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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @07:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the stick-your-purchases-in-your-boot-for-you? dept.

In the minds of mobile shoppers, where is the line between convenience and personal space/privacy? We now have two retailers — Walmart and Amazon, the giants of in-store and online shopping, respectively — separately testing programs to deliver purchases directly into your home or your car trunk when the shopper is nowhere near.

Both efforts rely on mobile devices connecting shoppers to the scene of the delivery, where customers can theoretically watch the delivery in real time. It isn't practical or likely, but that's the idea. Mobile is what justifies these attempts.

Does the trunk of your car really make for a more secure delivery, or is it multiplying insecurities?


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by terryk30 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @02:09PM (22 children)

    by terryk30 (1753) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @02:09PM (#583951)

    Not laughing here, and no "not funny" mod, so daring to post.

    I'm a man, and have actually never found stuff like this funny. In the past (in meatspace) I would weakly smile, as conditioned to.

    Sure, I could simply "get it" as (quite) clever and dark humour, but it's overwhelmed by a visceral distaste for the dead hookers theme in itself.

    What's always bugged me about humour like this is it's... inevitability (esp. when in groups of guys) and the implication that it is of course funny, no matter how crass or disrespectful.

    To explicitly bring gender into it, do people joke like this in the presence of their (female) S.O's?

    Oh crap, am I now getting labelled an SJW?

    I'm not censoring anyone. But I'm not censoring myself either. I can't have been the only one weakly smiling all this time.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @03:23PM (17 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @03:23PM (#583973) Homepage Journal

    Okay, here's the thing... Getting offended over something someone is serious about is all fine and good but getting offended over something they absolutely do not mean and that was said in jest means you have serious mental issues.

    As to telling jokes like this, I absolutely tell them in front of any S.O. or even prospective S.O. It's better to find out if she's going through life looking to be offended early, so you don't end up wasting years of your life on someone who can suck the fun out of anything. I advise making a dead hooker joke, or the like, on the first date just to be safe.

    Seriously, if you have things that you absolutely cannot laugh about under any circumstances, seek help or you'll end up living a pretty miserable life.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @05:05PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @05:05PM (#584011)

      Gonna have to disagree with your absolutism. You make good points, having a sense of humor is important but that cuts both ways. Shock humor is "the thing" online, but it has gone beyond overboard. Not that I think your dead hooker joke was really that overboard, but it is important to realize when you are speaking to a larger audience and to adjust your behavior accordingly. No one is forcing you to self-censor, but getting offended by someone else being offended is the type of irony I've come to expect of you.

      The internet has normalized some of the worst horrors of humanity, and I think it is absolutely necessary for people like terryk30 to speak up and give some balance to the basement shut-in crowd. Every joke has its place, but shock humor is often used simply to be offensive which is a lead-in to put downs about being too sensitive.

      Again TMB I do not believe your joke was that big of a deal, or the full bore bullshit I'm describing above; except the complaining about complaining. That tickles me pink!

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @05:55PM (9 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @05:55PM (#584025) Homepage Journal

        I'm not offended by his being offended. Tone didn't convey well apparently. It genuinely matters (to some degree) to me that an otherwise personable guy (not a lot to go on, but he seems decent so far) not go through life being miserable when there's nothing to be gained by it. Being able to laugh at any joke that wasn't made maliciously is a trait I'd highly advise every human on the planet to cultivate.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @06:12PM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @06:12PM (#584032)

          Eh, not so much. Again you're applying absolutism. If someone has been tortured they probably won't find torture jokes very funny, the same for every fucked up joke ever. There are quite a few topics that most people will find distasteful, and honestly I am more concerned about people who can not draw a line. Those are usually the types that take the jokes overboard to the point where even some die hard shockers are saying "woah man, take it easy." Racist jokes are one good example, as a culture we've decided those are not OK and using racist jokes will not go well for anyone outside a klan meeting.

          Yes it is important to be able to laugh at most everything, but it is equally important to know the societal boundaries and when you should respect them. Again, this instance does not seem like a big deal, but it becomes easy to let shock culture take over and become "normal". It is not normal and such jokes should be carefully timed for a crowd that is likely to enjoy them. They should also have a good lead such as this story provided, but often I hear the worst shit spewed as some sort of one upmanship or for the pure shock value. Those are lame and offensive, and internet culture could do with a lot less of it.

          Personally I have found out that major events in one's life can drastically shift a personal perspective, and "it's just a joke brah" is not a good excuse for doing/saying fucked up shit. You need to learn more about compromise, currently you are almost always 100% certain of your own beliefs and unwilling to entertain even slight variations. Terry shared a viewpoint he/she knew was going to get flak and you absolutely shut it down. No discussion, just "you're wrong get a sense of humor".

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @07:23PM (5 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @07:23PM (#584070) Homepage Journal

            You should get out of Berkeley. As long as there's no malice behind the joke, there are absolutely zero taboo topics for humor to a healthy mind.

            "it's just a joke brah" is not a good excuse for doing/saying fucked up shit.

            Yes, it absolutely is. Intent is what matters. Only intent.

            Terry shared a viewpoint he/she knew was going to get flak and you absolutely shut it down.

            I didn't give him grief, just corrected him. That often happens when you're unquestionably wrong about something. As it absolutely should.

            tl;dr You're wrong, get a sense of humor.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:00PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:00PM (#584170)

              You lack some basic things in your brain. Probably a prefrontal cortex problem.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:32PM (3 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:32PM (#584201) Homepage Journal

                Yeah, it totally lacks is the inability to place emotion ahead of reason. I must be a Nazi. Back to your safe space now, grown-ups are talking.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:58PM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:58PM (#584256)

                  Now you know! [youtube.com]

                  It puts the omega-3s in its stomach or else it gets the hose again! I'm not sure what region of the brain is tied to delusion, they probably haven't worked that out just yet. If you're so concerned about people calling you a Nazi that you'll say to about yourself then maybe it is time for some introspection. Sorry to trigger you, it was nice to have a reasonable discussion for at least a little bit.

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:34AM (1 child)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:34AM (#584285) Homepage Journal

                    Don't kid yourself. You were never reasonable. Only what passes for it from the regressive left.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:31AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:31AM (#584354)

                      Heh, if I'm not reasonable you're a downright nazi :P since we're going down the ad-hominem path.

        • (Score: 2) by terryk30 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:33PM (1 child)

          by terryk30 (1753) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:33PM (#584202)

          I'm not miserable. I did recently tell a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses that they scare me more than Trump and Kim Jong-un.

    • (Score: 2) by terryk30 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:36PM (5 children)

      by terryk30 (1753) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:36PM (#584145)

      Of course I know you didn't "mean it", in the sense I doubt you kill people and put them in your trunk, nor would think it funny in any actual case.

      It's not about whether I was "offended" or not. I'm glad the AC jumped in below because among other points they used a word that provides a possible nuance: I believe jokes like these are "distasteful" - yes, in the implied arguably-universal it's-not-that-I-have-a-problem sense.

      Yeah, I'm tapping against the thick part of gender, gamergate, Milo, Trump, PC-ness, and what flies around here at SN; to make a really long story short I believe there is something to be concerned with. I've witnessed some - how shall I say, serious disconnect when it comes to a not insignificant few men relating to women in an unhealthy way, and jokes like these were often part of the scene.

      So not saying that this means you're relating to women in an unhealthy way, but again (going where the AC does below), jokes like these may be over a line in that in their simmering totality - as part of a traditional guy-talk currency - they may be, um, normalizing (oops, SJW term) and thus possibly, subtly, encouraging the unhealthy stuff.

      As to reacting here to this particular joke, well, it being such a classic example is what got me to, this time, simply "give notice" that one person at least didn't find it funny.

      Hey, it comes down to what kind of world I want, right? ;-)

      • (Score: 2) by terryk30 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:40PM (1 child)

        by terryk30 (1753) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:40PM (#584150)

        (oops, instead of the AC below I meant the AC above)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:06PM (#584177)

          I appreciate you deciding to say something.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:27PM (2 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:27PM (#584197) Homepage Journal

        Gotcha. My perspective on it is if someone's intentionally being a douchebag while telling a joke, that's just them being a douchebag and I have no problem giving them grief over being such. The exact same joke could be quite funny told without malice though. So, it's really not about the joke but the intent.

        In this universe you'll not find a single particle or wave of offense. It does not exist in and of itself. A person has to affirmatively decide to allow themselves to be offended by something or they won't be. Thus, it's my position that being offended by a joke that was not intended to offend is a flaw in the listener rather than the speaker and that the listener would live a happier life if they worked to rid themselves of that flaw.

        Me, I take great pride in my ability to deliver humor well in person. I can tell a second-wave feminist the old "What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?" joke and I may get punched in the arm but she'll be laughing while she does it because she knows I'm just winding her up by the shit-eating grin on my face. I wouldn't bother telling it to a third-wave feminist though. I could still get a laugh, mind you, but I don't like being around hateful people.

        Racist jokes are some of my favorites. Tell me a wagon-burning Indian joke and I'll laugh harder than anyone. I could choose to be all offended, sure, but if not being offended and getting a laugh brightens my day, what does being offended gain me? Seriously, consider it for a minute or two. If you can choose to be offended or not, what benefit to your life does being offended bring?

        Now if you just don't find a joke especially funny, that's another matter entirely. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:07AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:07AM (#584262)

          This is the problem right here, you're taking the whole thing WAY too personally when it is clearly about a larger net trend. That was your decision to get all butt hurt about it, but instead of seeing a cultural issue that hits very close to home for all of us on the net you doubled down on your personal world view. I don't think anyone would mistake you for an actual fascist, or say you're an irredeemable misogynist (cept azuma maybe), but you're applying your personal viewpoint on to a larger problem and it simply doesn't fit. I went out of my way to point out that your joke wasn't a big deal (to me anyway) but you just couldn't handle the discussion. There is a real problem with online culture that has very real effects. Perhaps you are able to compartmentalize horrible topics away from your general personality, but there are plenty of young people online who hear adults say shit and they assume it is normal. You can see the same thing in the "SJW" crowd you hate so much, they circle jerk themselves into hating anything that even resembles oppression to the point where they are the oppressors! I guess you'll never believe me when I tell you that you're very similar types, though I'd put you on the lower end of crazy.

  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @03:25PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @03:25PM (#583976) Homepage Journal

    And, yes, I modded you Interesting. They were reasonable questions put forth in a civil manner and did not deserve to be shot down as Flamebait.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @07:27PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @07:27PM (#584073)

    It's a litmus test, and you failed.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:03PM (#584174)

      Says the beta cuck living in their parents outhouse. Grow up.

  • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:28PM

    by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:28PM (#584198)

    With more information [cnn.com] coming to light on this economy, does that make the meme less funny for more people? Or maybe Amazon guarantees they're sustainably farmed. I give up.