene.

      If those with the male gene can 'identify' as female, and we take that seriously and treat them as female, then why on earth can't she simply 'identify' as black?

      So why not?
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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @02:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 16 2017, @02:16AM (#582871)

        To pick a nit, its a chromosome, [google.com] made up of a whole bunch of genes.

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