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posted by takyon on Friday October 27 2017, @11:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the freedonia dept.

This afternoon, Catalonia declared independence. At the same time, Spain invoked article 155, to strip Catalonia from its governing powers putting it under direct rule from the federal government. A vote for independence was raised in Catalonian parliament, with part of parliament leaving before the vote on independence started. The motion declaring independence was approved with 70 in favor, 10 against, and two abstentions of the normal 135 total.

From RT: https://www.rt.com/news/407956-catalan-parliament-votes-independence/
From Aljazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/catalan-parliament-begins-vote-independence-171027115908493.html
From BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116

It will be interesting to see how things unfold. In my opinion, Madrid using violence to stop a referendum gave it the legality they later claim the referendum didn't have. The lack of dialogue paved the way into the only possible outcome, Catalonia declaring independence and Madrid denying it. Whatever happens next, I hope will be peaceful. As to how the EU reacts, I'm hoping they ask for an official referendum, and whatever the outcome, pledges that both Catalonia and Spain will be able to remain in the EU if they desire. That may release tensions a bit.


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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday October 27 2017, @11:49PM (24 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday October 27 2017, @11:49PM (#588468) Homepage

    Why would anybody want to join the EU only to be maimed and raped by Islamic savages?

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @12:21AM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @12:21AM (#588472)

    More stupidity from you. Stop that!

    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 28 2017, @12:33AM (18 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday October 28 2017, @12:33AM (#588476) Homepage

      I think you're the guy from Slashdot who accused me of being racist for posting the lyrics to Frank Zappa's You are what you is when discussing then-president Barack Obama*. You must have been horrified to bail from there only to find me here.

      AKA Baraq Hussein Soetoro, Indonesian Citizen, CIA plant, fifth-columnist, and propagator of radical Islam

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:04AM (6 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:04AM (#588490) Journal

        Everyone is horrified and appalled to find you anywhere, Eth. Enjoy being raped by the Muslin sedges!

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday October 28 2017, @08:02AM (5 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday October 28 2017, @08:02AM (#588605) Journal

          Such interesting mods on this comment, that I am compelled to comment on the mods!

          First, welcome! You are all Soylentils tried and true, else mod points not you would have!

          Second: What the F**** are some of you doing? Does anyone disagree with the veracity of the post? No? (Well, of course not, it is Ethanol_fueled, after all.) So you should not have downmodded a downmod on the Ethanol_fueled, because, well, true???

          Third: Doubtless Eth read this as "California Declared Independence", which would put him in a world of hurt, since San Fran rules would apply! C'mon, Eth! Show us you alter-ego, trans-sexual self! We can deal with it!

          Fourth: If you downmod, The Mightty Buzzardiness might just tattle on you, as he as on me! Nothing is actually anonymous on SoylentNews, especially the anonymous stuff. Did you not see what happened to the aristarchus? Spam modded! Down modded! TMB modded! And why, all because aristarchus is not Ethanol_fueled. That is the only reason I can see. The only reason any rational member of SoylentNews can see. So it must be, SoylentNews is anti-semitic, and thus along the TMB lines, Nazi sympathizing. See how easy it was to connect the dots! You are probably a Nazi! Someone will be along shortly to punch you in the face, no charge!

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 29 2017, @03:17AM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29 2017, @03:17AM (#588900) Journal

            You just don't learn. Trolling is trolling. Flapping your gums to call people names is trolling. At this point in time you are either the foremost, or the second leading troll on Soylent. It's a pretty close race, really, but you seem to choose to troll more people than the other contender for first place. What is it about trolling that you fail to understand? It's really pretty simple. When you have a valid point to make, make it. Making a post just to mock, or denigrate a fellow Soylentil is trolling. So, you are both the number one (or two) troll, as well as the number one mod bomber. Aren't you proud of yourself? It's not just anybody who can intentionally alienate more than half of a population, then try to act like the victim. Are you kin to Adolph Hitler? You do realize that Hitler was just trying to protect his people, right? He was the victim all along.

            I can't help wondering if you have ANY friends.

            Ya know - it's almost like you have an addiction. I keep your profile page open, and check on it from time to time because I enjoy troll modding you. You'll go for a few days, posting stuff that really isn't troll material, and I am disappointed. I can't mod you down, if you don't post troll shit. Then, you do some binge trolling, and I can hit you with max troll mods for two or three days in a row.

            Once again - if you value your karma as much as you claim to value it, then just stop trolling.

            Do I think that Eth is an admirable person? No - not really. Eth is a pretty smart person, and he is often insightful. But, Eth has some ideas that I find deplorable. I don't admire the man - but I don't spend my time here trolling him over those ideas that I dislike.

            You? I suspect that your next incarnation will be as a trolling motor on some redneck's fishing rig. Karma, man. Karma. Imagine all that cheap rotgut booze being spilled all over your stained cowling, while trying to push a boat full of lard assed redneck into a good fishing zone.

            • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Sunday October 29 2017, @06:06AM (3 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 29 2017, @06:06AM (#588948) Journal

              Runaway, you could just admit that you have no idea where Catalonia is. It would be better than all this fluster trying to cover up your basic American ignorance. And once again, I am quite sure that all Soylentils are quite happy that once again you have shared your opinion on something, since your opinion is, well, your opinion, and we are not at all sure why it should interest anyone else, but evidently you think that what you think is somehow important in the larger scheme of things.

                  So, what about those JFK papers? And what about the Huckabee being the only woman Trump has not sexually harassed, so she says all the others are lies? And what about those CERN scientists and the fact that the universe should not exist? Runaway! You are wasting your time ragging on me! Get out there and enlighten the world about what your average over-the-hill redneck hillbilly ex-trucker Arkansawan thinks about the issues of the day!!! Kardashian pregnancies?

              • (Score: 2, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 29 2017, @09:50AM (2 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29 2017, @09:50AM (#588977) Journal

                There are none so blind as he who will not see. Stop trolling, and you can stop the down mods. And, no, contructive criticism is not trolling - but I guess you got your jollies by downmodding that post.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday October 29 2017, @11:21AM (1 child)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 29 2017, @11:21AM (#589001) Journal

                  Stop taking the bait, you complete and utter moron! My god, Runaway! You have such thin skin, for such a tough dude! Or is it that you cannot understand what is going on here? You are allying yourself with enemies of the United States of America! You are a traitor, man! Time to step back, to realize that political correctness is what we used to call "manners", and that racism is endemic in the American South. These two things would be steps in the right direction. Oh, and Eth? You may not realize that I am Jewish. Talk like his killed my relatives in Germany. I have no tolerance for it. And if you defend his anti-semitism, well, you should beware of Jew-Bears, too. And Drop-bears. And Gummi-bears and probably armed bears. You bear-hater, you.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:14AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:14AM (#588492)

        I'm pretty sure you don't do much thinking at all. You're proudly the stupidest person on this site and that kind of stupidity needs to be called out.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Geotti on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:25AM (7 children)

          by Geotti (1146) on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:25AM (#588496) Journal

          Disagree. Ethanol clearly isn't stupid, he just has a different preconception than most users here. And I must say that even though most of the time I'm appalled by his trolling or racism, sometimes he posts rather refreshing comments. So please, if you must criticize him, do so properly and not by calling him names. You can also use the moderation function...

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Saturday October 28 2017, @03:26AM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday October 28 2017, @03:26AM (#588545) Journal

            He's not stupid. He can shine if he wants to. He trolls intentionally. It's too bad. The world would be better with his authentic wit than the dull caricature he constructs.

            --
            Washington DC delenda est.
          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @08:20AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @08:20AM (#588611)

            Disagree. Ethanol clearly isn't stupid, he just has a different preconception than most users here.

            Oh, so that is what the kids these days are calling it! "Differentially preconceptioned!" Sound so much better than "racist retard", or "bassackward plenury of idiocy". All those still apply, of course. My point is, it is not so clear the Eth is not just plain and simple stupid, racist and only has a job because, like John McCain, he has relatives in high places that afford him the luxury of being a troll on the internets. Mostly, however, if any of us were to meat Eth in the face (opps, typo), we would have to punch him in the face, at least. Fucking Nazi!

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 29 2017, @03:21AM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29 2017, @03:21AM (#588904) Journal

              Your assumption that Eth is stupid only cripples you. From a military perspective, one should never underestimate the enemy. And, listen to you - just because you disagree with a man's positions, you assume that he is stupid.

              An impartial observier might conclude that Eth is smarter than you are.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29 2017, @06:54AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29 2017, @06:54AM (#588961)

                Eth is not an enemy. He is an idiot. I expect a certain level of competence in my enemies. This is why I also loves me some Runaway! Too stupid to be a threat! Battle of wits with an unarmed opponent!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29 2017, @08:53AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29 2017, @08:53AM (#588967)

              like John McCain, he has relatives in high places that afford him the luxury of being a troll on the internets

              You are comparing an internet troll like Ethanol, to someone that has spend quite a few years of his life trying to serve his country? Really?

              John McCain is one of the few honourable members of Senate. He actually stands by his principles and his values. Comparing him to Ethanol is really fucked up.

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday October 29 2017, @04:23PM

                by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday October 29 2017, @04:23PM (#589081) Homepage

                John McCain is a senile old traitor who, without his family connections, would be rotting in Leavenworth for high treason.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @03:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @03:38PM (#588698)

            At best he is amusing for the first few times. Amusing in a "monkey throwing shit" type of way. After the first few posts he is stupid all the way.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:25AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:25AM (#588495)

        Baraq Hussein Soetoro, Indonesian Citizen, CIA plant, fifth-columnist, and propagator of radical Islam

        Haha! His true name [wikipedia.org] keeps getting better!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @10:49AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @10:49AM (#588629)

          I thought his name was Baroque and that EF was off somewhere studying Eunuchs.

  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by GDX on Saturday October 28 2017, @06:02AM (2 children)

    by GDX (1950) on Saturday October 28 2017, @06:02AM (#588590)

    Being Catalonia the part of Spain with most muslins outside Ceuta an Melilla and Islamic radicals, the rapes are going to be the national sport if the secession give fruit.

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by turgid on Sunday October 29 2017, @02:50PM

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29 2017, @02:50PM (#589043) Journal

    Why would anyone want to live in the USA, to be bled dry and worked to death to make the super-rich even richer? Or shot by a lunatic spraying random people with bullets because it's his Constitutional right?