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posted by Fnord666 on Monday October 30 2017, @08:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the lights-out dept.

Researchers have pinpointed the date of what could be the oldest solar eclipse yet recorded. The event, which occurred on 30 October 1207 BC, is mentioned in the Bible, and could have consequences for the chronology of the ancient world.

Using a combination of the biblical text and an ancient Egyptian text, the researchers were then able to refine the dates of the Egyptian pharaohs, in particular the dates of the reign of Ramesses the Great. The results are published in the Royal Astronomical Society journal Astronomy & Geophysics.

The biblical text in question comes from the Old Testament book of Joshua and has puzzled biblical scholars for centuries. It records that after Joshua led the people of Israel into Canaan -- a region of the ancient Near East that covered modern-day Israel and Palestine -- he prayed: "Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon. And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies."

"If these words are describing a real observation, then a major astronomical event was taking place -- the question for us to figure out is what the text actually means," said paper co-author Professor Sir Colin Humphreys from the University of Cambridge's Department of Materials Science & Metallurgy, who is also interested in relating scientific knowledge to the Bible.

Colin Humphreys and Graeme Waddington. 'Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date pharaohs.' Astronomy & Geophysics (2017). DOI: 10.1093/astrogeo/atx178.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30 2017, @10:14PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30 2017, @10:14PM (#589726)

    Go read the excellent literature that has been written on the topic of a lost civilization.

    You're not bringing any new questions to the topic.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by khallow on Monday October 30 2017, @11:22PM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 30 2017, @11:22PM (#589753) Journal

    You're not bringing any new questions to the topic.

    And I can't help but notice that you aren't bringing any answers, old or new.

    • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30 2017, @11:24PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30 2017, @11:24PM (#589755)

      There are lots of books at your disposal. Now, fuck off, you ignorant fool

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30 2017, @11:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30 2017, @11:27PM (#589756)

        Me likey the holey bibble

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Tuesday October 31 2017, @12:05AM (1 child)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 31 2017, @12:05AM (#589773) Journal
        You do realize that name-calling isn't an answer, right? If you can't present actual evidence or a coherent description, then you don't have a science-based argument. At that point, I might as well be listening to monkeys.

        Here, it's vague talk of some ancient globe-spanning culture with absolutely no evidence to back it up - not a location, not a people, not a necessary technology, and not a time. Then there's vague talk of global flooding because there are these myths. While there are supposed to be some modest excitement along these lines (like the emptying of huge glacial lakes that might cause at most a 10 foot rise in sea level over a number of days), it's simply more likely that everyone has over the top flood stories because everyone experiences floods and likes to tell over the top stories.

        Reading "books" isn't going to help when the evidence just isn't there to start with.
        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 31 2017, @01:05AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 31 2017, @01:05AM (#589805)

          Just sayin'.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 31 2017, @04:35AM (2 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 31 2017, @04:35AM (#589863) Journal

    Alright - but which literature do you suggest? Let's take "The Chariots of the Gods" for example. Do you consider that book to be credible? I guess it's over forty years since I've read that - long before the internet was a thing. I read it with an open mind, but some of the author's stuff gets pretty far out there. For me, that particular book did little more than offer food for thought.

    One of my favorite gimmicks in those kind of books, is to show an heiroglyph that kinda resembles an astronaut, then declare that the ancients either had space travel, or that they were guided by aliens. Except - the heiroglyphs also resembled a man in armor.

    A lot of the stuff they offer has to be taken with a grain of salt, or even on faith. If you've got that much faith, then maybe you can become a Scientologist.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday October 31 2017, @05:46AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday October 31 2017, @05:46AM (#589874) Journal

      Future archaeologists will look at our civilization and determine we worshiped poop: 💩✞. [wikipedia.org]

      The ancient alien theories are interesting because aside from the prospect of finding a Stargate, past (or any, really) alien visitation would mean that aliens probably have faster-than-light travel and could be waiting for us to join the galactic club with open arms (since they haven't wiped us out).

      If ancient aliens are bunk and all UFO sightings can be explained by terrestrial phenomena, then it makes it even more unlikely that we will break the speed of light barrier. Which means that interstellar travel and moving up the Kardashev scale is always going to be a slow and arduous process. Although at least we have a number of fine rocks within 1,000 AU/0.0158125 ly.

      Conversely, if we manage to make something like the Alcubierre drive work, then we can wonder why we haven't been visited by at least unmanned alien probes. Or if we are and we just didn't notice.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 31 2017, @10:35AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 31 2017, @10:35AM (#589955) Journal

        I had my patented answer, and went to my Kindle online to check Cixin Liu's name for spelling. Hmmmm - I don't see his 'Three Body Problem' in my reading list. Something fishy that I need to check out . . .

        Anyway, Liu says that the dark forest theory applies. Everyone grew up alone, everyone had to kill of be killed while they evolved, so no one knows any better than to attack when they face the unknown. There are the quick, and the dead out there. If there have been aliens here, in our far distant past, they were probably shipwrecked and dying. Like a bunch of idiots, we thought they were gods, and wanted to worship them. But - they died, so that was that.

        That's ONE possible explanation, anyway.